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[BogdanUKR1984]

Hi all, i want to share the information how really DAI is playable on dual core system.

First of all the information which i here present is not new , but its quite dispersed through internet and i decided to show real deal to all who wants to play the game on old pc!

 

So I begin with presenting my pc specs:

CPU: Intel Pentium Extreme D with 3,46 Ghz  , Socket 775

CPU cooler: Arctic cooling Freezer 13

RAM: DDR2-800
GFX: PowerColor R9 270X PCS+ 2GB with overclocked GPU 1170Mhz and GRAM 1480 Mhz (PCI-Exp 16)

Harddrive: some sata disk

 

Let me explain why standard dual core can’t handle DAI properly, DAI game uses more then two threads so when you start the game with standard dual core processor, you will get quite disappointed and probably you have a full right to feel so, even on processors with high frequency like 3,2 Ghz this is not enough, simply put: it’s a processor architecture problem.

So my request to bioware devs work on optimization harder, it's just not right to cut off large group of user's who still use 2 -3 years hardware.

There are plenty of people in the world, who still use dual core systems and wouldn’t or can’t update their system to meet the minimum requirements of the DAI game.

 

In the meantime clever people found a way using 3^rd party software to run the game on dual core processor without any big problems. I tested it and it was ok , but for me it was not enough and I gone further more.

 

So here is my advise: to all who owns intel mainboard with socket 775 , you  need to check for Intel Pentium Extreme processor support.

As soon as you get the conformation about cpu support for you mainboard, then buy one of those processors .

Reason behind this advise, those processors use Hyperthreading technology which is capable to produce performance of 4 core system on 2 core physical system!

As result of this, you need very good cooler, which is able to handle the heat when processor running “hot”.

Second obvious thing, you need fast and at least 4 GB ram , just think about next possible bottle neck .

Third thing is graphic card, this wasn’t simple decision, there are so many gfx  but my choice was the ATI Radeon R9 270X   , I picked this card because of mantle technology and overclocking performance.

Not only this card is cheap as hell but its powerful too and stable and because of mantle technology produce shocking high quality.

Here look at the picture's (original not edited)

 

Settings of the game : 1   2   3

 

Benchmark result:

 

Random pictures
Picture1 Picture2 Picture3 Picture4 Picture5 Picture6

 

And most satisfied part of my story, i spent only few Euros for updating my hardware parts.

So what my advise, if you don’t wish to buy a new pc for the game, then look at you current hardware specs ,maybe if you lucky enough you will get the performance by updating only few hardware parts.

Of course this solution get you trough some years, but expect to see new games which require more processing power , this natural thing of order but it doesn’t mean that you need to buy new hardware to get the performance which you need. By the way , despite what metacritic users says about the game, when i play the game  i totaly love the experience, so on the content side i have no complains.

[Deathangel008]

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So here is my advise: to all who owns intel mainboard with socket 775 , you  need to check for Intel Pentium Extreme processor support.

As soon as you get the conformation about cpu support for you mainboard, then buy one of those processors .
Reason behind this advise, those processors use Hyperthreading technology which is capable to produce performance of 4 core system on 2 core physical system!
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i dont see the point in buying old dualcore CPUs while there are (newer) quadcores for the same socket.
and for all i know the game never had problems running on dualcores with 4 logical cores?

btw it looks like your old Pentium is limiting hard, avg fps of 27 in 1280x1024 with a R9 270X? what was the avg GPU-load?

[BogdanUKR1984]

Deathangel008

in my case, my motherboard doesn't support quad core processors.(at that time i wasn't sure about this)

There is a problem only for dual core processors.

27 fps is actually great for such old system

[Deathangel008]

in my case, my motherboard doesn't support quad core processors.

oh, really? i always thought that socket775 MBs support every socket775 CPU, maybe not the Extreme Editions. in this case a Pentium with HT of course is the "best" lowest-budget solution. otherwise a C2Q should be better, but all of them are really outdated...

There is a problem only for dual core processors.

*only for dualcores without HT, so the thread title is not 100% correct

27 fps is actually great for such old system

of course it is, and honestly i´m surprised that you actually can run the game on an ancient Pentium, but could you tell me the avg GPU-load?

[BogdanUKR1984]

Deathangel008

about my mb it was manufactured in 2012 so its 3 years old, so for me its not done yet.

Actually as you see with latest bios version, intel exreme processor is supported.

Of course above mentioned problem appears on dual core processor without ht  feature.

If i trust gpu-Z measurement , when the game is up and running, i have 47-50% GPU load.

Remember i  use very powerful mantle interface, thx AMD!!!!

In advance i would totally agree with following opinion :  there are no reason to stick to old hardware for longer periode,  but why  the software can't be optimized to run  perfectly on systems which outdated by 3 years but still able to run it.

