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[rashie]

One misconception I had about this scene was that it comes out of nowhere, because some complaints on BSN kind of painted it that way, but Sera basically gives a final warning, which you can either heed or ignore.

 

After actually listening to Harmond's dialogue, it's not hard to see why. He basically admits to displacing refugees to better his own wealth, and admits to killing servants for talking about what was going on, then blames them for their death, and is pretty much casual about the whole thing like it's A OK. On top of this, he just had some innocent, unarmed guy murdered right in front of them. Frankly, I'd see his skull being crushed in by a freshly crafted kneepad as a pretty good thing. Fortunately for Harmond, I had the nobility perk unlocked.

And that's where the insane bit comes into play. Only mentally unstable individuals start to attack people  not being aggressive just because they do not want to listen to what they have to say for 5 minutes.

[Serza]

And that's where the insane bit comes into play. Only mentally unstable individuals start to attack people  not being aggressive just because they do not want to listen to what they have to say for 5 minutes.

 

Oh, you do the sort of stuff Harmond did...

 

Thanks. I'm always happy when people label me as "mentally unstable" - maybe because I take termination of individuals such as Harmond as a good thing.

[rashie]

Oh, you do the sort of stuff Harmond did...

 

Thanks. I'm always happy when people label me as "mentally unstable" - maybe because I take termination of individuals such as Harmond as a good thing.

I didn't. Perhaps I didn't emphasis the bit about attacking him just because someone is talking to him bit enough.

[Basement Cat]

And that's where the insane bit comes into play. Only mentally unstable individuals start to attack people  not being aggressive just because they do not want to listen to what they have to say for 5 minutes.

'Insane' is such a vague term though. Do you mean she has no grasp on reality? Or that she has some kind of disorder? If the latter I can agree. Then again, most of the Inquisition's inner circle seem to have mental health problems.

 

Cullen and Iron Bull suffer from PTSD. Cassandra and Sera have anger issues. Leliana and Varric have depression. Vivienne has a superiority complex. Blackwall has an inferiority complex.

 

The others mostly seem ok, and two of them are special cases (Solas and Cole).

[Serza]

I didn't. Perhaps I didn't emphasis the bit about attacking him just because someone is talking to him bit enough.

 

Doesn't matter he's talking to someone. Bosh'tet was literally ASKING for it.

 

Oh, also, he attacks the "Jennies" on behalf on both himself, AND THE INQUISITION. JESUS H FUTHAMUCKING CHRIST, DIE ALREADY, AND NEVER ATTACK ANYONE ON MY BEHALF WITHOUT MY FRIGGIN' CONSENT, YOU DEAD PIECE OF CRAP!

[In Exile]

The person she kills is quite obviously trying to kill you, and she risks her own life in the middle of an ambush. She seems like a bit of a nutter when you meet her but that's not necessarily a reason to turn down help.

[In Exile]

And that's where the insane bit comes into play. Only mentally unstable individuals start to attack people not being aggressive just because they do not want to listen to what they have to say for 5 minutes.

You mean like every PC in an RPG can do? I think people are just bothered because Sera stepped out of line and didn't ask permission.

[dragonflight288]

I have a question. 

 

What is worse, Leliana killing that sister in the Chantry despite the Inquisitor asing her not to or Sera butting into the conversation and beating that noble to death?

[KaiserShep]

And that's where the insane bit comes into play. Only mentally unstable individuals start to attack people  not being aggressive just because they do not want to listen to what they have to say for 5 minutes.

 

I considered his demeanor to be irrelevant, because his only reason for no longer being aggressive is that his entourage was defeated and he only has bargaining to save himself. From Sera's perspective, his walking away is not an option after what he's done, no matter how civil he may try to act. Of course, his fate depends on whether or not the Inquisitor can come up with an acceptable alternative, like taking away his power indefinitely or simply take it upon him/herself and partner up. It becomes painfully obvious that she's going to act if the Inquisitor is insistent on dillydallying playing 20 questions in the woods. Interestingly though, it's the dawdling and her impatience to get rid of him that makes her act, because can tell him to flee and she won't kill him, even though by all rights she could have simply stuck his ass with an arrow anyway.

 

He outright murders someone in front of the party, admits to killing servants that talked to the Jennies, and casually admits to displacing refugees to increase his own wealth, and in an amusing bit of gall, tried to compare himself to the Inquisitor, as if what he was doing helped the both of them. Anything he had to say beyond that point was essentially worthless.

