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[rashie]

She's not an insane murderer.

The impression I got out of her in her personal quest implied otherwise to me, she just brutally started attacking the guy while I was talking to him.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The impression I got out of her in her personal quest implied otherwise to me, she just brutally started attacking the guy while I was talking to him.

I wasn't overly thrilled by her reaction there, personally. But she's still Sera.

[KaiserShep]

He is willing to allow himself to be killed if he starts turning into a demon, and begs Solas to bind him to prevent him from being bound by the Venatori. 

 

Of all the characters, I think he is the one most in touch with how dangerous he has the potential to be and wishes more than anyone else not to be what he can become. 

 

My Qunari Mage at the very least could take solace in the fact that, despite his powers over other people's minds, he was actively looking for ways to help others, from the wounded soldiers who fought at Haven to that woman who was blaming herself for Pierre's death. 

 

Sure, but none of this factors into the actual decision of whether or not he should be allowed to stay. The real trouble I have with Cole is that the reasons for him to remain varies with the story path. If you took the Templar route, it's a bit easier since he actually helped, but on the mage side, he basically shows up out of nowhere and there's little reason to really trust him.

 

The impression I got out of her in her personal quest implied otherwise to me, she just brutally started attacking the guy while I was talking to him.

 

One misconception I had about this scene was that it comes out of nowhere, because some complaints on BSN kind of painted it that way, but Sera basically gives a final warning, which you can either heed or ignore.

 

After actually listening to Harmond's dialogue, it's not hard to see why. He basically admits to displacing refugees to better his own wealth, and admits to killing servants for talking about what was going on, then blames them for their death, and is pretty much casual about the whole thing like it's A OK. On top of this, he just had some innocent, unarmed guy murdered right in front of them. Frankly, I'd see his skull being crushed in by a freshly crafted kneepad as a pretty good thing. Fortunately for Harmond, I had the nobility perk unlocked.

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

Sorry if this has already been written by someone else, I didn' read all comments, but...

 

That noble had just killed Sera's friend in cold blood, throwing a knife in his back. If someone killed a friend of mine in front of me I'd kick him to death too.

 

I love Sera, she's a commoner who hates powerful people and tries to help the little people. She despises the elves who keep feeling different from the shems, because she knows city elves are not the only victims of society, there are also many, many humans who are 'little people' and suffer because of nobles. To Sera people are just people and the only distinction she makes is 'powerful and arrogant' vs 'little and helpless'. She may look shallow at first, she makes dirty talk and stupid jokes but she's very profound and has ideals. 

 

I am grateful to all the people willing to join the Inquisition. They are all men and women willing to risk their lives to help the cause, all willing to fight for the greater good. I am their leader, they deserve my loyalty and respect, if not friendship. They trust me, and if a random noble kills one of my friend's friend in front of her, I am supposed to side with her, not with the random noble.

 

Some despise Blackwall for what he did to his men, and then what do they do? Exactly the same to him, letting him rot in jail. Why? Because he accepted a contract in the Grand Game and the noble who hired him lied to him about the target. He's one of your men and, as Cullen said, he bled for your cause and fought alongside the Inquisition .

 

Is classism cool nowadays?  Dorian’s nasty comments about commoners don’t upset anyone, so many people defending the poor Callier against 'Rainier the monster' without understanding that the real monster is the Grand Game and nobility’s lust for power, people hating Sera for hating nobility and her tale about having been ‘in her bones hungry’ getting totally ignored… must I assume the internet population in general and the DA fandom in particular is mostly made by wealthy people?

[dragonflight288]

 

 

If you took the Templar route, it's a bit easier since he actually helped, but on the mage side, he basically shows up out of nowhere and there's little reason to really trust him.

 

Beyond him showing up and warning us of the attack, reading Roderick's mind and helping us discover a way to get as many people out of Haven as possible and essentially save the Inquisition and then helping the wounded while discussing with Solas, Cassandra and Vivienne what he is and whether we should recruit him, you mean?

[Pierce Miller]

Risk vs. reward is a case for all companions that you recruit, be it Cole, Sera, or Zevran, etc.. Cole might be potentially more useful (I disagree), but just the same, he turns out not to be. As for manners and respect, Cole is easily the most troublesome in this regard, because of his unique ability to violate the minds of others and discuss people's thoughts openly, or even act upon them how he sees fit. This is even more ironic when you consider that if his disposition is bad enough, he will mind-rape the Inquisitor and wipe all memory of himself.

