Because Tal-Vashoth are those who explicitly take up arms and fight against the Qun. It would be like a warden romancing a darkspawn, Though conceivably a Qunari might "romance" a Vashoth (someone who peacefully leaves the Qun or was never part of it to begin with).
Right but why can't it be like Sten where he was on a mission for the Qun instead of running from it? Why can't your Inquisitor just be a Qunari warrior or priest?
Why would they include Tal-Vashoth, necessarily?
I mean that IQ "Qunari" is actually a Tal-Vashoth.
I mean that IQ "Qunari" is actually a Tal-Vashoth.
Actually, the Qunari PC is a Vashoth. To be a Tal-Vashoth, you have to have been a part of the Qun and left it. The Qunari PC was never in the Qun at all. His/her parents would be Tal-Vashoth for leaving the Qun, but not the Qunari PC.
Those that were born Vashoth can join the Qun if they wish.
Was he? I thought he was just fond of learning about it and his father was worried that everyone would think he was handing himself over to the Qun.
Yeah, I wasn't sure either (it's been a while) and went to check the wiki. This is what wiki says:
In 9:34 Dragon, Saemus elects to convert to the Qun, and Hawke is asked by Viscount Dumar to convince him to return home.
Right but why can't it be like Sten where he was on a mission for the Qun instead of running from it? Why can't your Inquisitor just be a Qunari warrior or priest?
Because it's already been done? And technically Bull is on a mission from the Qun. He tells you straight up he was sent to spy for them. Also, if your Inq was a true Qunari, then why would they be at the conclave to begin with? That's why you had to be a Vashoth. If you talk talk to Bull about Tal-Vashoth, you can hear the disdain and hate in his voice regarding them. And after you complete his mission...well, he is not too happy with one of the outcomes. At least not entirely at first.
Actually, the Qunari PC is a Vashoth. To be a Tal-Vashoth, you have to have been a part of the Qun and left it. The Qunari PC was never in the Qun at all. His/her parents would be Tal-Vashoth for leaving the Qun, but not the Qunari PC.
Those that were born Vashoth can join the Qun if they wish.
Not what the blurb says when you create the character. It says Tal-Vashoth:
Pretty much this. They also don't really mingle with other cultures, they don't understand these cultures, they don't want to understand them. It's "my way or highway". Which make sense because it's the only way indoctrination can be sustained. Bull is already questioning things that's why he is perfect for the job.
Seamus was ready to convert to Qun, that's entirely different situation.
Ben Hassrath like Iron Bull can't be like that because otherwise they wouldn't be able to do their job. When they are acting as spies in foreign lands, they will need to understand the ways of the country they are in, possibly have to act like a Tal'Vashoth.
The Arishok didn't want to understand the people of Kirkwall but there are 2 other leaders of the Qunari with different motivations than the Arishok.
That is the thing about the Qun, you can't understand it all by looking at one group of people like their Warriors, it would be like trying to understand a human by looking at their arms.
It means that YOU don't. There are people who just hook up with people based on looks, so essentially they are judging for sexual (not romantic) criteria. Would you do away with hookup sites on the net or tell the people who use them they're shallow and shouldn't judge people on looks?
I don't feel like that's my job. My opinion is my opinion. I don't expect others to be me.
As far as you thinking the Iron Bull is attractive that's 100% awesome. Glad you got what you wanted. I think Dorian is a gay KISA, SandalistheMaker does not. We disagree on that definition so he still hasn't gotten what he wanted and neither have I.
That's the beauty of forums. I can also choose to be shallow about the characters on my team because they aren't real people, their feelings won't get hurt, etc. you can care about them and take up for the Iron Bull look-wise.
I'm not saying people can't judge people based on their looks if they don't want too.
What I'm saying is that this is a forum, the purpose of forums is to discuss, debate and give feedback and since you can't debate or discuss a persons looks, it makes for a very boring conversation.
Not what the blurb says when you create the character. It says Tal-Vashoth:
Hmm, I could have sworn that the player was considered Vashoth, not Tal-Vashoth. I could be confusing rumors from pre-release. Thanks for clearing that up. I think I need more coffee.
