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[TK514]

I recruited her because that terrible singer in my bar needs someone to hit on.  I think the only thing Sera and I agreed on the entire game was that we both hate that song.

[BansheeOwnage]

 I think I get what they were trying to do - have a quirky anarchist type character. Personally, I think they overdid the "quirky" part and it fell pretty flat. My pre-game ambition to romance her went completely out the window.

Me too. She'd be like Alistair, they said. THEY LIED TO ME.

 

Anyway, to the OP: I can't think of a good non-meta reason to recruit her either. I'm a completionist, so I tend to always recruit everyone, but I think it's crazy for the Inquisitor to recruit her from an in-universe perspective, especially given the fact that the Inquisitor probably knows nothing about the Friends of Red Jenny. She's even crazier than Leliana, and my least favourite companion. Period.

[Shechinah]

I suppose you could say that because you have so few allies in the beginning, you'd need whoever you can get as long as they are capable and can be of some use to the Inquisition so Sera's claim of a peasent and servant network is worth giving her a try.   

[ComedicSociopathy]

Me too. She'd be like Alistair, they said. THEY LIED TO ME.

 

Anyway, to the OP: I can't think of a good non-meta reason to recruit her either. I'm a completionist, so I tend to always recruit everyone, but I think it's crazy for the Inquisitor to recruit her from an in-universe perspective, especially given the fact that the Inquisitor probably knows nothing about the Friends of Red Jenny. She's even crazier than Leliana, and my least favourite companion. Period.

 

Sera and her Red Jennies were able to track down an enemy of the Inquisition that even your spies hadn't been able to discover. Also, her Red Jenny war table missions are also pretty useful to the Inquisition. 

[KaiserShep]

Did anyone mention the jar of bees? I like the jar of bees.

[The Loyal Nub]

Did anyone mention the jar of bees? I like the jar of bees.

 

Ha! I love how well that works in game too and it's classic comedy! Genuinely funny people those BioWare cats! 

[SmilesJA]

Another day another Sera thread huh? I recruited her because I needed more man/woman/elf/dwarf/qunari power for my Inquisition. I really didn't care how she acted. (though she did annoy me sometimes.)

[Sifr]

Cole-weak crazy demon without any use, and with mindless and lore breaker powers who work on Seeker Cassandra, Solas and Inquisitor, especially in place like Skyhold for no reason

 

Cole's powers aren't exactly lorebreaking as there's probably a difference between harmful mind control like that used by demons and blood mages, or the harmless type that Cole is doing that merely makes people forget about him? Unlike a demon or a blood mage, Cole is not actively trying to control anyone to act against their will, all he does is gives people the helpful nudge they need in the right direction, a helpful bit of advice or help ease any pain they might feel?

 

Similarly, in the novel Asunder, Lambert wasn't able to see him without the Litany of Adralla, but he was on some level aware of his presence beforehand at several points, showing that Seekers are at least somewhat resistant to his abilities?

 

We also have no actual evidence that his powers even work on Solas, as when the group discuss him in the courtyard in Skyhold (on the Mage path), he's the one who points him out to the rest, suggesting that he might be able to see him regardless? This would also be borne out with Solas is able to make Cole forget when he nearly spills the beans on his true idenity, as well as how he's able to somehow pass on a message post-game?

 

As for why it works on the Inquisitor, why shouldn't it? Aside from the Anchor, you're essentially no different than anyone else in Thedas and would easily be affected by Cole's abilities? Same with Skyhold, why would being their not make people forget him eventually?

 

[BansheeOwnage]

Sera and her Red Jennies were able to track down an enemy of the Inquisition that even your spies hadn't been able to discover. Also, her Red Jenny war table missions are also pretty useful to the Inquisition. 

Anything on the War Table doesn't count here, because we're looking for non-meta reasons to recruit her. As in, as soon as you meet her. As for the threat, I think I if it was real life, I probably would have awkwardly said "Uh, thanks. I'll be going now." Because I think her attitude would be much more of a detriment to my goals than anything else. She consistently kills people whom I'd prefer to capture alive, both for justice's sake and for information. She's short-sighted. Even the devs said as much in her bio.

[Handsome Jack]

Ha! I love how well that works in game too and it's classic comedy! Genuinely funny people those BioWare cats! 

 

Bioware's not been funny for several years.

[BansheeOwnage]

You can't exactly argue with this, OP. Is it possible Sera is more harshly criticised because we don't know her beforehand, and when we meet her she's a little hard to fathom? I personally found Leliana slitting Natalie's throat the worst act of violence in the game, and I've adored her since Origins. I've seen all sorts of justification for it, but to me, even a hardened Leliana wouldn't/shouldn't do that. Are Sera's actions worse taken in context of other characters...?

