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[TheNightSlasher]

I don't know how fair it is to blame the current Quarians for the utter fuckup their ancestors pulled with the Morning War. Because of that they had to live as nomadic outcasts who are stuck in their suits for all their life, I can understand that they are bitter and prejudiced now.

Yes, it was their ancestors fault. But even the present generation of quarians just blame the geth without acknowledging the fact that it was they who brought all this upon themselves.

 

Correct me if I am wrong (I haven't played SP in a long time) but I don't think a single quarian admits that they were responsible for this war. They just blame it on the Geth like it was all their fault. 

 

Take Mordin, for example. He admits that what salarians did to female krogans was wrong. In fact, he sacrifices himself to cure the genophage.

 

If a quarian similarly admitted that, I wouldn't have so much hatred for them. Instead, they just go after Geth everywhere trying to kill them.

[Creator Limbs]

Yes, it was their ancestors fault. But even the present generation of quarians just blame the geth without acknowledging the fact that it was they who brought all this upon themselves.

 

Correct me if I am wrong (I haven't played SP in a long time) but I don't think a single quarian admits that they were responsible for this war. They just blame it on the Geth like it was all their fault. 

 

Take Mordin, for example. He admits that what salarians did to female krogans was wrong. In fact, he sacrifices himself to cure the genophage. If a quarian atleast acknowledged that, I wouldn't have so much hatred for them. 

 

Thanks for stepping where I'm refusing to dude.

[Erik the Quarian 3.0]

Yes, it was their ancestors fault. But even the present generation of quarians just blame the geth without acknowledging the fact that it was they who brought all this upon themselves.

 

Correct me if I am wrong (I haven't played SP in a long time) but I don't think a single quarian admits that they were responsible for this war. They just blame it on the Geth like it was all their fault. 

 

Take Mordin, for example. He admits that what salarians did to female krogans was wrong. In fact, he sacrifices himself to cure the genophage. If a quarian atleast acknowledged that, I wouldn't have so much hatred for them. 

 

You are wrong actually. In Mass Effect 2, Admiral Zaal'Koris essentially says just that in some of his dialogue during Tali's loyalty mission. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

And i'm not blaming anyone for anything. Saying I'm a Geth sympathizer doesn't mean I believe everything that happened in the Geth collective :')

 

Yes, I think we can assume that most, if not all, narrators in ME are unreliable.

 

The Reaper who pushed the Rachni to attack the Citadel races turned out to be a Leviathan and the dead Levithan the Batarians took was a Reaper instead.

 

There are lots of inconsistencies in the game that can only be explained by Shephard not having the correct information.

[TheNightSlasher]

You are wrong actually. In Mass Effect 2, Admiral Zaal'Koris essentially says just that in some of his dialogue during Tali's loyalty mission. 

Thanks, I just checked that out. That makes two quarians I like.

 

But still, I don't understand their collective action to wipe out an entire race. They go after geth everywhere and try to destroy them.

 

Edit: Sorry to give another Salarian example, but Salarians, when they made the genophage knew it was not a good thing. It was the turians who deploy it against the krogans.

 

And reapers pushed Rachni to attack the Citadel space, as Daemion pointed out. So, salarians stopped them. They didn't go after Rachni everywhere and started wiping them out. On the contrary, quarians pushed the geth to ally with the reapers. So, quarians were indirectly responsible for a whole new enemy faction for the entire galaxy.

[Creator Limbs]

Yes, I think we can assume that most, if not all, narrators in ME are unreliable.

 

The Reaper who pushed the Rachni to attack the Citadel races turned out to be a Leviathan and the dead Levithan the Batarians took was a Reaper instead.

 

There are lots of inconsistencies in the game that can only be explained by Shephard not having the correct information.

 

Well I mean, Shepard has been narrating since game 1 tbh.

That's the information I use to disqualify any and all inconsistencies in the writing and the plot.

It makes the games more enjoyable than they would be if I just asked "Wtf Bioware."

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Yes, it was their ancestors fault. But even the present generation of quarians just blame the geth without acknowledging the fact that it was they who brought all this upon themselves.

 

Correct me if I am wrong (I haven't played SP in a long time) but I don't think a single quarian admits that they were responsible for this war. They just blame it on the Geth like it was all their fault. 

 

Take Mordin, for example. He admits that what salarians did to female krogans was wrong. In fact, he sacrifices himself to cure the genophage.

 

If a quarian similarly admitted that, I wouldn't have so much hatred for them. Instead, they just go after Geth everywhere trying to kill them.

 

Yeah but since when does anyone throw **** at the Salarians?

 

The Quarians feel justified for blaming the Geth because everyone else blames the Quarians. All they feel is hostility. It's the same exact problem the Krogan have with the rest of the galaxy. They feel like victims but because everyone is prejudiced against them, thus they feel resigned to their fate and are content to be merciless killers instead of making cultural advances.

