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[Zobert]

After playing last night and re-dealing with Leliana's desire to murder the hell out of people, I realized that what we're missing is a "Shape yo ass, up or gtfo" option or even a "You're fired" option for these people we have on staff--especially after we're lead Inquisitor.

 

In DA:2 I would have liked the option to not kill Anders (because you need his spirit healer for the battle) but to throw him down and pummel him until he cries for that Chantry business that he HIDES FROM YOU the entire third act.

 

In DA:I I would have fired Leliana right after

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She first tried to murder someone

and I would have wanted the option to pimp slap her after she

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murders Felix so that we have to fight Alexius and waste MORE time

.

 

Its frustrating that you're in charge but you can't fire your staff or promote others to it.  I would have fired Leliana after that mess and hired Sera right in front of her.  This is a military campaign and her personal angst and drama needs to be her own personal angst and drama.

 

I'd be all "Don't let the door hit you on the way out".

[CathyMe]

For me, the most frustrating was not being able to get rid of vivienne, after she acts like a know-it-all hypocritical b****

[ComedicSociopathy]

Firing your advisers would be cool, but there comes the problem of having the game radically change to account for their departure. Like you said, if you get rid of Leliana want or your options for her replacement.

 

Sera, as much as I love her, wouldn't be a good pick for Spymaster. She hates the Game and Machiavellian social manipulation, which are sort of required for the job. She's a good thief and her Red Jennies would be useful informants, but honestly she just doesn't have the cold cunning for the job. Varric would be a bad replacement as well, the man's to much of a softie. 

 

So, yeah, replacement advisers would be awesome not very practical for the narrative of Inquisition.

 

That said, it would be interesting if a Divine Leliana is replaced by someone in DLC. 

[o Ventus]

 

In DA:I I would have fired Leliana right after

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She first tried to murder someone

and I would have wanted the option to pimp slap her after she

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murders Felix so that we have to fight Alexius and waste MORE time

.

 

She was bound and tortured for a year prior to that point. Felix was also mad and insane from the Blight that he was carrying. I think it's understandable that she would be a little angry.

[Wulfram]

Firing someone for something your future self did in future that'll never happen is a bit harsh.  But I would have liked the ability to fire Leliana after her personal quest.

If someone is going to be unfireable, the writers should be more careful not to give the player strong cause to fire them.

[Zobert]

She was bound and tortured for a year prior to that point. Felix was also mad and insane from the Blight that he was carrying. I think it's understandable that she would be a little angry.

 

Yes, be angry...don't **** **** up for the rest of us.  She didn't know we'd beat Alexius. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

For me, the most frustrating was not being able to get rid of vivienne, after she acts like a know-it-all hypocritical b****

 

They really should of given us the option to kick any companion we wanted out of the Inquisition. Yeah, Sera can be annoying and racist, but Cole's possibly a demon, Varric lies about Hawke, Iron Bull's a spy, Dorian's a Tevinter noble whose presence weakens the Inquisition image and Vivienne can be a total ******.

[FadelessRipley]

She was bound and tortured for a year prior to that point. Felix was also mad and insane from the Blight that he was carrying. I think it's understandable that she would be a little angry.

Yep, agreed. In Hushed Whispers is the one place I CAN accept her being completely unhinged. Who wouldn't be? Firing the advisors simply wouldn't be practical, due to lack of replacements. Love or hate what she's become in Inquisition, no one is better for the Spymaster job than Leliana, at least in game. I wouldn't see Cullen or Josie behind easily replaced either tbh.

[LadyLaLa]

Well, OP, when she ordered the death of that spy, the only power you had was the title of Herald. As one of the co-founders, you wouldn't have been having the power to kick her out.

 

As for the Felix business, that was an alternate timeline, where she'd been tortured and experimented on. I doubt she was holding to many strains of sanity at that time

[o Ventus]

Yes, be angry...don't **** **** up for the rest of us.  She didn't know we'd beat Alexius. 

Be bound and tortured for a full year and see if you hold on to your sanity.

[The Loyal Nub]

"You moved my furniture?? GUARDS!!! *hands Vivienne a cardboard box* Escort this snooty piece of work back to Val Royeaux!! We'll mail you your last months wages your highness!!"

[Zobert]

Yep, agreed. In Hushed Whispers is the one place I CAN accept her being completely unhinged. Who wouldn't be? Firing the advisors simply wouldn't be practical, due to lack of replacements. Love or hate what she's become in Inquisition, no one is better for the Spymaster job than Leliana, at least in game. I wouldn't see Cullen or Josie behind easily replaced either tbh.

 

Cullen and Josie aren't psychotic. 

[Zobert]

Be bound and tortured for a full year and see if you hold on to your sanity.

 

I also wouldn't take a bound and tortured woman with me for those very reasons.  But she also was pretty murder-y before we even got to the future version of her, so...

