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Shield recharge speed Asari Justicar build - is it viable / worth it?


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I have a love-hate relationship with Asari Justicar. The more I play her the more I like her, but she's so much different to the characters that I play best (think AIU / TGI / HSol), and she doesn't forgive mistakes. She seems to have a lot of variety in terms of ability builds, too.

So, I've just been playing with her in Kalence, and ended up with this:

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What do you think of this build for Gold?



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I like to spec 4 points in Fitness & 4 points in area Pull.  Also, I go for radius with the Bubble.  As a Krogan, I have to be as offensive as possible (in more ways than one).

 

There's nothing wrong with your build though.

If you do go 5 ranks in Fitness, there's no reason not to get the shield recharge.  It helps a little, but I believe Shield Recharge is a different timer than Shieldgate, which is often what actually saves you on higher difficulties.  I could be mistaken.



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Why not ? anyway, i woudl still take radius for an offensive bubble



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Shield recharge speed Asari Justicar build

 

Check this thread.

 

About your Build - it's ok I guess. I'm not sure about Passives 5a is doing much for your Reave, maybe Headshot Damage would be better.

 

I myself spec always 4 ranks into Pull.


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Wait, are you suggesting "Shield Recharge: 1.12s" in Kalence is not the delay before shield recharge kicks in? Fitness 5b Shield Recharge option does affect this value, so I assumed it's the shield recharge delay and not the time it takes for the shield to go from 0 to 100% once it started regenerating.

 

I'm not sure about Passives 5a is doing much for your Reave, maybe Headshot Damage would be better.

It does increase Reave DPM. You need an accurate weapon to take advantage of headshot bonus. I don't trust myself to shoot heads reliably with Lancer, so I took power damage. It depends on the enemies, too. I'd say the headshot bonus is more useful against Collectors or Reapers than Cerberus or Geth.

 

Does power damage passive (5a) affect biotic explosions in any way?

 

P. S. I've been mostly playing Asari Justicar with a full defensive build like the one you've linked, and was underwhelmed by the result. The effect of damage reduction seems to be minimal even on Silver; low shield pool doesn't really let you tank damage even with 40% + 40% defense bonus. Let alone - on Gold. The ineffective build could be part of the reason I'm struggling with her on Gold.



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P. S. I've been mostly playing Asari Justicar with a full defensive build like the one you've linked, and was underwhelmed by the result. The effect of damage reduction seems to be minimal even on Silver; low shield pool doesn't really let you tank damage even with 40% + 40% defense bonus. Let alone - on Gold. The ineffective build could be part of the reason I'm struggling with her on Gold.

 

Note: I'm not suggesting a defensive build. I linked it, because it seems to fit your request most. :)

I spec her always offensive and take a cyclonic and I find her to be more tanky than her asdept/asguard sisters.

 

Does power damage passive (5a) affect biotic explosions in any way?

 

No, they are only affected by the rank of primer/detonator and the damage bonus of some powers (e.g. warp 4a or throw 5a etc.)


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I've honestly found  the offensive spec Justicar to be more survivable.  Between the reave staggers, the pulls on unshielded mooks, the Bubble staggers and the biotic explosions, most enemies are either unable to fight back or are actually dead.

 

Uh, I mean, ASARI: RELIANCE UPON ALIEN SPECIES FOR REPRODUCTION SHOWS GENETIC WEAKNESS.


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Wait, are you suggesting "Shield Recharge: 1.12s" in Kalence is not the delay before shield recharge kicks in? Fitness 5b Shield Recharge option does affect this value, so I assumed it's the shield recharge delay and not the time it takes for the shield to go from 0 to 100% once it started regenerating.

U R right on this. Your shield gate is still 3sec though



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I'm thinking of maybe going back to the Staggerless Justicar build with Lancer. Just wish character respec was always available instead of being trolled by the store for them, as I always want to respec my characters back and forth.

 

 

U R right on this. Your shield gate is still 3sec though

 

It doesn't matter much on this build with all the dmg reduction, thus very worthy feature to have on her.

 

 

It does increase Reave DPM. You need an accurate weapon to take advantage of headshot bonus. I don't trust myself to shoot heads reliably with Lancer, so I took power damage.

 

The Lancer becomes very stable in hard cover for much easier headshots. Just a thought.



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Yes, it's definitely worth trying for a few games. Max your shield recharge, max your DR, and should the typhoon from hard cover for maximal effect.

Also fun on a melee geth trooper and the krodept.

