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[LeBurns]

No matter how many times I see the scene, no matter what type of character I'm playing, I just can't seem to justify allowing Sera to join the Inquisition.  I can't help but be reminded of Zevran in DAO whom only once did I allow to live, and that was with my low-down rogue dwarf who saw the potential have having an assassin.  To all my other character the option to let Zevran live shouldn't have even been given.  He should have just been slaughtered like anyone else who attacked me.

 

And then there's Sera.  Meta-gaming I know she has skills that my group may need, yet ... who in their right mind would really want her to join?  It all starts off with her setting you up in an ambush.  She murders some guy and admits she doesn't even know who he is.  Her friends take the pants, not the weapons, from the guards that attack you next.  She's obviously nuts.  So unless my character is also insane, and I'm asking seriously here, why would you want this person in the Inquisition?  Does having skill and connections justify being an insane murderer?

 

I'm just trying to realistically role-play here, but hit a brick wall every time I meet her.

 

Thanks.

[LightningPoodle]

She's not an insane murderer.

[Cribbian]

She followed me home so i kept her.

[Wulfram]

Her "friends" could provide useful intel.  Worth putting up with a bit of crazy.

 

Anyway, the Inquisition is founded on crazy.

[LeBurns]

She's not an insane murderer.

 

Then I wish she would have done or say something to indicate such.  Based only on our first meeting there is no other opinion to make of her.

[Sifr]

She's not an insane murderer.

 

Tell that to the noble who killed her contacts, who she loses all patience with and ends up kicking to death if you talk to him for too long?

 

I mean, he was a colossal tool and did have it coming... but that's still both insane and essentially murder, right?

[FadelessRipley]

I found it hard to warm to Sera - she was the only BioWare character I could never really take to. Now please, Sera fans, hear me out and don't shiv me.  The first scene where I met Sera, my initial reaction was "...what?" I literally hadn't a clue what she was talking about. That, and the fact she ambushed me and killed a bunch of people...   I think I get what they were trying to do - have a quirky anarchist type character. Personally, I think they overdid the "quirky" part and it fell pretty flat. My pre-game ambition to romance her went completely out the window. 

 

Now, I have never turned away or lost a companion, ever, so I was determined to try. So I got to know her a bit. While I am still no closer to understanding the Friends of Red Jenny than I was in Origins ( ), she grew on me. If you actually have conversations to her, she's interesting enough. The pranks side quest was really fun - a bit of ridiculous nonsense to lighten the mood of the weight of the world being on the Inquisitor's shoulders. Practically speaking, she's my second archer after Varric and is pretty well skilled. 

 

I really get why you'd want to ditch her, but it's worth giving her a shot if you want a full companion set. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Tell that to the noble who killed her contacts, who she loses all patience with and ends up kicking to death if you talk to him for too long?

 

I mean, he was a colossal tool and did have it coming... but that's still both insane and essentially murder, right?

And she risk her "friends" lives to pull the entire scheme then justify her action with "they were already being hurt" as an explanation on how her getting servant or low level people getting hurt and killed is acceptable. To be fair, as much as we think that noble deserve it, what Sera did only prove that she's on the same level as him, she's no better than him. She's pretty much a huge hypocrite IMO.

[The Loyal Nub]

Tell that to the noble who killed her contacts, who she loses all patience with and ends up kicking to death if you talk to him for too long?

 

I mean, he was a colossal tool and did have it coming... but that's still both insane and essentially murder, right?

 

Is it murder? Seems to me it was right after the man tried to have her and the quiz killed by his thugs. That would have been murder right? Or is it just combat and it's consequences? Try thinking about how you might react after being ambushed by this guy, who has killed your friends as well. Murder? I don't think so. War situation. Different rules apply.

[LeBurns]

I found it hard to warm to Sera - she was the only BioWare character I could never really take to. Now please, Sera fans, hear me out and don't shiv me.  The first scene where I met Sera, my initial reaction was "...what?" I literally hadn't a clue what she was talking about. That, and the fact she ambushed me and killed a bunch of people...   I think I get what they were trying to do - have a quirky anarchist type character. Personally, I think they overdid the "quirky" part and it fell pretty flat. My pre-game ambition to romance her went completely out the window. 

 

Now, I have never turned away or lost a companion, ever, so I was determined to try. So I got to know her a bit. While I am still no closer to understanding the Friends of Red Jenny than I was in Origins ( ), she grew on me. If you actually have conversations to her, she's interesting enough. The pranks side quest was really fun - a bit of ridiculous nonsense to lighten the mood of the weight of the world being on the Inquisitor's shoulders. Practically speaking, she's my second archer after Varric and is pretty well skilled. 

 

I really get why you'd want to ditch her, but it's worth giving her a shot if you want a full companion set. 

 

I get she can be ... well interesting after she joins.  It's the joining part that's a roadblock to me.

[EmissaryofLies]

 Sera does what Sera wants. What Sera wants is what Sera wants right now! Her selfish impulsive nature can be quite the detriment if allowed to go unchecked.

[Cee]

Then I wish she would have done or say something to indicate such.  Based only on our first meeting there is no other opinion to make of her.

 

 

It kind of helps if you've played Dragon Age and know about The Friends of Red Jenny. In any case, she's not ambushing you, she's testing you, feeling you out. She left clues to where to find her to see if you'd come. She works with a secret, decentralized organization. Not the sort of system you align yourself with and then talk about openly.

