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[themageguy]

I put it like this...

"Only a mage would understand what a mage needs"

Hence why I chose Vivienne.

Mundanes who don't know the first thing about magic shouldn't be put into a place of power that commands it. In my opinion, all divines should have been mages.

Vivienne is the epitome of circle magery. She knows just how capable a circle mage is and with her on the throne, she's the best chance of mages being integrated into society during her reign.

Integration is not forced (leliana). It must be done with a calculating and yet delicate hand. Vivienne has both things in check.
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I even supported the Templars just because I felt that between Vivienne and the inquisition "leaning in" on them, they wouldn't mess up again.

That's exactly what i did with my human knight enchanter

[thetinyevil]

My first two playthroughs were Cassandra in the first and Leliana for the first. I preferred Leliana. And if Vivienne ever gets voted Divine in any of my future play throughs I am deleting that playthrough.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Cass for the FTW. Pragmatic and progressive. 

[Sifr]

Vivienne is the epitome of circle magery. She knows just how capable a circle mage is and with her on the throne, she's the best chance of mages being integrated into society during her reign.

 

Doubtful, since the epilogue states that while some mages are given more power and influence, all the real power lies with her. Vivienne's ending basically amounts to only one mage with any kind of political power becoming acceptable in society... namely, herself.

 

All the other mages can be locked up and thrown back into the Circle for all she cares, watched over by the reinstated Templar Order, as she attempts to restore the status quo by force. All the while completely ignoring the reasons that the Mage-Templar war was started in the first place, which regardless of whether one stands on the politics or whether the Circle should or should not exist, proved that the system they had simply does not work?

 

But hey, at least she got a nice seat and more power than she dreamed of out of the deal, so it's not all bad, right?

[Xilizhra]

Cass for the FTW. Pragmatic and progressive. 

I don't consider her either. She just plods along, really.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I don't consider her either. She just plods along, really.

 

She recreates the Circle and the Templars while allowing the College to maintain their freedom. That's pragmatic IMO since she opted to not start a long drawn out war against the College, sparing a whole lot of lives. She's also progressive (not Leliana progressive mind you) since she allowed the College to continue to exist in the first place, free of Chantry influence or supervision, which is something unprecedented in Thedas. 

 

She also turned the Seekers into a force whose main mission is help bring justice to all Thedas instead of focusing on Mage-Templars issues. 

[The Baconer]

She also turned the Seekers into a force whose main mission is help bring justice to all Thedas instead of focusing on Mage-Templars issues. 

 

Yeah, whatever that means, Cassandra.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Yeah, whatever that means, Cassandra.

 

Yeah, Cassandra played the vague "I don't really have a plan" card. 

[Sifr]

Yeah, Cassandra played the vague "I don't really have a plan" card. 

 

As much as I love Cass and believe she's sincere in wanting to dedicate herself to doing "the Maker's work", I do have to question any plan that has as it's most important initial step, basically amount to her shrugging and admitting that, "First we find out exactly what that actually is?"

 

I mean, c'mon Cass, even the Blues Brothers had a more solid mission statement and plan of what they were hoping to achieve ("We're on a mission from God" and saving an orphanage) than you've come up with?

 

[Lady Artifice]

I just had the conversation about this with Vivienne in my current game, and it reminded how much I do not like this part of the story. 

 

I have passed the point of mutinous and moved on to apathetic. 

[Sifr]

I just had the conversation about this with Vivienne in my current game, and it reminded how much I do not like this part of the story. 

 

I have passed the point of mutinous and moved on to apathetic. 

 

What I dislike is how Vivienne's conversations at times seem a little loaded like she was trying to get the Inquisitor to suggest her as a third candidate, using social engineering to con them into thinking it was their idea when actually her planting the suggestion in their head all along? It's not like she's not good enough at the Game to pull that kind of thing off if she wanted to?

 

Of course, all three conversations aren't brilliant, since most of my Inquisitor's don't really care a whit about the Chantry? Being called a heretic and having some Revered Mothers and Clerics attempt to have you executed and/or arrested several times earlier, kind of burned that bridge entirely?

[Qun00]

They're similar in that they believe the current system can work if you improve it.

The difference is that Vivienne is moved by excessive fear likely born from Chantry brainwashing, and her approach is completely tyrannical.

Cassandra, however, comes from a genuine concern for improving the mages' lives and awareness of the system's issues.

As much as I love Cass and believe she's sincere in wanting to dedicate herself to doing "the Maker's work", I do have to question any plan that has as it's most important initial step, basically amount to her shrugging and admitting that, "First we find out exactly what that actually is?"

I mean, c'mon Cass, even the Blues Brothers had a more solid mission statement and plan of what they were hoping to achieve ("We're on a mission from God" and saving an orphanage) than you've come up with?

To be fair, that example comes from a cutscene that wasn't even about being a candidate for Divine.