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U R right on this. Your shield gate is still 3sec though

Could please explain what shield gate is? I thought it's the fact that a single instance of damage, no matter how high the damage is, can't go through shields.

 

Just wish character respec was always available instead of being trolled by the store for them, as I always want to respec my characters back and forth.

Why won't you simply promote the character? 1-2 Silver + 2-3 Gold games - and you're back to lvl 20.



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Could please explain what shield gate is? I think I misunderstand.

 

 

the most important surviving tool : when your shield hits its emptiness u have some I-frames. Look at the Fagnan balance change to see the duration extent of those. 0.01 sec on plat IIRC and maybe .1 sec on gold. Health gate works the same

But this doesnt refresh with your shield, there s 3 sec CD. That s why U can be killed by one attack right out of charge with a full shield


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Aww... I thought shield gate would be perfectly synced with shield status. If you're right, that makes lowering shield recharge delay next to useless (because incoming damage is so high on Gold and Plat is so high that actually tanking with shield rather than shield gate is hardly possible).



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That s why U can be killed by one attack right out of charge with a full shield



Hahaha. Nice joke :P

I mean... That would be, if everything worked as intended™ >_>

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Aww... I thought shield gate would be perfectly synced with shield status. If you're right, that makes lowering shield recharge delay next to useless (because incoming damage is so high on Gold and Plat is so high that actually tanking with shield rather than shield gate is hardly possible).


Nah it's a useful thing, especially when coupled with a shitton of DR like the you have on the justicar. You're still very hard to kill. However yeah. It's not as cool as you'd think at first sight.

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That booty needs recharging after all that bouncing...


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Nah it's a useful thing, especially when coupled with a shitton of DR like the you have on the justicar. You're still very hard to kill. However yeah. It's not as cool as you'd think at first sight.

I didn't even take all the DR there, only recharge delay - exactly because I was going to abuse shield gate :(



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I didn't even take all the DR there, only recharge delay - exactly because I was going to abuse shield gate :(


Ah sorry, didn't see that. No, taking all the DR you can is mandatory in order to play her that way as the more DR you have, the more effective having even more becomes, obviously.
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Ah sorry, didn't see that. No, taking all the DR you can is mandatory in order to play her that way as the more DR you have, the more effective having even more becomes, obviously.

That would bring me back to the exact build I've used so far (minus shield recharge equipment), and it's pretty meh.

I think it's time for me to L2P the Justicar the right way - with biotic booms and corpses flying outwards in all directions.



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That would bring me back to the exact build I've used so far (minus shield recharge equipment), and it's pretty meh.
I think it's time for me to L2P the Justicar the right way - with biotic booms accompanying corpses flying outwards in all directions.


Then play her aggressively, and have real fun ;)

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There was a lengthy discussion about her as recently as last week, and while consensus obviously wasn't reached, the majority of contributors, including me, were of the opinion that 6a Reave is better on her, as is a bigger Bubble, as is Pull, as is an Acolyte, either as primary or secondary. I prefer the Acolyte, Pull, Reave combo best, following up with the bubble on Reaved bosses.  Speed and aggression is far more successful than caution.  I carry an SMG too but rarely use it.

 

If killing stuff quickly is your primary motivation, the Venom has been shown by TheTechnoTurian to be the fastest gun on her.


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Successful Pull primes for BE, right? And Reave can both prime and detonate, as well as the bubble?



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That would bring me back to the exact build I've used so far (minus shield recharge equipment), and it's pretty meh.

 

Do it with max recharge equipment.  The recharge mechanic is designed to be abused, because unlike power cooldowns all bonuses are linear.  On both the justicar and geth trooper you can get the recharge so low that it will be seem nearly instantaneous.  When you hover over the shield recharge number in kalence, the tooltip popup shows you the second, lower number for when your protections don't get destroyed.  Works even better when you strap a volus to your cooch, spamming shield recharge.


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pull Primes for BE, right?

 

Be careful pulling Primes. They might sync kill you... :P

 

Successful Pull primes for BE, right? And Reave can both prime and detonate, as well as the bubble?

 

More serious: correct, Pull works on nonarmored, nonshielded enemies (hence the Acolyte) and primes for a BE. The rest is correct, as well.


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Be careful pulling Primes. They might sync kill you... :P

Good advice :)

 

I'm very noobish with my BEs / FEs / TEs / CEs, hence the silly questions. Hopefully, the Justicar is as good a character as any to learn it with.