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[Incantrix]

Pretty sure the only DA character I've ever truly hated was Merril.

Partially because I highly disapprove of blood magic.

[Fireheart]

*snip*.

Ahhh, thanks a lot. I agree this quest should have had more meat to it. I didn't even know it was her companion quest until I had completed everyone else's, but I kept feeling like I was missing Sera's...

[The Loyal Nub]

Sera got a tip from someone outside the Jennies that people were getting caught in the middle of a land squabble between the nobles of Verchiel. Per Cullen's report at the war table, refugees were being displaced deliberately in an attempt to destabilize land claims, so Sera asked to have Inquisition soldiers march through Verchiel to spook the nobles into stopping. Pel Harmond apparently got wind of this and dealt with some of those responsible, and used the guy that sent the tip to set a trap. Basically, the guy was an a-hole that didn't really care what happened to the peasantry while he was engaged in his dispute. If you probe through some of the dialogue (without her killing him) you can point out that he killed Sera's contacts, and he's rather unapologetic in his admission to it. If it was possible for the Inquisitor to do him in personally, I might have taken that option, but using the nobility perk to seize his lands and title is the next best thing.

 

I do think that this quest kind of suffers from how brief it is, though you get enough from reading the war table operation and the subsequent report.

 

I kind of feel like this, which is the best summary of why Sera is not a murderous thug, should be stickied to this board so people can direct the "Sera is an awful cold-blooded killer" crowd right to it when they pop up in threads or create them.

[Zobert]

Sera is 100 million times better than Merrill but in no way, shape, or form as awesome as Morrigan.  If she had a regular accent, not an artful dodger accent people would be all "Sera" ((shrug)).

 

She's okay.  She's not messing with demons and ends up killing the person who raised her.  She's not blowing up chantries using the ingredients you find for her.  She wasn't ever trying to kill you.  She's okay.

[Rel Fexive]

Sera is 100 million times better than Merrill but in no way, shape, or form as awesome as Morrigan.  If she had a regular accent, not an artful dodger accent people would be all "Sera" ((shrug)).

 

She's okay.  She's not messing with demons and ends up killing the person who raised her.  She's not blowing up chantries using the ingredients you find for her.  She wasn't ever trying to kill you.  She's okay.

 

She doesn't have an artful dodger accent - her VA isn't cockney, she's from Derbyshire.

[Zobert]

She doesn't have an artful dodger accent - her VA isn't cockney, she's from Derbyshire.

 

Yeh, I was referring to the thread on her.

[Rel Fexive]

Yeh, I was referring to the thread on her.

 

There was talk of changing the title a little, but that seems to have been forgotten now...

[Raiil]

I kind of feel like this, which is the best summary of why Sera is not a murderous thug, should be stickied to this board so people can direct the "Sera is an awful cold-blooded killer" crowd right to it when they pop up in threads or create them.

 

I don't know. Sera has no compunctions about killing people she doesn't like, even if they're not actively attacking her.

 

She annoys me. I don't think she's awful, and I don't know if she's any more cold blooded than an Inquisitor is capable of being, but she does take a certain glee in the idea of being able to kill people she doesn't care for. She's a lot like Iron Bull in that regard, so maybe see how you feel about him.

[stop_him]

Punching women in a video game? Think of the shitstorm if that were to happen!

Tell that to Khalisah al-Jilani:

 

[Teshayel]

Pretty sure the only DA character I've ever truly hated was Merril.

Partially because I highly disapprove of blood magic.

 

Same here. Though it's more the combination between blood magic and her personality. Plus, she wasn't very useful as a party member either. Playing a non-mage Hawke was not fun... No Morrigan... No Velanna... O_0

[KaiserShep]

I don't know. Sera has no compunctions about killing people she doesn't like, even if they're not actively attacking her.

 

She annoys me. I don't think she's awful, and I don't know if she's any more cold blooded than an Inquisitor is capable of being, but she does take a certain glee in the idea of being able to kill people she doesn't care for. She's a lot like Iron Bull in that regard, so maybe see how you feel about him.

 

Eh, the only people we ever get to see her kill on-screen is a shadowy mage that was working against the Inquisition and tried to kill one of its primary agents, and potentially the murderous noble that was happily screwing over refugees and killed whoever got in his way, so it seems like there's at least some sort of standard for who she feels deserves to die or not.

 

I've seen someone mention that the Orlesian mage was apparently an agent of Corypheus, but you only learn that if you deal with him after reaching Skyhold, but I'd like some confirmation on that. I detest waiting a long time to recruit companions, since I like to get as much content out of them as possible, but if that's true, that's really annoying, because it would've been nice to be able to get some hint that there was more to it if you recruited Sera early.

[The Loyal Nub]

I don't know. Sera has no compunctions about killing people she doesn't like, even if they're not actively attacking her.

 

She annoys me. I don't think she's awful, and I don't know if she's any more cold blooded than an Inquisitor is capable of being, but she does take a certain glee in the idea of being able to kill people she doesn't care for. She's a lot like Iron Bull in that regard, so maybe see how you feel about him.

