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[jlb524]

Just don't recruit her then.

[LeBurns]

I played a Qunari FemInquisitor, so maybe it was just my ego being stroked.  Yes, I see your point now, sorry. In a strict RP mindset, taking her along seems almost as crazy as she does. However, as previous posters have mentioned, using strict RP immersion recruiting Sten seems completely nuts. He's possibly the most obvious example. Though even my beloved Leliana has a question mark - a Chantry sister, really? Even one who seemingly has badass fighting skills, which raises even more questions...now you did address that point well, but you see what I mean? You could argue that the Blight had more of a sense of urgency than the Inquisition by the point you meet Sera, but even so. 

 

It's entirely your choice, and no one is entitled to slate you for taking an instant dislike and never recruiting a character (but they will, oh yes they will... ). However, if you're like me and like to do a Pokemon an collect them all, then chances are you might warm to her. 

 

I always do enough play-throughs to get them all eventually.  Sera is just sticking me with this one.

[BraveVesperia]

But then he would have been in the right to have done so, since Sera made the first move by attempting to use the FoRJ to undermine him? Wouldn't that mean the death of her agents, the ambush of the Inquisitor and her would have likewise be the result of combat and it's consequences?

 

Sera struck first, so the fault lies with her, but she takes it out on him because she doesn't want to admit that she got her people killed?

I wouldn't absolve the nobleman of guilt that easily. The guy he killed could barely be called an agent. He was a random unhappy guy, complaining in a tavern because that nobleman was getting people killed with his political manoeuvring. If anyone 'struck first' it would be the nobles trampling over other people for getting in the way of their power game.

[FadelessRipley]

Well if you want to strictly RP in-the-moment and not think of the "bigger picture", based on that initial scene it seems your best bet is to simply leave her be. If you want to know if you should give her a chance, I would personally say yes. Remember, you can always kick her out later. 

 

One of the reasons I came to like her is her politics, as it were. I don't get along well with anarchists IRL, and my PCs obviously reflect my own ideas and beliefs somewhat. A lot of Sera's ideas and actions made me go "WTF???", but yet she made sense in a lot of ways. She's out for the underdog, which I admire. Once you eventually get her trust and learn more of her past, you do begin to understand her better.

 

She's a bit more complicated than the simple lunatic she appears in the first scene, I guess is what I'm saying.

[Serza]

She found out a threat, gathered sufficient amounts of intelligence, and terminated said threat with extreme prejudice.

 

Oh, and had fun in the process. My kinda gal.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 For me, it was a shortage of rogue skills. I had only Varric. If, for some reason, he was made unavailable, I could be in trouble. Yeah, she seemed like she could be a pain in the rear, but at times you have to put up with those people if the need is there. Besides, it's a leader's responsibility to keep his men in-line (within reason).

 

 

I found her a lot easier to justify than Cole.

[Serza]

Right Sera is not the first DA character to mete out violence on people but she is the most judged for it. Gonna start a thread on Blackwall? I thought not.

 

HOOYAH!

[FadelessRipley]

Right Sera is not the first DA character to mete out violence on people but she is the most judged for it. Gonna start a thread on Blackwall? I thought not.

 

You can't exactly argue with this, OP. Is it possible Sera is more harshly criticised because we don't know her beforehand, and when we meet her she's a little hard to fathom? I personally found Leliana slitting Natalie's throat the worst act of violence in the game, and I've adored her since Origins. I've seen all sorts of justification for it, but to me, even a hardened Leliana wouldn't/shouldn't do that. Are Sera's actions worse taken in context of other characters...?

[KaiserShep]

And she risk her "friends" lives to pull the entire scheme then justify her action with "they were already being hurt" as an explanation on how her getting servant or low level people getting hurt and killed is acceptable. To be fair, as much as we think that noble deserve it, what Sera did only prove that she's on the same level as him, she's no better than him. She's pretty much a huge hypocrite IMO.

 

That's not really how that works. Sera can't make anyone snitch on whatever noble's got their ire, since the Red Jenny thing is totally opt-in. That guy who got killed in Crestwood was either careless or the noble was savvy enough to catch on to the shenanigans by whatever means he had at his disposal. She will even tell you about the danger involved. "Don't bet your life unless you're into that."

 

As for Harmond, he was hurting people over a land squabble, so she's right that people were already being hurt. Without any intervention, he would likely have continued to do so, only someone among his help hated him enough to want something done about it, like that fire-tossing dipstick she killed in Val Royeaux. Since I didn't care to dillydally around with that jerkface, I just seized his land and made him unhappy, and everyone wins.

[raging_monkey]

You can't exactly argue with this, OP. Is it possible Sera is more harshly criticised because we don't know her beforehand, and when we meet her she's a little hard to fathom? I personally found Leliana slitting Natalie's throat the worst act of violence in the game, and I've adored her since Origins. I've seen all sorts of justification for it, but to me, even a hardened Leliana wouldn't/shouldn't do that. Are Sera's actions worse taken in context of other characters...?

imo most the inquisitor are killers its just sera got the short end of the hockey stick and is judged harshly cause "its the internet"

[Fiery Phoenix]

How about you recruit her for, y'know, fun? That sounds like the best possible justification for a video game character to me.

[FadelessRipley]

How about you recruit her for, y'know, fun? That sounds like the best possible justification for a video game character to me.

She is certainly fun. The pranks made me genuinely laugh. My Inquisitor very nearly got dumped by Josie, I'd wager! 