[Quarian Master Race]

Yes, it was their ancestors fault. But even the present generation of quarians just blame the geth without acknowledging the fact that it was they who brought all this upon themselves.

 

Correct me if I am wrong (I haven't played SP in a long time) but I don't think a single quarian admits that they were responsible for this war. They just blame it on the Geth like it was all their fault. 

 

Take Mordin, for example. He admits that what salarians did to female krogans was wrong. In fact, he sacrifices himself to cure the genophage.

 

If a quarian similarly admitted that, I wouldn't have so much hatred for them. Instead, they just go after Geth everywhere trying to kill them.

Bit in bold. Yeah, you totally are. 

Xen admits that the Morning War was a "past mistake" in ME2 directly in dialogue

Gerrel admits that the quarians are responsible for their own defeat in the Morning war via "giving the geth time to mobilize"

Kal'Reegar thinks that the prospect of a war with the geth is a bad idea and will return the Fleet as "scrap metal"

Koris (you know, that guy who you refuse to save) is a geth apologist, who directly states on multiple occasions in both ME2 and ME3 that its wrong to destroy the geth because they are "our children" and "the people we created, the people we wronged".

Tali starts out vehemently anti geth but is practically Koris level apologist by ME3 if you wake Legion and it Survives.

Sorry to make you look like a fool yet again. Your lesser species brain's inability to process information isn't your fault, though.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Also, keep in mind that the Quarians are ruled by a tiny military council, which has a monopoly on violence.

 

The Geth are one in that they reach a consensus on all that they do. Many Quarians might not have supported destroying the Geth.

 

All of the Geth supported killing the Quarians in the Morning War.

[Quarian Master Race]

Yeah but since when does anyone throw **** at the Salarians?

They should. Salarians have a larger bodycount of innocent people than any other species in the galaxy, and it isn't even close. Two galaxy spanning wars that each lasted over 100 years.

[DaemionMoadrin]

 

Well I mean, Shepard has been narrating since game 1 tbh.

That's the information I use to disqualify any and all inconsistencies in the writing and the plot.

It makes the games more enjoyable than they would be if I just asked "Wtf Bioware."

 

I once started to rewrite Mass Effect because the moment you look closely it doesn't make any sense. Reapers are dumb, incompetent and not as powerful as they should be. Indoctrination happens automatically close to Reapers but can not be detected with any instruments ... but every witness describes an audible noise which is also in the videos of Reapers. ... and so on.

[TheNightSlasher]

Yeah but since when does anyone throw **** at the Salarians?

 

The Quarians feel justified for blaming the Geth because everyone else blames the Quarians. All they feel is hostility. It's the same exact problem the Krogan have with the rest of the galaxy. They feel like victims but because everyone is prejudiced against them, thus they feel resigned to their fate and are content to be merciless killers instead of making cultural advances.

As for the first question, really? You even liked a post saying 'quarians aren't as bad as salarians'. Hence, why I used salarian example.

 

As for the second, I can understand Krogans' point of view. They were used as tools by the Citadel. Same cannot be said about quarians. They were the victims of their own actions. No one forced them to push Geth to ally with the reapers. 

[Creator Limbs]

Yeah but since when does anyone throw **** at the Salarians?

 

The Quarians feel justified for blaming the Geth because everyone else blames the Quarians. All they feel is hostility. It's the same exact problem the Krogan have with the rest of the galaxy. They feel like victims but because everyone is prejudiced against them, thus they feel resigned to their fate and are content to be merciless killers instead of making cultural advances.

 

Yeah and the Krogans do a better job of being little shits than the Quarians do, so I'm not seeing your point here. Krogan don't actively hunt the races that subjugated them. They're incredibly pissed off, and angry, but they don't actually do anything because they value what life they do have and a good number of them are trying to implement cultural advancement - Krogan don't just follow Wrex in ME3 because he says so, they follow him because they believe in a future for their people.

 

Quarians, rather than actually trying to find another planetto inhabit, attempt to martyr themselves. Consider what they will have to go through to start living on Rannoch without their suits, you can't tell me they never though about doing that with another planet. So why didn't they? Because they chose to be bitter as **** and plot to re-take their homeworld because they're a tad bit salty that they lost it to "toasters"

[TheNightSlasher]

Many Quarians might not have supported destroying the Geth.

 

All of the Geth supported killing the Quarians in the Morning War.

Does Legion support killing the quarians?

[Creator Limbs]

ALSO, I'd like to note the fact that the reason no one gives a shit that the Quarians lost their home planet is because they completely and totally violated a galactic law that said no one would invent AI because it would just lead to destruction.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

As for the first question, really? You even liked a post saying 'quarians aren't as bad as salarians'. Hence, why I used salarian example.