 

 

Eh, the only people we ever get to see her kill on-screen is a shadowy mage that was working against the Inquisition and tried to kill one of its primary agents, and potentially the murderous noble that was happily screwing over refugees and killed whoever got in his way, so it seems like there's at least some sort of standard for who she feels deserves to die or not.

 

I've seen someone mention that the Orlesian mage was apparently an agent of Corypheus, but you only learn that if you deal with him after reaching Skyhold, but I'd like some confirmation on that. I detest waiting a long time to recruit companions, since I like to get as much content out of them as possible, but if that's true, that's really annoying, because it would've been nice to be able to get some hint that there was more to it if you recruited Sera early.

 

I can't feel bad about the people Sera kills in game same goes for anyone else killed (with the exception of a few of Leliana's kills). KShep nails the reasons here and it's that the people Sera offs, even with glee, where not innocents with no trace of blood on their hands. They were without exception very bad people who were preying on the innocent. I don't think Sera kills anyone who it could be claimed is "innocent."

[myahele]

red eyes

 

[TEWR]

Eh, the only people we ever get to see her kill on-screen is a shadowy mage that was working against the Inquisition and tried to kill one of its primary agents, and potentially the murderous noble that was happily screwing over refugees and killed whoever got in his way, so it seems like there's at least some sort of standard for who she feels deserves to die or not.

 

 

Pretty much. She does explicitly tell you that not-so-bad people won't end up dead, and she also elaborates more on what Red Jennies can do. It's not always murder. Could be a pie to the face... or embarrassment in front of their peers, or whatever.

[KaiserShep]

Pretty much. She does explicitly tell you that not-so-bad people won't end up dead, and she also elaborates more on what Red Jennies can do. It's not always murder. Could be a pie to the face... or embarrassment in front of their peers, or whatever.

 

I like that one particular bit of dialogue where she points out that other nobles can be some of the worst that their targets have to face (blaming the slappee).

 

They're sh*ts like that..

[congokong]

I don't know why people would argue Sera is a bad person. Her views are reminiscent of idealistic good; similar to Cole's and Justice's. She sees doing bad things for the "greater good" as an excuse, and often it is. The practical path is often more convenient than truly necessary and she understands that. I admire how she approves of punishing the guilty and disapproves of letting them go/making deals with them. For those against her killing Harmond, she's still a pretty obedient follower to not murder him against your orders when you strip him of his lands or partner with him when she knows he deserves death; also considering he killed her friends.

[Get Magna Carter]

The rich and powerful mistreat and murder the poor - and the law won't touch them for it.

In Orlais, the nobles consider this to be part of their "game" and are happy to pay people to murder peasants as part of their entertainment.

 

So the Red Jennys rise to protest. Sera is acting a vigilante punishing people who consider themselves above the law (at least as far as poor people are concerned).

 

Note - people who order or pay people to murder for them are guilty of murder.

 

In the Inquisition, Sera provides a voice for ordinary people - the ones who work in the fields. who clean the floors, etc.

If these people matter to the Inquisition someone should represent them

None of the others in the Inner Circle do so

(well Cole may randomly pick one to speak for but not particularly well).

 

I think regarding "Blackwall".  He needed the money,  some noble offered money to kill people, he took the money figuring if he didn't someone else would, afterwards he regretted his actions and, while living with the guilt, sought to make up for his misdoings by helping people in need,

 

He's not as bad as "Sten", who lost his sword and then murdered the next people he met because they didn't know where he had lost it and by the time he met the warden he was filled with guilt and regret over his crime of losing his sword... 

[Pierce Miller]

I don't think it makes any sense to have Sera in the party, it's almost like she was intentionally written to antagonise every type of character in some way. I ended up throwing her out after I got a low approval with her and she threatened me. Why would an Inquisitor stand for that kind of behaviour? Especially in an organisation that is so crucial.

[KaiserShep]

Eh, "making sense" is kind of a funny thing when considering the hodgepodge of companions a PC will gather in these stories. I mean, take Cole. He's a mysterious entity that has the power to read minds, blab it all to the world, and wipe people's memories. If ever there was a character that could be considered to be a serious liability, it would be that.

[Pierce Miller]

Eh, "making sense" is kind of a funny thing when considering the hodgepodge of companions a PC will gather in these stories. I mean, take Cole. He's a mysterious entity that has the power to read minds, blab it all to the world, and wipe people's memories. If ever there was a character that could be considered to be a serious liability, it would be that.

That's more a case of risk vs reward. Cole could be potentially far more useful and even though he's from another plane of existence he still learned some manners. The Inquisitor should be treated with respect in order for his/her power to be absolute, something that is essential if Corypheus is going to be beaten. Sera simply can't understand that.

[dragonflight288]

My feelings towards Sera are rather ambiguous and changes from Inquisitor to Inquisitor. For example, my very first playthrough as a Qunari mage absolutely loved having her and looking for the Red Jenny Caches after I accidentally found one in the Hinterlands. You have to have Sera in your party to see them. 

