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[mickey111]

There been quite a bit of talk of site blocking for a while now, and as of this week it seems likely they'll be doing it to australia next. I worry what the internet will look like 20 years from now, are the governments going to tie it all up? Because they've always sided with the corporations before now...

[Liamv2]

Meh. Any block can be got past by a simple app you can install on your browser.

[Fidite Nemini]

The chinese military is a paper dragon. 

 

Not really super relevant to this thread, buuuuuuuuuut, yeah. 

 

A paper dragon for the currently typical asymmetric warfare perhaps, or going by a US centric perspective that their logistics would crumble if stressed to support global actions. Doesn't change the fact that its military still got enough man- and firepower to just roll over any of its neighbours except Russia.

 

It's not a paper dragon, it's a very real dragon, just not on a global field.

 

 

As for the internet, Australia is infamous for its incredibly shortsighted. outright sensationalist take on media. Videogames, TV shows, internet ... all the same over there. It's regarded by an evil thing that spreads other evil things. At least that's the evident stance of Australia's current goverment.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Meh. Any block can be got past by a simple app you can install on your browser.

 

I know 3 apps that never worked or stopped working at some point.

[Dio Demon]

A paper dragon for the currently typical asymmetric warfare perhaps, or going by a US centric perspective that their logistics would crumble if stressed to support global actions. Doesn't change the fact that its military still got enough man- and firepower to just roll over any of its neighbours except Russia.

 

It's not a paper dragon, it's a very real dragon, just not on a global field.

 

 

As for the internet, Australia is infamous for its incredibly shortsighted. outright sensationalist take on media. Videogames, TV shows, internet ... all the same over there. It's regarded by an evil thing that spreads other evil things. At least that's the evident stance of Australia's current goverment.

Our Australian government's stance on evil is that they believe that homosexual, female, Islamic boat people are corrupting our youths. Internet is the next scapegoat.

[Farangbaa]

Our Australian government's stance on evil is that they believe that homosexual, female, Islamic boat people are corrupting our youths. Internet is the next scapegoat.

Didn't they also try to lable porn with adult women with small breast sizes (A cup or less) as child pornography?

Australia sounds fun
 

But, I will say the article is written from the perspective of a United States V China perspective. And from that pov, it makes many excellent points.

And I agree about their neighbors, but I think India would give them an incredibly difficult time.

Both are irrelevant. US vs China won't happen, cause nukes.
China vs India won't happen, cause nukes.

Having nukes is a surefire way to never get attacked by a military. (and then people wonder why some states desperaltly try to get a nuclear arsenal)


Take Pakistan and India for example. They despise each other. But, nukes. So nothing ever happens.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

And I agree about their neighbors, but I think India would give them an incredibly difficult time.

I wanted to make a thread about this but I thought it might be too inflammatory, I might go back and do that.

 

A war between India and China would be pure crapfest. Prepare for 50 millions to die at the border.

[Farangbaa]

Its not irrelevant. If it was defense spending would be a thing of the past. You think if China moved to seize any of the disputed islands Nukes would come into play? Of course not.

No, of course not. Why this has anything to do with the USA is beyond me though.
 

The Chinese do not currently have the power to annihilate the United States with Nuclear weapons. Only Russia can do that.

Like annihilation is the only use of nuclear armaments. The threat of deploying one is usually enough to get what you want.

Also your assessment of the situation with India and Pakistan is wrong. Nothing ever happens? Its pretty much a state of on and off skirmishes.

Skirmishes =/= military action.
 

Nukes are an absolute last resort, when you face an existential threat. No country is going to use them to secure their interests abroad.

No, they are the single most important piece of equipment a country needs to be truely sovereign. No one will ever use them, they just have to have them to get in a proper negatiation position to get what they want, and to be able to do what they want inside their own country.

[Fidite Nemini]

That's because General Ouki isn't leading them.

 

Nfufufufufu

 

#insidejokenvm

 

Ouki with nukes?