 

But the original point I was making is that "making sense" when it comes to the companions we pick up is generally irrelevant. Not all companions have arcs that tie into the story, or have dispositions that any given player will care for. In the end, whether or not a character makes sense is greatly outweighed by how much we like or hate the character. Anyone who really likes a character is far less likely to care.

 

Take Jack in Mass Effect 2. Can anyone really give a good solid, non-metagame-y reason to put this psychotic super-biotic aboard a high-tech warship that's on a crucial mission to save the galaxy? I sure can't, but you don't have a choice either, since she can't be gotten rid of unless you make the wrong choice in the suicide mission.

You're an Inquisitor though, violating the minds of others in order to find their secrets is pretty much the job description. Whereas Sera promises she can help and we're just meant to believe her without proof.

[dragonflight288]

You're an Inquisitor though, violating the minds of others in order to find their secrets is pretty much the job description. Whereas Sera promises she can help and we're just meant to believe her without proof.

 

She helped track down an enemy of the Inquisition that not even Leliana and Varric with their own spy networks knew about, and she managed to break into the equipment shed of the enemy forces. 

 

True, she stole the breeches and not the weapons, but that is proof that she has skills, contacts, and has access to information we have a harder time getting because she moves in different circles. 

 

That's how my Inquisitor saw her. 

[KaiserShep]

Beyond him showing up and warning us of the attack, reading Roderick's mind and helping us discover a way to get as many people out of Haven as possible and essentially save the Inquisition and then helping the wounded while discussing with Solas, Cassandra and Vivienne what he is and whether we should recruit him, you mean?

But he shows up at the gates after the Inquisition is alerted. As for Roderick, he didn't really need Cole to convey this information, since he was still alive to do it himself. Cole did help him back into the Chantry, however, so I'll grant that.

[Wulfram]

Well, the Warden in Lothering is arguably in more desperate straits than the Inquisition is, which can help justify taking on board the various loonies.

[KaiserShep]

Well, the Warden in Lothering is arguably in more desperate straits than the Inquisition is, which can help justify taking on board the various loonies.

Oh I can see it now:

 

Screaming Chasind: WE CANNOT FLEE! WE CANNOT FIGHT! WE ARE DOOMED!

 

Warden: Hey, you there, ranting madman. Want to join my group? I can use all the help I can get.

 

Screaming Chasind: MY AX IS YOURS, AND FOR FREE, FOR CURRENCY WILL NOT SPARE US THE SUFFERING TO COME!

 

Warden: Welcome aboard!

 

[subsequent romance dialogue]

 

Screaming Chasind: I NEVER KNEW LOVE UNTIL NOW! SUCH CARNAL DELIGHTS WERE ALWAYS THOUGHT TO BE A MYTH!

 

[Morrigan from a distance]: If that buffoon does not cease his shouting I will sear the skin off of his nethers.

[Rel Fexive]

You're an Inquisitor though, violating the minds of others in order to find their secrets is pretty much the job description. Whereas Sera promises she can help and we're just meant to believe her without proof.

 

....You mean like everyone else?  All the other characters you recruit, with their own agendas that are probably or definitely being served by helping the Inquisition in some way?  Or the ones whose "help" extends to nothing more than "I can hit things!" But, of course, it's Sera  isn't it, so we should demand proof from her  but not from anyone else

[FadelessRipley]

Oh I can see it now:
 
Screaming Chasind: WE CANNOT FLEE! WE CANNOT FIGHT! WE ARE DOOMED!
 
Warden: Hey, you there, ranting madman. Want to join my group? I can use all the help I can get.
 
Screaming Chasind: MY AX IS YOURS, AND FOR FREE, FOR CURRENCY WILL NOT SPARE US THE SUFFERING TO COME!
 
Warden: Welcome aboard!
 
[subsequent romance dialogue]
 
Screaming Chasind: I NEVER KNEW LOVE UNTIL NOW! SUCH CARNAL DELIGHTS WERE ALWAYS THOUGHT TO BE A MYTH!
 
[Morrigan from a distance]: If that buffoon does not cease his shouting I will sear the skin off of his nethers.

*bursts out laughing* Oh my Maker, such a missed opportunity there!

So could anyone explain to me how Leliana could have ever been considered a valuable teammate when you first meet her, I mean what were her qualifications in that first conversation. She was a sister and the maker talked to her, yep definitely companion material. Just making a comparison with the need to justify Sera, I personally love Leliana and would recruit here no matter what but I don't see any logical reason to choose Leliana over Sera.