I agree. That actually made me sick for quite a while after. All because I chose the "Remain Silent" option... and she does the exact same thing with Felix! I don't understand how people can like Leliana when she does stuff like that. And both times, you can order her to stand down! What the hell is the point of being Inquisitor if your advisors don't listen to you? The worst part is, you can't even call her out on it, like you can with Sera, at least. Bioware just makes your Inquisitor like her. Sorry, I know I'm ranting, but I've never written this, so there. Out of my system.

[KaiserShep]

I wanted to argue that the Days of Future Past Leliana was brutally tortured and such, thus giving me reason to give her a pass on Felix, but I can't help but feel that present day Leliana would have done it too lol

[Sifr]

I agree. That actually made me sick for quite a while after. All because I chose the "Remain Silent" option... and she does the exact same thing with Felix! I don't understand how people can like Leliana when she does stuff like that. And both times, you can order her to stand down! What the hell is the point of being Inquisitor if your advisors don't listen to you? The worst part is, you can't even call her out on it, like you can with Sera, at least. Bioware just makes your Inquisitor like her. Sorry, I know I'm ranting, but I've never written this, so there. Out of my system.

 

Although Future Leliana who kills Felix does have the excuse that she's spent the last year getting horribly tortured, experimented on and having parts of her skin removed, after Alexius discovered that she's one of the lucky ones in Thedas who happen to be more resistant to the taint and hoped to use her tissue and skin grafts to help delay Felix's ghoulifcation... so there's a reason she's so nutty and stab happy?

 

Not so much if you don't talk her down from killing Natalie or Butler earlier in the game though, then she's kinda suffering sanity slippage?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Anything on the War Table doesn't count here, because we're looking for non-meta reasons to recruit her. As in, as soon as you meet her. As for the threat, I think I if it was real life, I probably would have awkwardly said "Uh, thanks. I'll be going now." Because I think her attitude would be much more of a detriment to my goals than anything else. She consistently kills people whom I'd prefer to capture alive, both for justice's sake and for information. She's short-sighted. Even the devs said as much in her bio.

 

There's only two times that she can kill someone without your prompting. The Orlesian mage when you first met her and Lord Harmond. In the former case, yes, she kills him when you could of questioned him, but to be fair he was trying to kill at the time and its possible that he would have just fought you and Sera to the death. In the case of Lord Harmond though, you can totally stop her from killing him if your Inquisitor uses the Nobility perk that renders him powerless and allows you take all his lands. Sera's totally fine you taking people alive just as long as you ensure they get punished for their crimes against the little people. You could also just decide to ally with him before Sera really starts to get peeved, which she'll disapprove of but ultimately accept. 

 

She's not completely uncontrollable and having another spy network for free is really useful, especially at the start of the game when the Inquisition has few allies. 

[BansheeOwnage]

There's only two times that she can kill someone without your prompting. The Orlesian mage when you first met her and Lord Harmond. In the former case, yes, she kills him when you could of questioned him, but to be fair he was trying to kill at the time and its possible that he would have just fought you and Sera to the death. In the case of Lord Harmond though, you can totally stop her from killing him if your Inquisitor uses the Nobility perk that renders him powerless and allows you take all his lands. Sera's totally fine you taking people alive just as long as you ensure they get punished for their crimes against the little people. You could also just decide to ally with him before Sera really starts to get peeved, which she'll disapprove of but ultimately accept. 

 

She's not completely uncontrollable and having another spy network for free is really useful, especially at the start of the game when the Inquisition has few allies. 

Yes, it's not as bad with the mage, but still avoidable I think. Especially if you bring Cassandra, she should be able to deny his magic and you should be able to capture him. That makes me miss the companion-specific special options from DA2. As for Hammond, I didn't know that, and I have the perk, so I guess I'll make use of it. Obviously it still irks me to death that she would have killed him, though. As much as Paragon/Renegade interrupts could be clunky, I thought that would have been a perfect time to use one, to pull Sera off him - or not.

[Khione]

It truly depends on the kind of Inquisitor you're playing for, I suppose. Do you recruit all those that would pledge to your cause, regardless their background? (kind of like the Wardens taking anyone willing to fight) Or maybe don't really care who you take along as long as they pull their weight? Multiple routes to justify taking her along I think.

 

My Lavellan's first impression of Sera wasn't the greatest (especially the "elfy" comment but she disregarded it) but she figured Sera genuinely wanted to help and figured "why not? One more eccentric wouldn't hurt." My Quizzy enjoyed spending time with her, playing pranks on the Inquisition and eating cookies on rooftops. The only bump in the road was Sera's opinion on elves after the Temple of Mythal thing, but that wasn't enough for my Inquisitor to kick her out.