 

As for the second, I can understand Krogans' point of view. They were used as tools by the Citadel. Same cannot be said about quarians. They were the victims of their own actions. No one forced them to push Geth to ally with the reapers. 

 

What exactly is the problem there? The Salarians make enormous mistakes that have galaxy-spanning consequences in the short-term and the long-term, and no one in-game holds them accountable until near the end of ME3. Meanwhile, everyone in the story got mad at the Quarians for losing the Morning War, but the Geth were essentially dormant until Sovereign showed up. It's not like they were a looming galactic menace or something.

[Quarian Master Race]

ALSO, I'd like to note the fact that the reason no one gives a **** that the Quarians lost their home planet is because they completely and totally violated a galactic law that said no one would invent AI because it would just lead to destruction.

because the quarians were the ONLY ones who violated said law so its totally cool to hate on them for it

lol

[Creator Limbs]

Those aren't AI :')

I'm so glad we're talking about Mass Effect you guys :')

[nat in the hat]

I hate quarians because none of them have giant boobs like Asari and Humans

[Creator Limbs]

God dammit Nat.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Also, keep in mind that the Quarians are ruled by a tiny military council, which has a monopoly on violence.

 

The Geth are one in that they reach a consensus on all that they do. Many Quarians might not have supported destroying the Geth.

 

All of the Geth supported killing the Quarians in the Morning War.

 

No.

 

The Quarians are ruled by the admirals -now- but that's because circumstances changed. They had a proper government back on Rannoch. A significant portion of the Quarians sided with the Geth.

 

The Geth are programs sharing space either in servers or in platforms. They seek to reach a consensus among all the programs they are connected with, which may be only one platform until they can reconnect to the network... moot point during the Morning War, because all Geth on Rannoch were connected. They didn't want to kill the Quarians though. If they had wanted to do that, then the Quarians would have never escaped. They prioritized their own survival higher than the life of individual Quarians, which allowed them to defend themselves against their makers. Their solution was a Quarian exodus instead of genocide.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

Yeah and the Krogans do a better job of being little shits than the Quarians do, so I'm not seeing your point here. Krogan don't actively hunt the races that subjugated them. 

only because the races that subjugated them did so in such a complete manner that it took the means to do so away from them. They have no ships and their planet is a DMZ with nukes pointed at it.

Besides, the krogan would never have killed anyone but themselves if not for the frogs. I'm seeing a pattern here.

[NuclearTech76]

If not for my love of Tali as a character, the Arc Pistol as a weapon, and my hatred of Geth, I would probably think the Quarians could be thrown into the closest Sun and we'd be fine.

 

I think even QMR would say that some of the main Quarians come off as hand wringing douche bags.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Does Legion support killing the quarians?

 

Was Legion around during the Morning War?

 

 

Yeah and the Krogans do a better job of being little shits than the Quarians do, so I'm not seeing your point here. Krogan don't actively hunt the races that subjugated them. They're incredibly pissed off, and angry, but they don't actually do anything because they value what life they do have and a good number of them are trying to implement cultural advancement - Krogan don't just follow Wrex in ME3 because he says so, they follow him because they believe in a future for their people.

 

Quarians, rather than actually trying to find another planetto inhabit, attempt to martyr themselves. Consider what they will have to go through to start living on Rannoch without their suits, you can't tell me they never though about doing that with another planet. So why didn't they? Because they chose to be bitter as **** and plot to re-take their homeworld because they're a tad bit salty that they lost it to "toasters"

 

The only reason the Krogan don't hunt the other races is because they lack the manpower to do so. If they hadn't gotten Genophage'd they never would've given up. As soon as they get their cure, it is strongly hinted at the end of ME3 that they're going back to their old principles if Wreav--a normal Krogan--is their leader. Only with a taskmaster like Wrex do they learn to hold back.

 

The Quarians do try to find another planet but the Council refuses to give them any help. The Council is obsessed with screwing over everyone besides their own three races. The Quarians alone were on the verge of defeating the Geth until the Reapers intervened. If the Council had sent an expedition to the Far Rim as soon as the Morning War broke out, that's it. It would've been over. Crisis averted.

 

Instead the Council bitterly allowed the Quarians to almost get exterminated and didn't do jack **** about the Geth, even after the fact.

[Quarian Master Race]

Those aren't AI :')

I'm so glad we're talking about Mass Effect you guys :')

Yes, they are. need I post the video where the robots plead for their "lives"(lol) and explain the illegality before being gunned down? Perhaps the codex entry that explains the same thing?

I am as well, this glorious thread is now back on topic, steaming ahead at full speed, and will reach page 50 within the hour, probably.