Not what the blurb says when you create the character. It says Tal-Vashoth:
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The blurb is wrong. Bull tells you you're Vashoth, and then there's a codex entry about it. When he goes on his tirade about Tal-Vashoth (and alluding to the fan theory that the Qun is more of a behavior check on a species than an actual philosophy due to other hints in the game), Adaar can say something about how their parents just ran away, and never fought anyone. To which Bull responds, "Well those are the ones I have no problem with." Or something like that.
Ben Hassrath like Iron Bull can't be like that because otherwise they wouldn't be able to do their job. When they are acting as spies in foreign lands, they will need to understand the ways of the country they are in, possibly have to act like a Tal'Vashoth.
The keyword here is "act", while Ben Hassrath are less rigid a true Ben Hassrath would be highly manipulative and would not engage in romance with outside (or generally romance) for "twue love" mainly because "Qun is above all else"
The blurb is wrong. Bull tells you you're Vashoth, and then there's a codex entry about it. When he goes on his tirade about Tal-Vashoth (and alluding to the fan theory that the Qun is more of a behavior check on a species than an actual philosophy due to other hints in the game), Adaar can say something about how their parents just ran away, and never fought anyone. To which Bull responds, "Well those are the ones I have no problem with." Or something like that.
I see....I would say that it might be just how Bull is viewing things, but I don't really want to go into this,because it's a gross speculation. At any rate IQ would need to either convert and/or be content with being a friend with benefits, from what it seems.
The keyword here is "act", while Ben Hassrath are less rigid a true Ben Hassrath would be highly manipulative and would not engage in romance with outside (or generally romance) for "twue love" mainly because "Qun is above all else"
what is a true Ben Hassrath? - so far we've met two, Iron Bull & Tallis both of whom found people outside of the Qun attractive.
Who are you comparing Iron Bull too, to determine what a 'true' Ben Hassrath is like?
I see....I would say that it might be just how Bull is viewing things, but I don't really want to go into this,because it's a gross speculation. At any rate IQ would need to either convert and/or be content with being a friend with benefits, from what it seems.
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No, it's not just Bull
Because it's already been done? And technically Bull is on a mission from the Qun. He tells you straight up he was sent to spy for them. Also, if your Inq was a true Qunari, then why would they be at the conclave to begin with? That's why you had to be a Vashoth. If you talk talk to Bull about Tal-Vashoth, you can hear the disdain and hate in his voice regarding them. And after you complete his mission...well, he is not too happy with one of the outcomes. At least not entirely at first.
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Right (Iron Bull) but I was responding to someone who said that there is no Qunari romance because they'd have to be Tal-Vashoth.
Regarding why at the Conclave--if they were sent by the Qun as a diplomat, emissary, etc. then they are their legitimately like Sten was to figure out what was going on with the Blight.
Right (Iron Bull) but I was responding to someone who said that there is no Qunari romance because they'd have to be Tal-Vashoth.
Regarding why at the Conclave--if they were sent by the Qun as a diplomat, emissary, etc. then they are their legitimately like Sten was to figure out what was going on with the Blight.
But the Conclave had nothing to do with the Qunari. They weren't involved in the Mage/Templar war before, so why then? Remember they only got involved after the Breach was created.
I mean Bull viewing IQ as Vashoth because IQ parents run, or at least that's what i got from your description as I never played as Qunari. As I said I'm speculating.
what is a true Ben Hassrath? - so far we've met two, Iron Bull & Tallis both of whom found people outside of the Qun attractive.
Who are you comparing Iron Bull too, to determine what a 'true' Ben Hassrath is like?
The one that will put the Qun above all else in the end.
The one that will put the Qun above all else in the end.
but do Ben Hassrath do that? As I said we've only interacted with 2 Ben Hassrath, Tallis could be said to be doing that, but she also defied her leaders decision to just let the list of names be leaked.
All we know about the Ben Hassrath is what we've learnt from Tallis & Iron Bull and neither have acted in a manor that you think they should.
Ben Hassrath like Iron Bull can't be like that because otherwise they wouldn't be able to do their job. When they are acting as spies in foreign lands, they will need to understand the ways of the country they are in, possibly have to act like a Tal'Vashoth.
The Arishok didn't want to understand the people of Kirkwall but there are 2 other leaders of the Qunari with different motivations than the Arishok.