Overall i am very happy with my result and recommend the bioware devs to think about software optimization for 3 years outdated hardware.

Anyway i am incredibly happy !

[Deathangel008]

about my mb it was manufactured in 2012 so its 3 years old, so for me its not done yet.

a socket 775 MB made 2012? (the current socket 2012 was 1155) isnt this socket EoL since 2008 or 2009? (and nevertheless your MB doesnt support C2Q CPUs?) and btw, are we talking about this CPU? (9 years old)
 

If i trust gpu-Z measurement , when the game is up and running, i have 47-50% GPU load.

well, you know what that means... use higher resolutions^^
 

3 years outdated hardware

3 years...? the CPU in my "old" computer, an i5 2500K, is already 4 years outdated...

one more question: how many fps in avg do you gain by using Mantle compared to D3D?

[BogdanUKR1984]

Deathangel008

Using mantle i always get higher values, with directx 11  i only get up to 19 fps and this is not enough for normal gaming. :=)

Anyway i am very happy with result , here another pics:

Picture 1 , Picture 2 , Picture  3, Picture 4

[Farangbaa]

Deathangel008
Using mantle i always get higher values, with directx 11  i only get up to 19 fps and this is not enough for normal gaming. :=)
Anyway i am very happy with result , here another pics:
Picture 1 , Picture 2 , Picture  3, Picture 4

That's... not bad at all.

But you should really upgrade to quad cores, man. Of course it could be a financial issue, in which case I feel for you, but damn.. dual core

[theflyingzamboni]

So my request to bioware devs work on optimization harder, it's just not right to cut off large group of user's who still use 2 -3 years hardware.

2-3 years? The i5s and i7s have been out for over 5 years, and quad-cores in general for even longer. Quad-cores are 2-3 year-old hardware now. And dual-cores are fading fast. There just isn't really a margin these days on spending time and money optimizing for nearly defunct technology.

[BogdanUKR1984]

theflyingzamboni

I totally disagree about margin, if you count with Europe there are  a lot of dual core users.

About spending money, well i didn't spent a lot, actually it was any penny worth, look at this picture !

 

28 FPS!  This is my latest benchmark on latest game update ->> Benchmark result

 

I achieved the ultimate score

My coworker give me a present: Artic Accelero IV 280[x], which of course for overclocking purposes only. :-)

So with overclocked gfx settings like GPU 1200 Mhz and GRAM 1800 Mhz, i got the performance almost as good as other new middle range pcs.

 

Here some nice looking picture's taken from the  acttual game:

 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18

 

So in the end worth it worth it, totally yes , but you need to know the hardware limits if you do than all ok!

[Deathangel008]

I totally disagree about margin, if you count with Europe there are  a lot of dual core users.

and how many of this "dual core users" actually have dualcores without HT, like the old C2D?

[Farangbaa]

Sorry but even if the installed base is enormous, that doesn't mean they should make their games compatible for it too.

The isntalled base of the NES is enormous too, I don't see anyone aside from a few hobbyists still making games for it (Battle Kid is an awesome game for it made fairly recently ). It's just old hardware, if you're going to use it you either are going to have to accept that they won't be making any new stuff for you, or you're going to have to upgrade.

[BogdanUKR1984]

Deathangel008

Not sure what do you mean, i do not have actual numbers for 4 recent years, but judging by my friends and some customers (people who ask me to repair their pc) i see dual core is in common and it's a lot cheaper then buy new quad core processor.

Of course i am straight with modern pc technology and i strongly recommend to all upgrade to newer hardware.

[AlanC9]

and how many of this "dual core users" actually have dualcores without HT, like the old C2D?

AMD rigs? Not that anyone with an Athlon 64 X2 has a right to expect DAI to run -- although BF4 does.

More seriously, there's also the G3258. A lot of enthusiasts without much cash bought into that chip --Tom's Hardware is still recommending it, although it's becoming a bit controversial now that people are hearing that DAI won't launch on it.

[Deathangel008]

AMD rigs? Not that anyone with an Athlon 64 X2 has a right to expect DAI to run -- although BF4 does.

oops, i totally forgot about AMD speaking of AMD, does the FX4XXX officially count as dual- or quad-core?
but still, every Core i3/mobile i5/some mobile i7 count as dualcore but has 4 threads and can run DA:I and other games that dont run on 2thread-CPUs.
 

More seriously, there's also the G3258. A lot of enthusiasts without much cash bought into that chip --Tom's Hardware is still recommending it, although it's becoming a bit controversial now that people are hearing that DAI won't launch on it.

depending on the games you play the G3258 can be better than any non-K i5/i7, but i dont understand how they can recommend a dual-thread CPU for gaming(?) in 2014

[duke8690]

Excuse the bump, but this is a bit baffling.