 

As a mercenary, and a vashoth one at that, he had plenty of experience being looked down on and treated like crap out of fear by the ignorant and the fearful, even more so because he was also a mage. But nobles were also likely his client base so he quickly got the noble perk because he would have to know how to talk to his clients. 

 

He enjoyed having someone stand up for the little people and was totally unafraid to speak her mind.

 

However, while playing as a Dalish Elf I found that I actually kind of hated her, especially with her opening introduction where she looks disgusted and says she hopes you're not too elfy. Then she hates magic, and the Dalish, if not revering magic, at least respect it since their Keepers are all mages and he took it as a form of disrespect since he was a mage. And when he learned

Spoiler

that the elven gods actually did exist and walk/nap around thedas today

after the events of the Arbor Wilds and Sera said that all his beliefs and the core of his religion is nothing more than demon worshipping, he (and I) threw a gasket. 

 

She drove Lavellan utterly up the wall, and me along with him. Lavellan had nothing against the City elves. Heck, his clan went on to help Weycome through the War Table Missions and risked their lives to help the city elves and the humans there. But Sera with her total disregard for anything she didn't understand or believe in, to the point of insulting anyone who thought differently, like the mages because their mages and the Dalish because they worship beings that actually do exist, and her comments on the Dalish overall, that my Lavellan kicked her out of the Inquisition after the Arbor Wilds. 

 

She was way too antagonistic about things she doesn't understand and the Inquisitor's people in general that any usefulness she and her 'friends' brought to the Inquisition were no longer needed now that the Inquisition was established. 

 

Then my dwarf came along and somehow, like him, I was completely uncaring about her, not hating her, not loving her, she was just there. 

 

I'm kind of weird that way. 

[Rel Fexive]

That's more a case of risk vs reward. Cole could be potentially far more useful and even though he's from another plane of existence he still learned some manners. The Inquisitor should be treated with respect in order for his/her power to be absolute, something that is essential if Corypheus is going to be beaten. Sera simply can't understand that.

 

Except in all the ways that Sera does understand that, of course.

 

I suspect things would go a lot easier if you'd just say "look, I just don't like Sera, okay?" and stop trying to justify it.  There's really no need.  Just say it, and be done.

[KaiserShep]

That's more a case of risk vs reward. Cole could be potentially far more useful and even though he's from another plane of existence he still learned some manners. The Inquisitor should be treated with respect in order for his/her power to be absolute, something that is essential if Corypheus is going to be beaten. Sera simply can't understand that.

Risk vs. reward is a case for all companions that you recruit, be it Cole, Sera, or Zevran, etc.. Cole might be potentially more useful (I disagree), but just the same, he turns out not to be. As for manners and respect, Cole is easily the most troublesome in this regard, because of his unique ability to violate the minds of others and discuss people's thoughts openly, or even act upon them how he sees fit. This is even more ironic when you consider that if his disposition is bad enough, he will mind-rape the Inquisitor and wipe all memory of himself.

 

But the original point I was making is that "making sense" when it comes to the companions we pick up is generally irrelevant. Not all companions have arcs that tie into the story, or have dispositions that any given player will care for. In the end, whether or not a character makes sense is greatly outweighed by how much we like or hate the character. Anyone who really likes a character is far less likely to care.

 

Take Jack in Mass Effect 2. Can anyone really give a good solid, non-metagame-y reason to put this psychotic super-biotic aboard a high-tech warship that's on a crucial mission to save the galaxy? I sure can't, but you don't have a choice either, since she can't be gotten rid of unless you make the wrong choice in the suicide mission.

[dragonflight288]

Risk vs. reward is a case for all companions that you recruit, be it Cole, Sera, or Zevran, etc.. Cole might be potentially more useful (I disagree), but just the same, he turns out not to be. As for manners and respect, Cole is easily the most troublesome in this regard, because of his unique ability to violate the minds of others. This is even more ironic when you consider that if his disposition is negative toward the Inquisitor, he outright mind-rapes the Inquisitor's mind by wiping all memory of himself.

 

He is willing to allow himself to be killed if he starts turning into a demon, and begs Solas to bind him to prevent him from being bound by the Venatori. 

 

Of all the characters, I think he is the one most in touch with how dangerous he has the potential to be and wishes more than anyone else not to be what he can become. 

 

My Qunari Mage at the very least could take solace in the fact that, despite his powers over other people's minds, he was actively looking for ways to help others, from the wounded soldiers who fought at Haven to that woman who was blaming herself for Pierre's death. 

[Jaison1986]

I don't know why people would argue Sera is a bad person. Her views are reminiscent of idealistic good; similar to Cole's and Justice's. She sees doing bad things for the "greater good" as an excuse, and often it is. The practical path is often more convenient than truly necessary and she understands that. I admire how she approves of punishing the guilty and disapproves of letting them go/making deals with them. For those against her killing Harmond, she's still a pretty obedient follower to not murder him against your orders when you strip him of his lands or partner with him when she knows he deserves death; also considering he killed her friends.

 

I wouldn't argue she is an bad person, but that she is an person with highly skewed views.