That is the thing about the Qun, you can't understand it all by looking at one group of people like their Warriors, it would be like trying to understand a human by looking at their arms.
I'm not saying people can't judge people based on their looks if they don't want too.
What I'm saying is that this is a forum, the purpose of forums is to discuss, debate and give feedback and since you can't debate or discuss a persons looks, it makes for a very boring conversation.
We spent 40 minutes the other night debating who was the hottest guy in Game of Thrones on this forum, so yes, it can be done and everyone had a good time with it.
Personality traits are also subjective. Some people love humorous people, others like serious people...all human traits can be considered subjective in terms of desirability.
Besides its difficult to debate anyone's character on what (with all cut scenes included) is only hours of dialogue. No one in real life can be summed up on what would end up being the equivalent of a single night's date time wise.
I mean Bull viewing IQ as Vashoth because IQ parents run, or at least that's what i got from your description as I never played as Qunari. As I said I'm speculating.
The one that will put the Qun above all else in the end.
Oh ok then. Well, you are Vashoth. You never knew the Qun. You can slightly suggest that you wish you could have, but no, your Adaar is not a Qunari in terms of the philosophy.
But the Conclave had nothing to do with the Qunari. They weren't involved in the Mage/Templar war before, so why then? Remember they only got involved after the Breach was created.
I'm saying IF I know in this game they are not. I'm saying going forward you could theorize that IF x happened the Qunari could do y.
I really don't care if they're going to make another Qunari look like IB anyway. I don't like small heads on my romantic/sexual partner.
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I'm actually disappointed in the romances in general
probably because it doesn't feel like a a real romance its one sided
the inquisitor ALWAYS has to make the move and flirt with the LI for a long time
then suddenly there is a decision and the LI suddenly loves the Inquisitor? there was no attraction at all
Also they feel cliche (Cassandra's poem stuff, Josephine's "duel") and not natural at all
I remember reading something like "the romances will be more mature this time"
if this is mature...then lol
I'm saying IF I know in this game they are not. I'm saying going forward you could theorize that IF x happened the Qunari could do y.
I really don't care if they're going to make another Qunari look like IB anyway. I don't like small heads on my romantic/sexual partner.
The only interaction that the Qunari as a whole have with Thedas is a militaristic antagonistic one. They only got involved with the Inquisition because rifts were opening up everywhere, and thus this was a bigger issue than them conquering the world. Don't misjudge, I'm not saying I don't want more Qunari (because I do) I just think that if companions/protagonists are going to be Qunari, they need to be more integrated into the story and in the game in general.
but do Ben Hassrath do that? As I said we've only interacted with 2 Ben Hassrath, Tallis could be said to be doing that, but she also defied her leaders decision to just let the list of names be leaked.
All we know about the Ben Hassrath is what we've learnt from Tallis & Iron Bull and neither have acted in a manor that you think they should.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they have to, if nothing else those who send them spying would want them to be the most loyal, so I imagine that if a Ben Hassrath strays too much and outside of spying needs, they get "reprogrammed".
The only interaction that the Qunari as a whole have with Thedas is a militaristic antagonistic one. They only got involved with the Inquisition because rifts were opening up everywhere, and thus this was a bigger issue than them conquering the world. Don't misjudge, I'm not saying I don't want more Qunari (because I do) I just think that if companions/protagonists are going to be Qunari, they need to be more integrated into the story and in the game in general.
Right but whose to say all of our alignments have to be "good"? The Qunari character in the next game could be antagonistic.
I'm actually disappointed in the romances in general
probably because it doesn't feel like a a real romance too one sided
the inquisitor ALWAYS has to make the move and flirt with the LI for a long time
then suddenly there is a decision and the LI suddenly loves the Inquisitor? there was no attraction at all
Also they feel cliche (Cassandra's poem stuff, Josephine's "duel") and not natural at all
I remember reading something like "the romances will be more mature this time"
if this is mature...then lol
I've only played through Bull's, but his felt pretty natural. He straight up tells you that he's DtF, and you can do that. It's on your character to want to take it to the next level (by asking how do Qunari truly show affection for one another, which I guess could be seen as going against lore).
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