[Ryzaki]

Sera killing that guy is exactly why I kicked her out. Perfect justification really. Someone raging and not listening to orders can get people killed on a battlefield and Sera wasn't worth the risk in their eyes. That eyerolling "angry face" when they got back to Skyhold was the cherry ontop really.

[KaiserShep]

Technically, she wasn't ordered not to kill him.

[Rel Fexive]

And it wasn't a battlefield.

[Krypplingz]

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From Sera's perspective, his walking away is not an option after what he's done, no matter how civil he may try to act. 

-snip-

 

Unless the Inquisitor tells him to "Just get out of my sight". Then he just walks off. And Sera totally cool with that. (Well angry face >:C).  No knife in the back, no punch, no arrow in the neck. ^{_{My Isalath greatly disapproved}}

 

Really, she only kills him if the Inquisitor insist on wasting time talking to him. Either seize his lands, partner with him or tell him to hop off. Just get on with it already! There are demons that need arrows!

[TEWR]

The person she kills is quite obviously trying to kill you, and she risks her own life in the middle of an ambush. She seems like a bit of a nutter when you meet her but that's not necessarily a reason to turn down help.

 

"Nutter" however depends entirely on you view things. She speaks in a commoner's parlance, not eloquent with words but still able to deliver the basic premise. She's uneducated, but nothing in her conversation told me that she was crazy. Immature, given her love of her own little prank and other comments, but that's about it.

 

now if she was saying she loves how they gurgle when she kills them.... that would be another matter.

[Serza]

Unless the Inquisitor tells him to "Just get out of my sight". Then he just walks off. And Sera totally cool with that. (Well angry face >:C).  No knife in the back, no punch, no arrow in the neck. ^{_{My Isalath greatly disapproved}}

 

Really, she only kills him if the Inquisitor insist on wasting time talking to him. Either seize his lands, partner with him or tell him to hop off. Just get on with it already! There are demons that need arrows!

 

See? Perfectly reasonable.

 

Also, I like your avatar... So many potential ways to interpret...

*deploys smoke screen and withdraws*

[Sifr]

Technically, she wasn't ordered not to kill him.

 

Yeah, but you normally expect someone to manage to have enough self-control to not flip out and kick someone repeatedly in the head, until their brain probably has started to resemble and have the consistency of a particularly viscous soup?

 

The argument that we need to remind her not to murder people is frankly ludicrous, because far more often that is the type of order you'd expect from a villain or evil organisation to give their psycho-for-hire, as their underlings are so used to killing people as being par for the course?

 

The only time that's ever told to someone on the heroes side is if we're dealing with spies, where it's expected since it tends to be a far more morally ambiguous line of work? We see that with Leliana and that we're given multiple options with her to assassinate people on the war-table and in her cutscenes, which can lead to her gradual descent into villain-protagonist territory if we're not careful?

 

But a Robin Hood-type figure, if that indeed is the kind of hero Sera thinks herself to be or is meant to reflect, should never have that level of moral greyness to them? They can be an anti-hero certainly and I'll concede that it's more realistic that such a character would not be content to simply trick or outwit their equivalents of the Sheriff of Nottingham, Guy of Gisbourne or Prince John if they made their lives a living hell... but stooping to outright murder to remove those antagonists, would probably be going too far?

 

Sera should be better than that and I want her to be better than that...

 

But that scene as presented, doesn't make me think that she is half the hero and champion of the poor and downtrodden that she thinks herself to be? Instead, it seems our first estimation was probably right on the ball, that she's "a thief who acts out petty revenge fantasies?"

[Vanth]

I agree with the OP but she is not as bad as Zevran. I never once let Zevran live.

[Sifr]

I agree with the OP but she is not as bad as Zevran. I never once let Zevran live.

 

But in Zevran's defence, after his mother's death, he was sold into slavery, tortured and conditioned into becoming a child soldier for the Antivan Crows, before murdering his lover and signing up for a suicide mission against the Warden because he wanted to die? He might be unrepentant about his past or his line of work, but that's only because he had no choice in doing what he did? His only regret being Rinna, because of their relationship and that he only learned after killing her for betraying the Crows, that she'd been innocent the entire time?

 

After Sera lost her parents, she was raised by someone who, by accident or design, caused her to develop self-hatred about being an elf, as well as a major chip on her shoulder? Rather than deal with any of her problems or negative feelings, something we repeatedly see with her character, she decided to instead take her anger out on other people and uses nobles as a convenient target to vent?