Hmm. Interesting. It's obvious that Leliana is my favourite of all companions, bit I was one of the people insisting that Sera fans leave metagaming aside and strictly RP in the moment, so I'll practice what I preach.

I've actually played through Lothering just let week, which helps. Leliana displays a calm attitude and attempts to diffuse the situation. When this fails, she joins the fight and proves she has skills. My Warden is slightly baffled as to how a Chantry sister is so good with blades. The vision stuff makes her pretty wary. She's tempted to turn her down, but when Leliana pleads with her, she relents. Crazy vision stuff aside, she was pretty level headed during the row in the pub, and she's undoubtedly a good fighter. The Warden does feel she needs all the help she can get. And Leliana is far more justifiable at first glance than Sten, whom I also recruited.

Now compare this to Sera... In my opinion, even with the Maker vision stuff, Leliana makes a lot more sense than Sera. She's pretty calm and rational. I was extremely confused by Sera's chattering, and wasn't too clear what was going on with the ambush. Sera didn't make much sense with her explanation and seemed rather unstable. That would be the differences between the two for me, as a Leliana lover and Sera non-hater.

[sjsharp2011]

I found it hard to warm to Sera - she was the only BioWare character I could never really take to. Now please, Sera fans, hear me out and don't shiv me.  The first scene where I met Sera, my initial reaction was "...what?" I literally hadn't a clue what she was talking about. That, and the fact she ambushed me and killed a bunch of people...   I think I get what they were trying to do - have a quirky anarchist type character. Personally, I think they overdid the "quirky" part and it fell pretty flat. My pre-game ambition to romance her went completely out the window. 
 
Now, I have never turned away or lost a companion, ever, so I was determined to try. So I got to know her a bit. While I am still no closer to understanding the Friends of Red Jenny than I was in Origins ( ), she grew on me. If you actually have conversations to her, she's interesting enough. The pranks side quest was really fun - a bit of ridiculous nonsense to lighten the mood of the weight of the world being on the Inquisitor's shoulders. Practically speaking, she's my second archer after Varric and is pretty well skilled. 
 
I really get why you'd want to ditch her, but it's worth giving her a shot if you want a full companion set.

yeah I kept her in my first playthrough she is a fun character. in my current playthrough I chose to boot her out after she kicked that guys head in. My inquisitor is trying to set a good high standard for her people in the world of Thedas and she felt after seeing Sera do that that Sera would undermine everything she was attempting to accomplish therefore felt she had no choice.

[draken-heart]

Here is how I justify Sera:

 

Elf mage: likely not

Elf warrior/Rogue: We may not get along, but as long as she is honest, and I do not romance her, whatever

Human/Qunari Mage: Whatever

Human warrior or rogue: She seems useful

Qunari warrior/Rogue: Good with a bow, pointy ears, stays with group

Dwarf warrior/Rogue: "I worked with a criminal organization that kills people over bad business deals, so who am I to judge what some elf does."

[Raiil]

But Sera has an organization that she can bring to the table and at the time we really have no idea how powerful it is but it's there. I don't know, maker talking vs zaniness kind of a wash for me. Sera is also awfully good with that bow. Plus how many people have we brought in worse than Sera, Sten kills a family because he lost his sword, Oghren's a drunk, how good of an idea is it to awaken Shale with what we knew at the time. I guess it's easy for me to accept Sera as much as any of the other's, don't know if knowing that she was going to be my Inquisitors's lover had anything to do with it. Really I could say the same for Leliana the only reason I accepted her was because she was so pretty. Shallow I know. but really that's my point I think Leliana is accepted more because of Li status.

 

 

It's always going to come down to your Warden's mindset. My canon Warden told Leliana to ****** off, and take her Maker cursed weirdness with her, same as Wynne. My Inquisitor is a little more welcoming, but I don't know how long Sera will last in her canon playthrough- I may tell her to leave after the march on Verichel.

 

 

And anyways, Sera and Leliana are both LI's so I don't get that point.

[Basement Cat]

So could anyone explain to me how Leliana could have ever been considered a valuable teammate when you first meet her, I mean what were her qualifications in that first conversation. She was a sister and the maker talked to her, yep definitely companion material. Just making a comparison with the need to justify Sera, I personally love Leliana and would recruit here no matter what but I don't see any logical reason to choose Leliana over Sera.

Easy: my travelling companions at the time are a whiny (sorry Alistair) ex-templar and a cranky witch who constantly bicker. And a dog. The cheerful if loopy redhead is a very welcome addition.