 

about my mb it was manufactured in 2012 so its 3 years old, so for me its not done yet.

 

If your motherboard was really made in 2012, why are you using a processor made 6 years before it in 2006? Clock speed isn't everything, the reason the Netburst architecture (Pentium 4, Pentium D) clocked so high is because Intel was looking to be the clock king at that time and performance was on the far back burner. Netburst was actually so bad that it wasn't until the Pentium 4 reached 1.7-1.8 GHz that it could match the performance of the older Pentium 3 1.4 GHz part it was supposed to replace.

 

Some of the slowest Core 2 Duos in the E6xx0 family will run circles around the Pentium D EE while being clocked far slower (IE: 2.13 GHz on the E6420 vs 3.46 GHz on yours.) I really hope you didn't pay more than like 50 quid for that system because that's about all it's worth minus the video card.

 

Assuming your board was actually made in 2012, and not a disguised netburst only motherboard, you should definitely be able to use quad core LGA775 processors. At bare minimum you should get an E8400. They're a few quid on Ebay and you'll get over a 90%+ performance gain compared to your Pentium D EE, with the addition of using 50%+ less power (130W on Pentium D EE vs 65W on the E8400.) You'll be able to ditch the massive cooler and not worry about sitting in a swealtering room from the Pentium D EE furnace.

 

 

Let me explain why standard dual core can’t handle DAI properly, DAI game uses more then two threads so when you start the game with standard dual core processor, you will get quite disappointed and probably you have a full right to feel so, even on processors with high frequency like 3,2 Ghz this is not enough, simply put: it’s a processor architecture problem.

 

The Pentium D EE has Hyperthreading so it appears to the OS as 4 cores (two physical, two logical) so it can technically run games that require 4 threads. This still won't help your case though because the Netburst architecture is so inefficient. In some cases disabling HT can drastically improve performance on Netburst CPUs, at the cost of reducing it back to two threads only.

[BogdanUKR1984]

Okay, i got time to explain some simple stuff:

My mainboard is Asrock P5B-DE, which was produced in 2012 (assuming bios date is manufacture date)

Yes my board supports quard core, Penryn Quad Core and Yorkfield but this is not the same as pure quad core technology.

E8400 , oh well i used this processor first but it has only two cores and doesn't support the game minimum hardware requirements, which is 4 core processor.

In this regard my decision was obvious, it was cheap and nice solution (i spent less then 50 $ for cpu) and i got average fps like 20 -25.

Anyway for somebody who got same setup as mine, think about what most games require in the future, more  ram and more cpu cores and more gfx power and definitely ssd drive.

So i definitely recommend to save  money for better pc instead of spending on outdated hardware, for me it was pure academic interest and pure luck ;-)

And as the prove of my point , yesterday i installed new DLC Trespassing and of course i immediately noticed the frame drops in the dialog scene's and with rendered scene. So just for fun i would buy the cheap Q9550 (which is 4 core processor) and test again, but once again this is just only for fun, do not try this at home folks ;-)

Small update i am going to try the 771 to 775 mod, according to this page http://www.delidded....-775-adapter/3/  i can use Xeon

X5460 (its 4 core 3 Ghz server Processor) on my motherboard, as soon as i get the processor i will post my result

 

Latest update November 2015:

Ok, wow it took some time to get my system running again i have success !

So it is possible to run Xeon processor on old 775 motherboard here are results!

 

First of all lets compare two processors, old Pentium D which i used earlier  and new Xeon which i use now

 

Xeon specs

 

Pentium D Extreme edition specs

 

Cinebenchtest OpenGL test result for Pentium D Processor

 

Cinebenchtest OpenGL  test results for Xeon  Processor

 

Cinebenchtest Processor test result for Pentium D Processor 

 

Cinebenchtest Processor test result for Xeon Processor

 

Here my current gfx settings for the game:

 

Gametest Xeon only, because i posted earlier my results  for Pentium D

 

Warning Xeon, need proper cooling like Alpenfoehn Himalaya 2 or you will experience some unstable cpu work!

 

Conclusion: yes  we can! It works, but it will take some time to optimize the cpu and gfx settings (use for gfx overclocking only msi afterburning  tool the default amd overclocking tool is useless) for suitable and stable run and more time to find proper and cheap cooling. Once again  i provided the proof that old hardware still kicking, it takes only some work to put the hardware to right setup.

 

Would i recommend to do it?

It's depends on your budget, if you know you hardware then do it (word of caution some motherboards does not support the 775 cpu mod), if you not sure then save some buck for newer hardware.

Last but not least thx for guy , who has given me the advise about cpu mod it's pretty amazing how internet can improve your knowledge !