[WildOrchid]

After Sera lost her parents, she was raised by someone who, by accident or design, caused her to develop self-hatred about being an elf, as well as a major chip on her shoulder? Rather than deal with any of her problems or negative feelings, something we repeatedly see with her character, she decided to instead take her anger out on other people and uses nobles as a convenient target to vent?

 

Sometimes it's not easy for some to just get over it like this, and in Sera's case it's not, apparently. But she does admit in the cookie scene that she wants to move on, to change.. she is still trying. I think she just needs more time. She's still young and has a lot to learn and deal.

[Sifr]

 

Sometimes it's not easy for some to just get over it like this, and in Sera's case it's not, apparently. But she does admit in the cookie scene that she wants to move on, to change.. she is still trying. I think she just needs more time. She's still young and has a lot to learn and deal.

 

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to imply that her childhood wasn't tough, Origins hammered it home that living as an elf in Denerim is not a picnic, so I can only imagine that a young elf living outside the alienage was even harder as they're be far more likely to earn the ire of humans? Just that Zevran had a far raw deal in comparison with the Crows, as even the fringe benefits were just to distract them from the gilded cage they were in?

 

Sera realising that she wants to change and let go of the past is a nice step in the right direction. The cookie scene was a rare moment of self-realisation from her (the other being the part in the romance where she unwittingly admits to loving the Inquisitor), something that I wish we'd seen more of?

 

I feel like her character has the most potential to grow out of the characters, much in the same manner as Jack from ME, who had a very similar arc? Hopefully any DLC or appearance of her in future game will allow her the chance to mature and gain more perspective?

[LeBurns]

@ Sifr

 

Those may be reasons (not good reasons, but reasons none the less) why they behave the way they do, but you are not exactly given that information when you first meet them.  I know it's a game and I'll find some reason to play everyone in multiple play-throughs, but for now I'm just role-playing.

 

(why can't I do quotes in this forum?  I click the quote button and no quote.    )

[Jaison1986]

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to imply that her childhood wasn't tough, Origins hammered it home that living as an elf in Denerim is not a picnic, so I can only imagine that a young elf living outside the alienage was even harder as they're be far more likely to earn the ire of humans? Just that Zevran had a far raw deal in comparison with the Crows, as even the fringe benefits were just to distract them from the gilded cage they were in?

 

Sera realising that she wants to change and let go of the past is a nice step in the right direction. The cookie scene was a rare moment of self-realisation from her (the other being the part in the romance where she unwittingly admits to loving the Inquisitor), something that I wish we'd seen more of?

 

I feel like her character has the most potential to grow out of the characters, much in the same manner as Jack from ME, who had a very similar arc? Hopefully any DLC or appearance of her in future game will allow her the chance to mature and gain more perspective?

 

I second that. I would love to see Sera going down an similar path to Jack. I hated Jack in ME2. I thought she was an jerk that liked using Miranda as an scapegoat for her hatred because TIM was out of reach for her. I never expected her to grow on me as much as she did in ME3.

[Sifr]

 

Those may be reasons (not good reasons, but reasons none the less) why they behave the way they do, but you are not exactly given that information when you first meet them.  I know it's a game and I'll find some reason to play everyone in multiple play-throughs, but for now I'm just role-playing.

 

True, Zev and Sera both suffer from introductions where you're set up to mistrust them and given no real reason to have them join your group?

 

Origins handled it far better than Inquisition, as your party would comment on the recruitment of various people when the topic came up, so you got to hear what everyone thought before you made your decision? I wish we'd gotten that in Inquisition, as you'd think that some of the people we're picking up would have garned some kind of scene like that?

 

Dorian and Cole are the only two we actually get this for, which is weird when you figure that no-one seems to have any objection to our decision to hire an Elven Robin Hood and a Qunari James Bond? Cassandra is annoyed when we hire smugglers, but has no problem with vigilantes and foreign spies, what's the logic in that?

[Ryzaki]

Technically, she wasn't ordered not to kill him.

 

Common sense would dictate you don't kill someone in the middle of a conversation particularly when they're still giving information of value. I barely tolerated Varric doing it and I actually liked him. It did also really help that Gaspard's stupid apprentice had been wrung out of all value by that point.

 

 

But that scene as presented, doesn't make me think that she is half the hero and champion of the poor and downtrodden that she thinks herself to be? Instead, it seems our first estimation was probably right on the ball, that she's "a thief who acts out petty revenge fantasies?"

 

Quizzy apparently is a decent judge of character.