[Serza]

Easy: my travelling companions at the time are a whiny (sorry Alistair) ex-templar and a cranky witch who constantly bicker. And a dog. The cheerful if loopy redhead is a very welcome addition.

 

...and more, eventually...

[Basement Cat]

...and more, eventually...

And then it's all butterflies and eyelashes.

 

Anyway, I think Sera shows her worth in her intro: she kills the guy as soon as he outs himself as your enemy and she helps against the reinforcements. As for her personal quest, it's been said above but the March was organized to counter the fighting nobles' actions. People were getting hurt already and she didn't immediately go to 'let's kill all the nobles!' She tried an intimidation tactic instead. It didn't work, but points for effort. The March was essentially organized to tell the nobles to 'knock it off, or else'. One of them didn't heed the warning and possibly gets his faced rearranged for his trouble.

 

Speaking of her beating the guy to death: the jerk just murdered somebody in front of her and didn't spare the poor guy a second thought. Instead he complains about the cost of Sera's 'meddling'. During the whole conversation he's all 'me me me' and acts condescending. Sera has several outbursts (arsebiscuit, frigging user, etc.) before she gets violent, and he doesn't pay attention to it. She does tell us that she's getting fed up with the guy (Tell this snot-splash no already! Not saying again.).

 

So no, it doesn't come out of nowhere.

[Raiil]

And then it's all butterflies and eyelashes.

 

Anyway, I think Sera shows her worth in her intro: she kills the guy as soon as he outs himself as your enemy and she helps against the reinforcements. As for her personal quest, it's been said above but the March was organized to counter the fighting nobles' actions. People were getting hurt already and she didn't immediately go to 'let's kill all the nobles!' She tried an intimidation tactic instead. It didn't work, but points for effort. The March was essentially organized to tell the nobles to 'knock it off, or else'. One of them didn't heed the warning and possibly gets his faced rearranged for his trouble.

 

Speaking of her beating the guy to death: the jerk just murdered somebody in front of her and didn't spare the poor guy a second thought. Instead he complains about the cost of Sera's 'meddling'. During the whole conversation he's all 'me me me' and acts condescending. Sera has several outbursts (arsebiscuit, frigging user, etc.) before she gets violent, and he doesn't pay attention to it. She does tell us that she's getting fed up with the guy (Tell this snot-splash no already! Not saying again.).

 

So no, it doesn't come out of nowhere.

 

Conversely, one may sympathise with her anger but also wish to question the people she kills for more information.

[Serza]

And then it's all butterflies and eyelashes.

 

Anyway, I think Sera shows her worth in her intro: she kills the guy as soon as he outs himself as your enemy and she helps against the reinforcements. As for her personal quest, it's been said above but the March was organized to counter the fighting nobles' actions. People were getting hurt already and she didn't immediately go to 'let's kill all the nobles!' She tried an intimidation tactic instead. It didn't work, but points for effort. The March was essentially organized to tell the nobles to 'knock it off, or else'. One of them didn't heed the warning and possibly gets his faced rearranged for his trouble.

 

Speaking of her beating the guy to death: the jerk just murdered somebody in front of her and didn't spare the poor guy a second thought. Instead he complains about the cost of Sera's 'meddling'. During the whole conversation he's all 'me me me' and acts condescending. Sera has several outbursts (arsebiscuit, frigging user, etc.) before she gets violent, and he doesn't pay attention to it. She does tell us that she's getting fed up with the guy (Tell this snot-splash no already! Not saying again.).

 

So no, it doesn't come out of nowhere.

 

I can't like this enough times, but...

 

Where does my signature go on this...?

I mean, uh... It's a petition to tell all the haters they're wrong, right?

[Basement Cat]

Conversely, one may sympathise with her anger but also wish to question the people she kills for more information.

She is impulsive, definitely. Her intro tells us that from the get go. The first opportunity if missed, but afterwards... We can always rely on Sera acting rashly, so it helps to be prepared for that (the nobility perk).

 

We could turn that mission into a PSA for education: stay in school kids!

[Raiil]

She is impulsive, definitely. Her intro tells us that from the get go. The first opportunity if missed, but afterwards... We can always rely on Sera acting rashly, so it helps to be prepared for that (the nobility perk).

 

We could turn that mission into a PSA for education: stay in school kids!

 

 

Lol, I always take those 'education' perks so it's not a big deal. Sera kind of carries an attitude that she has a problem with authority, though, so I don't blame people for being hinky around her. I think she's an excellently well written character... but she annoys the hell out of me, too, and I dislike her.