[ThePhoenixKing]

I totally get where you're coming from, OP, but I think the developers didn't let the player eject people from the Inquisition (Sera being the notable exception) for the same reason that the Murder Knife is effectively absent. If either option existed, half of the people in the Inquisition would be fired/brutally shanked to death by the time you reached Skyhold.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yeah i know your pain leliana thanks to her writers pet status have massive plot armor even nastier one than tallis.

 

When to be honest other advisors don't cause problems whether you like them or not leliana can disobey our orders without any consequences not to mention that her writers pet status goes so far that she can threaten us and we have to deal with it when there should be sane option to execute her for betrayal.

[Khione]

I think it would be a nice option but imagine if someone got a little too trigger happy and fired nearly all the important people of the Inquisition? You'd be left with scraps that are scared they'll be let go next if they spill the Inquisitor's coffee (I know, silly example). Though I'm sure BW wouldn't let you dig yourself that deep of a hole.

 

Plus, I feel if Leliana could be fired the Inquisition would likely fall apart or just not perform as effective without her network. Just give an option to push for more respect/loyalty, she can listen to reason as shown by her softening process. Since it seems like Leliana's "disobedience" is the main culprit here.

[thats1evildude]

She was bound and tortured for a year prior to that point. Felix was also mad and insane from the Blight that he was carrying. I think it's understandable that she would be a little angry.

Future Leliana also doesn't exist anymore.

[Eliastion]

Yeah i know your pain leliana thanks to her writers pet status have massive plot armor even nastier one than tallis.

 

When to be honest other advisors don't cause problems whether you like them or not leliana can disobey our orders without any consequences not to mention that her writers pet status goes so far that she can threaten us and we have to deal with it when there should be sane option to execute her for betrayal.

I bet your post would be more meritoric if you used "writers pet" two or three times more in these two sentences.

 

Although it IS true that disobeying a direct order during her personal quest is just sloppy writing - that's simply not something a competent spymaster does. Even a disloyal (or at least convinced he knows better than his superior) competent spymaster would off the sister "accidentally" somewhere along the way.

Still, rather than as a proof of her being insane, I'd take it as just that - sloppy writing. "Look how non-compromising she is now" made so that it makes as much sense as tactics of Battle of Ostagar.

Would be much better if her being hardened/softened was reflected in some middle option where you let her deal with the sister however she likes - with order to stop it simply being obeyed (but not necessarily enough to soften her depending on previous choices). Still, her softening mechanics in DA:I are a disaster in more ways than one.

[Excella Gionne]

Mainly the Rogues are the ones that you can kick. Fortunately, I don't recruit those I don't need. I like Vivienne though, although, I hated her attitude when I first encountered her.

[Melca36]

For me, the most frustrating was not being able to get rid of vivienne, after she acts like a know-it-all hypocritical b****

Just don't recruit her.
 

Its a shame she was not at the Winter Palace if your didn't recruit her.  There could have been some great dialogue about not attending her party.

[dongsaeng]

Without Lelianna, who will be your eyes and ears? 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I bet your post would be more meritoric if you used "writers pet" two or three times more in these two sentences.

 

Although it IS true that disobeying a direct order during her personal quest is just sloppy writing - that's simply not something a competent spymaster does. Even a disloyal (or at least convinced he knows better than his superior) competent spymaster would off the sister "accidentally" somewhere along the way.

Still, rather than as a proof of her being insane, I'd take it as just that - sloppy writing. "Look how non-compromising she is now" made so that it makes as much sense as tactics of Battle of Ostagar.

Would be much better if her being hardened/softened was reflected in some middle option where you let her deal with the sister however she likes - with order to stop it simply being obeyed (but not necessarily enough to soften her depending on previous choices). Still, her softening mechanics in DA:I are a disaster in more ways than one.

I used it twice so i don't see problem here i bet if i used "leliana is best character ever" fifteen times in these two sentences you wouldn't have problem...

 

Her disobeying order isn't bad writing as it wouldn't be bad thing how it is executed is bad writing because game don't allow us to react properly on her crap.In the end it doesn't matter because it isn't out off character and we can't react that in proper way.

 

 

 

Without Lelianna, who will be your eyes and ears? 

Any other spymaster that would be sane and loyal?

   

[dongsaeng]

Any other spymaster that would be sane and loyal?

   

I can't really think of any Spymaster that fits the job at hand other than Leliana for the Inquisition, she has a larger network and is very skilled in the The Game. even Varric states so.

[jlb524]

Can I fire the inquisitor?

[TheKomandorShepard]

I can't really think of any Spymaster that fits the job at hand other than Leliana for the Inquisition, she has a larger network and is very skilled in the The Game. even Varric states so.

You want to tell me leliana is only spymaster that exists? right... i can bet there is plenty people in thedas that could replace her easily and do better her function that she is.