 

Now that's all speaking from RP point of view. As a player, I still like her character but the whole "I don't like anything 'elfy'" bit got old really quick. If it just wasn't for that, I'd like her a whole lot more.

Plus, I didn't think taking Zevran along wasn't so weird. Maybe it's because my Warden hardly took much seriously, especially people trying to kill her. Sten, on the other hand, is a bit of a head-scratcher but maybe she'd justify it as simply needing the man power, only being a band of four at the time.

[Ryzaki]

That's if you take the templar path. 

 

Which is why I said that?

[jlb524]

We're saying this before a likely batch of DLC hit between May and next Christmas. 

 

Eh, DLC probably won't change anything XD

 

A Sera-centered DLC...I can see the internet's reaction now.   

 

Hahahaha oooh yeah, that will never happen but the reaction would be great.

[Malthier]

Bioware's not been funny for several years.

 

Yet they're still so much funnier than you are.

[brisingr90]

I took her in because I want to see all the stories this game can give me. Even though later in the game, I kept thinking whether I should kept her or not. :3

 

The only thing that makes Sera unreasonable is that she didn't believe in magic and mythical things. She assumed that everything that mythical like Gods, magic creatures, ancient beings, spirits, the Fade, etc are all demons/demons works. Sometimes I just want to punch her in the face and left her in the Fade so she'll understand that those are real (in DA world). 

[MissMayhem96]

In my first play through I found Sera hard to understand, but since it was my first playthrough I wanted to recruit everyone so I accepted her offer.

However, it wasn't until my third or fourth playthrough I started to really understand what she did in her personal quest. I tried to listen to the Noble and what he had to say and then she kills him. (Quite brutally)

In the follow up conversation my Lavellan was furious with what she did. And I found that what happened at the March was really all Sera's fault and how horrible of a hypocrite she was. I kicked her out right there.

Now I just either reject her outright or role play that since its the beginning of the inquisition's founding that having as many resources and allies as possible is good, but once I'm established at Skyhold I don't really need her "friends" or her crazyness.

[Panda]

So you want to slaughter Zevran straight from the bat, but Sera killing nobles that she knows are shitty and people would like to see gone is insane murder?

[KaiserShep]

Yes, it's not as bad with the mage, but still avoidable I think. Especially if you bring Cassandra, she should be able to deny his magic and you should be able to capture him. That makes me miss the companion-specific special options from DA2. As for Hammond, I didn't know that, and I have the perk, so I guess I'll make use of it. Obviously it still irks me to death that she would have killed him, though. As much as Paragon/Renegade interrupts could be clunky, I thought that would have been a perfect time to use one, to pull Sera off him - or not.

Judging from the Orlesian mage's monologuing, taking him in alive didn't seem to be a likely option. He was blathering about being your enemy and whatnot.

[congokong]

Well, I've been vocal enough in the past on these boards about the absurdity of recruiting Zevran and Sten specifically in Origins. DA:I isn't quite as bad although I see your view. In the defense of recruiting her I'd say that, unlike Zevran, she would presumably not be sleeping right next to you at camp. Nor did she try to kill you although it's hard to see that when she's responsible for breech-less thugs attacking. On my first playthrough I begrudgingly meta-gamed the recruitment a bit because she really comes across as a nutter. Like I said, you're simply having her join the Inquisition; not the bedroll next to yours. Certainly the Inquisition isn't too picky since it's a large entity.

 

I find it harder to justify recruiting Cole honestly; especially on the mage path. On the templar path I'd be extremely weary but after he saved my life I couldn't say "He's too dangerous. Kill him." On the mage path though unless you adore spirits like Solas letting Cole join seems extremely questionable.

 

In conclusion, while DA:I did have questionable recruitments they pale in comparison to Zevran and Sten. It was like Bioware was testing if any amount of risk would deter players from adding a new companion. For many apparently none are refused.

[congokong]

In my first play through I found Sera hard to understand, but since it was my first playthrough I wanted to recruit everyone so I accepted her offer.

However, it wasn't until my third or fourth playthrough I started to really understand what she did in her personal quest. I tried to listen to the Noble and what he had to say and then she kills him. (Quite brutally)

In the follow up conversation my Lavellan was furious with what she did. And I found that what happened at the March was really all Sera's fault and how horrible of a hypocrite she was. I kicked her out right there.
 

How was what happened Sera's fault and made her a hypocrite? An ambitious noble was hurting people by herding them like they were cattle, among other things. Sera, with her limited power as a commoner, came up with a blood-less method to disrupt it. Rather predictably when you think about it, the noble Harmond lashed out quite violently in response by murdering people. He justifies it as them threatening his power (the usual as Zevran says), and blames Sera for making them a threat. For the corrupt like him, not being ambitious if it gets people killed isn't an option.