[Shechinah]

(to The Loyal Nub) Blackwall has had a lot of criticism directed towards him for what he did, it's been discussed in a lot of threads if I recall correctly. Characters get critically viewed all the time regardless of who they are or what they've done.  

[Forsythia77]

At any time? I didn't know that. I just meant this boot mechanic... which is somewhat like dismissing people in DAO. 

 

I remember accidentally telling Dorian to go once, and he put up a fight... he started begging to just be able to stay and be useless on the sidelines. I didn't carry it further.

No, you have to actively get Dorian to dislike you to give him the boot.  I don't know about Cole.  But with Sera you can literally kick her out at any time regardless of how friendly you are, which is bizarre.  If I'm on friendly terms with her why would I want to boot her out? If I could boot anyone this play through it would be Viv since I'm playing a pro-rebel mage mage.  But you cannot boot her at all.  She just rearranges your furniture in a passive aggressive kind of way.

[Serza]

(to The Loyal Nub) Blackwall has had a lot of criticism directed towards him for what he did, it's been discussed in a lot of threads if I recall correctly. Characters get critically viewed all the time regardless of who they are or what they've done.  

 

THE WALL didn't get HALF the sh*t Sera does.

[The Loyal Nub]

You can't exactly argue with this, OP. Is it possible Sera is more harshly criticised because we don't know her beforehand, and when we meet her she's a little hard to fathom? I personally found Leliana slitting Natalie's throat the worst act of violence in the game, and I've adored her since Origins. I've seen all sorts of justification for it, but to me, even a hardened Leliana wouldn't/shouldn't do that. Are Sera's actions worse taken in context of other characters...?

 

I was thinking after I posted this that a stronger case I could have made was using Leliana instead of Blackwall. Leliana will slit a Chantry sister's throat from ear to ear even if you tell her not to do it (and depending on what you've told her earlier) and her justifications for it afterwards are stomach churning at best. Sera's actions made sense given the context and what led up to them. I've had a harder time figuring a justification for what Leliana does especially as it warns you as to how she might turn out as Divine.

[raging_monkey]

THE WALL didn't get HALF the sh*t Sera does.

worst i heard was "he was irredeemable and deserves to rot in jail"

[KaiserShep]

No, you have to actively get Dorian to dislike you to give him the boot.  I don't know about Cole.  But with Sera you can literally kick her out at any time regardless of how friendly you are, which is bizarre.  If I'm on friendly terms with her why would I want to boot her out? If I could boot anyone this play through it would be Viv since I'm playing a pro-rebel mage mage.  But you cannot boot her at all.  She just rearranges your furniture in a passive aggressive kind of way.

 

Cole requires strong disapproval too, and he gives the Inquisitor a memory wipe to boot. As for Sera, it's sort of like in Origins, where you can tell Leliana to get lost even if you're her friend. The dialogue option disappears once the romance starts though. It does annoy me a little that a disapproval-heavy Vivienne can do what she wants and you can't do anything about it, even though you lead a military organization.

 

And as for Leliana, you have to love the swift execution style XD

 

Like, take Butler. Wasn't she the least bit curious who he was working for? I mean, she's the spymaster. You'd think she'd want to know this.

[Wulfram]

I get the impression Blackwall isn't discussed so much because not many people would defend what he did.  Including Blackwall himself.

The argument you can have with Blackwall is whether redemption is possible for him, but few would say he was right.

 

Well, also he's a lot less annoying.

[Shechinah]

(to Serza) Blackwall has been accused of being a rapist, a stalker and a general creep amongst other things. If you look at the #blackwall critical tag on Tumblr you can see he still gets a lot of criticism and that's not even going into the threads on the forums where he has been discussed.   

[KaiserShep]

It's hard to really remember Blackwall in these sorts of discussions, because he's just a bit too boring. The only truly interesting thing about him is that plot twist.

[Wulfram]

No, you have to actively get Dorian to dislike you to give him the boot.  I don't know about Cole.  But with Sera you can literally kick her out at any time regardless of how friendly you are, which is bizarre.  If I'm on friendly terms with her why would I want to boot her out? If I could boot anyone this play through it would be Viv since I'm playing a pro-rebel mage mage.  But you cannot boot her at all.  She just rearranges your furniture in a passive aggressive kind of way.

 

Just because Sera approves of you and your actions, doesn't mean you approve of Sera.  There's no option to go "Inquisitor Greatly Disapproves" on her.

 

Options to boot people out really shouldn't depend on approval.  Though I agree it's odd that Sera gets treated differently.

[Qun00]

Meh, there is worse.

People have a knack for blowing every little thing Sera does out of proportion.

[raging_monkey]

Meh, there is worse.

People have a knack for blowing every little thing Sera does out of proportion.

its the internet

[Shechinah]

(to Wulfram) Although that would be both amusing and incredible satisfying.

 

Vivienne: "Plaidweave, darling, truely?"

*The Inquisitor Slightly Disapproves*

 

Dorian: "Drank all the wine, terribly sorry".

*The Inquisitor Disapproves*

 

Solas: "..."

*The Inquisitor Greatly Disapproves*

Solas: I haven't even said anything-

Inquisitor: "I know what you did."

 

Varric: And the dragon turns around and starts chasing after the Inquisitor who is flailing like a headless chicken-"

*The Inquisitor Greatly Disapproves x2*

Varric: "I really need to find out how they keep knowing"