 

 

Sera is one of the only, if not the only, member of the Inquisition who is genuinely all about the commoners/the little people. She's brash and her tactics are rough but if you think about it, most people you have with you are either nobility or highly intelligent and resourceful/powerful. Hell, even Varric may be the wealthiest person there.

 

Iron Bull cares about people who have few other options, by the looks of the Chargers, but still, he's not on a quest to shake everything up like Sera is.

 

Sera pulled me back and forth my first time, but I grew to kind of love her, like that one friend who you love but also pisses you off greatly every so often.

[The Loyal Nub]

I don't see her the way you do but really you could say the same thing about most Dragon Age characters. Sten murdered a family, Leliana, remember that first conversation.

 

Right Sera is not the first DA character to mete out violence on people but she is the most judged for it. Gonna start a thread on Blackwall? I thought not.

[LeBurns]

I don't see her the way you do but really you could say the same thing about most Dragon Age characters. Sten murdered a family, Leliana, remember that first conversation.

 

Agreed, letting a giant out of a cage and giving him a big sword after he admits he slaughtered a family.  Why the hell...

 

Leliana, while not appearing to be dangerous (like Z and S) certainly was a questionable recruit, but I could appreciate her levelheadedness in trying to resolve the initial conflict without bloodshed.

[FadelessRipley]

I get she can be ... well interesting after she joins.  It's the joining part that's a roadblock to me.

I think it's worth it. The Inquisitor can temper some of her crazy if they form a friendship. She's called the Wildcard for a reason. My Inquisitor grew to see her as a sort of little sister figure, but it wasn't easy.   I do think one of the main stumbling blocks to warming to Sera is that initial introduction scene - it's far too...trippy. She comes across as a complete nutter. Further conversations show more depth to her. 

[LeBurns]

I think it's worth it. The Inquisitor can temper some of her crazy if they form a friendship. She's called the Wildcard for a reason. My Inquisitor grew to see her as a sort of little sister figure, but it wasn't easy.   I do think one of the main stumbling blocks to warming to Sera is that initial introduction scene - it's far too...trippy. She comes across as a complete nutter. Further conversations show more depth to her. 

 

Again meta-gaming I know that.  But playing in character I'd like some sort of justification.  There isn't any real indication that the PC would know about Red Jenny, so even that being mentioned wouldn't help.  Maybe if I role-played a character that did know of them?  Course if I'm playing human I can't imagine a noble having a favorable opinion of them if he did know about them.

[Sifr]

Is it murder? Seems to me it was right after the man tried to have her and the quiz killed by his thugs. That would have been murder right? Or is it just combat and it's consequences? Try thinking about how you might react after being ambushed by this guy, who has killed your friends as well. Murder? I don't think so. War situation. Different rules apply.

 

But then he would have been in the right to have done so, since Sera made the first move by attempting to use the FoRJ to undermine him? Wouldn't that mean the death of her agents, the ambush of the Inquisitor and her would have likewise be the result of combat and it's consequences?

 

Sera struck first, so the fault lies with her, but she takes it out on him because she doesn't want to admit that she got her people killed?

[Cee]

She's easily justifiable for me. The Inquisition is first formed to restore order and help save common folks from the chaos of the current war and the breach. This is all she wants too.

 

Bull is harder to justify to me, yet he doesn't get that option. I don't know why Sera is the only one you can boot.

 

You can also boot Cole and Dorian.

[FadelessRipley]

Again meta-gaming I know that.  But playing in character I'd like some sort of justification.  There isn't any real indication that the PC would know about Red Jenny, so even that being mentioned wouldn't help.  Maybe if I role-played a character that did know of them?  Course if I'm playing human I can't imagine a noble having a favorable opinion of them if he did know about them.

I played a Qunari FemInquisitor, so maybe it was just my ego being stroked.  Yes, I see your point now, sorry. In a strict RP mindset, taking her along seems almost as crazy as she does. However, as previous posters have mentioned, using strict RP immersion recruiting Sten seems completely nuts. He's possibly the most obvious example. Though even my beloved Leliana has a question mark - a Chantry sister, really? Even one who seemingly has badass fighting skills, which raises even more questions...now you did address that point well, but you see what I mean? You could argue that the Blight had more of a sense of urgency than the Inquisition by the point you meet Sera, but even so. 

 

It's entirely your choice, and no one is entitled to slate you for taking an instant dislike and never recruiting a character (but they will, oh yes they will... ). However, if you're like me and like to do a Pokemon an collect them all, then chances are you might warm to her. 

[LeBurns]

No, he struck first when he used the men under his command to bully dirt poor peasants and commoners.

 

While I see how this can give you an idea of the mind of Sera, I'm really just talking here about the very first encounter with her.  Just that alone and nothing else, leaves little reason to have her join IMO, though I know that by design the devs wanted you to have her join.

[berelinde]

Whenever something begins "Justify <thing>" the only real response is "Not possible." Either you get it or you don't. You don't have to like every character, nor do you have to recruit every character.

 

Buuuut, because this is the internet, I'm going to have a go at it. In my brain, Sera represents people like Cabot the bartender and that servant who brings you elfroot in Haven: people without godlike skills or destiny etched across every feature, but who still want to help. I believe it's important for people to feel invested in their organization, no matter what rank they hold in that organization. Mind you, I'm not sure that Cabot or Flissa or that elven servant *want* Sera representing them, but that's another matter entirely.