 

Could be worse ... could be Kanki with nukes.

[FraQ]

This thread makes me hungry for some General Tso chicken w/ Crab Rangoon...

... It's so close to lunch time here.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

the world is becoming short?

[ObserverStatus]

Its not irrelevant. If it was defense spending would be a thing of the past. You think if China moved to seize any of the disputed islands Nukes would come into play? Of course not. The Chinese do not currently have the power to annihilate the United States with Nuclear weapons. Only Russia can do that.

Ever heard of an electromagnetic pulse? Fascinating stuff.

[Fast Jimmy]

Our Australian government's stance on evil is that they believe that homosexual, female, Islamic boat people are corrupting our youths. Internet is the next scapegoat.

Heh. Boat people.

[Farangbaa]

1. The United States is obligated to defend Japans interests in the area. Ever since ww2, A fight between Japan and china is a fight between America and china.

Ha, learn something new every day. It sounds really obvious though, I should've known this.

2.Not really though. The threat of using one just raises tensions. In the history of Nukes there has never been a country saying "do we want or get nuked" it has not happened.

I'll concede that one. My point was that having nukes gives you a special position. It basically excludes the possibility of being invaded.

3. Uhm, Skirmishes are a military action. You know that, right? Just on a small scale. Unless you think night time raids by special forces are not military ops.

I've always been under the impression that tensions around the Pakistan-Indian border were not government driven military actions, but just the occasional fight when someone loses it's nerve.
Either way, they have never escalated into full scale war, because both countries have nukes.

4. They are important. But that does not change the fact that they are a last resort.

No one will ever use them again*, full scale war needs to happen first, and that's exactly what the possession on nukes prevents.

*only doubtful about North Korea.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Fun fact, scientists say that even a limited nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India could end life as we know it. I am not sure on why, but apparently it would change the climate somehow.

 

It's pile of crap of anti-anything-nuclear scientists.

At worst it affects Pakistan, India, Tibet and Afghanistan. Poor them anyway!

[Farangbaa]

we seem to mostly agree

*gasps*

We can't have that!

Ehm.

I think every country should have nukes. Cause right now, there's a few bullies in the world who sit on their stockpile of world destroying armaments telling everybody else what to do, desperatly, and if necessary, forcefully making sure no one else gets them.

 

It's pile of crap of anti-anything-nuclear scientists.
At worst it affects Pakistan, India, Tibet and Afghanistan. Poor them anyway!

Please elaborate, because, frankly, this a load of crock. If the environment in India and Pakistan is destroyed by nuclear force, the entire world will feel the consequences.

Hell, one nuclear power plant in Ukraine exploded and almost all of Europe that was unlucky enough to be on the wrong side of the wind couldn't eat safely of the land anymore. One nuclear power plant, just one.

A couple of nukes on 'greater India' will devastate the world.

Fun and possibly very informative fact: I was born just months after that power plant exploded

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

*gasps*

We can't have that!

Ehm.

I think every country should have nukes. Cause right now, there's a few bullies in the world who sit on their stockpile of world destroying armaments telling everybody else what to do, desperatly, and if necessary, forcefully making sure no one else gets them.

 

Please elaborate, because, frankly, this a load of crock. If the environment in India and Pakistan is destroyed by nuclear force, the entire world will feel the consequences.

Hell, one nuclear power plant in Ukraine exploded and almost all of Europe that was unlucky enough to be on the wrong side of the wind couldn't eat safely of the land anymore. One nuclear power plant, just one.

A couple of nukes on 'greater India' will devastate the world.

Fun and possibly very informative fact: I was born just months after that power plant exploded

 

And people are prosperously living in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

[Farangbaa]

And people are prosperously living in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

70 years to date, after hundreds of thousand died from radiation related diseases. After being bombed by relatively primitive nuclear armaments.

And lets not forget Japan is a rather isolated island. The enivronmental effects of nuclear exlosions in India/Pakistan would be much, much bigger.