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[Rekkampum]

After playing last night and re-dealing with Leliana's desire to murder the hell out of people, I realized that what we're missing is a "Shape yo ass, up or gtfo" option or even a "You're fired" option for these people we have on staff--especially after we're lead Inquisitor.

 

In DA:2 I would have liked the option to not kill Anders (because you need his spirit healer for the battle) but to throw him down and pummel him until he cries for that Chantry business that he HIDES FROM YOU the entire third act.

 

In DA:I I would have fired Leliana right after

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She first tried to murder someone

and I would have wanted the option to pimp slap her after she

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murders Felix so that we have to fight Alexius and waste MORE time

.

 

Its frustrating that you're in charge but you can't fire your staff or promote others to it.  I would have fired Leliana after that mess and hired Sera right in front of her.  This is a military campaign and her personal angst and drama needs to be her own personal angst and drama.

 

I'd be all "Don't let the door hit you on the way out".

 

So, hypothetically, you want to pimp-slap a woman who survived a year of agonizing starvation and torture while refusing to give in to Corypheus?

 

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Did we forget that Felix was practically a zombie when she killed him? You can't possibly fault her for wanting to get even with a guy who'd basically destroyed the world in pursuit of some fanatical nostalgia.

 

That said, you can intervene, and she'll eventually soften up if you do this consistently.

[FadelessRipley]

One of writers/devs admited that leliana was his favorite and things that i said wasn't "outright fabrications" don't even go there pal because pretty much things like being abused in that series or extereme flatterry in dai to ridiculous epilogue aren't any fabrications those are things in game.
 
I already had disscusion above and pointed reasons...
 
 

Sadly couldn't find site where i found that so i can't give you quote.

Your argument is slightly weaker, then, I'm sorry. All writers have favourites. Which writer? How much impact/input did he/she have in the overall story? Was it actually Cheryl Chee herself, or one of the other writers?

To your other points:

"Extreme flattery" - is the fact Baron Plucky doesn't want to pluck her eyes out a serious example? A spymaster relying on a Hogwarts-style postal system would need an affinity with birds, I would think. Or the fact Morrigan praises her spy network? Leliana has softened towards Morrigan, too. Some people think she was being mean with her "she used to be so disagreeable..." line, but come on - much as I love her, Morrigan WAS a b***h at times and Leliana and Alistair bore the brunt!

Her choice for In Hushed Whispers future sequence - alright, maybe. I don't think it was especially problematic. She and her spy team accompanied Quizzy and Dorian and it went ****** up. I concede, possibly Cullen would have been fitting either. Josephine no - ambassadors don't go trekking around the field.

Epilogue - I have issues with all Divine epilogues tbh, but I admit Leliana's softened one is problematic. She's no stranger to "the game" and does have a knack for persuasion outside of the more violent methods of her bard past. The Chantry is desperate for stability, and her relationship to the previous Divine plus Inquisition support lends her credence I expect. I honestly expect this epilogue to be the one most likely to blow up in our faces, tbh. The epilogues are for that moment in Thedas' history, not forever more.

You've still not convinced me that Leliana had no place in the overall story, given the direction it took (Conclave etc). If you want to say they've based the whole story around her, then fair enough. I personally don't think the overall premise of the story was bad. The problems I have are around smaller written arcs of characters and pacing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Your argument is slightly weaker, then, I'm sorry. All writers have favourites. Which writer? How much impact/input did he/she have in the overall story? Was it actually Cheryl Chee herself, or one of the other writers?

To your other points:

"Extreme flattery" - is the fact Baron Plucky doesn't want to pluck her eyes out a serious example? A spymaster relying on a Hogwarts-style postal system would need an affinity with birds, I would think. Or the fact Morrigan praises her spy network? Leliana has softened towards Morrigan, too. Some people think she was being mean with her "she used to be so disagreeable..." line, but come on - much as I love her, Morrigan WAS a b***h at times and Leliana and Alistair bore the brunt!

Her choice for In Hushed Whispers future sequence - alright, maybe. I don't think it was especially problematic. She and her spy team accompanied Quizzy and Dorian and it went ****** up. I concede, possibly Cullen would have been fitting either. Josephine no - ambassadors don't go trekking around the field.

Epilogue - I have issues with all Divine epilogues tbh, but I admit Leliana's softened one is problematic. She's no stranger to "the game" and does have a knack for persuasion outside of the more violent methods of her bard past. The Chantry is desperate for stability, and her relationship to the previous Divine plus Inquisition support lends her credence I expect. I honestly expect this epilogue to be the one most likely to blow up in our faces, tbh. The epilogues are for that moment in Thedas' history, not forever more.

You've still not convinced me that Leliana had no place in the overall story, given the direction it took (Conclave etc). If you want to say they've based the whole story around her, then fair enough. I personally don't think the overall premise of the story was bad. The problems I have are around smaller written arcs of characters and pacing.

Don't blame you sadly i don't gather links of all interviews and info from devs i have read i would able only find 1 i wouldn't be able to find devs comment where they said that warden in trailer isn't hof. But i see one of users gave you link not to that what i meant but close enough,

 

To extreme flattery i refer to extreme flattery that pretty much all characters bring when mentioned from solas, morrigan , cassandra , cullen , sera and so goes pretty much whole dump of them.Pretty much a lot of praising to havens. 

 

Here i don't know what you are talking about to be honest because it doesn't refer to what i have said or at least i don't see connection.

 

Her epilogue is ridiculous hardened or not in second case it is only more ridiculous but to he honest i don't want explain that 10000 times i did that in another thread a lot.

 

I don't need to convince about that i have said 10 times in this thread that pretty much you can explain everything you want in fiction and put "reason" into everything.If i understood what you said about basing story around her then yes pretty much.

[Zobert]

So, hypothetically, you want to pimp-slap a woman who survived a year of agonizing starvation and torture while refusing to give in to Corypheus?

 

Spoiler

Did we forget that Felix was practically a zombie when she killed him? You can't possibly fault her for wanting to get even with a guy who'd basically destroyed the world in pursuit of some fanatical nostalgia.

 

That said, you can intervene, and she'll eventually soften up if you do this consistently.

 

Naww, I fixed that future.  Never happened.  I want to pimp slap a bitter woman that I already spent one whole damn game supporting, flirting with, talking up shoes and suddenly changed without reason into a the type of person who's first response is that death is acceptable.

 

I shouldn't have to soften her up twice in one lifetime.

[FadelessRipley]

Here's one
 
http://www.escapistm...on-Age-2?page=1
 
when people had the option of decapitation they decided not to care and bring her back because they like the character.

Thanking you! Like I said a few times previously, the Sacred Ashes issue is the one thing I totally agree on. It should have been ambiguous, like Morrigan. It was sloppy, and the explanation won't sit with a lot of players. I can't expect it to.

I'm still not convinced "characters we like" necessarily translates as "favourite pet character ever", mind you. As I said earlier, it's their story, their baby. Like it or not, they're entitled. IMO is only a problem if it completely doesn't fit the story - I'm not convinced it doesn't in this case.

If Morrigan's death was seemingly cut and dried, would there be the same argument? If so, then sure, we're in agreement. I'm still more of the opinion this has less to do with writers loving Leliana and more to do with certain players absolutely hating her.

[Zobert]

I liked Leliana.  I have no clue who this redhead crazy person is. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I liked Leliana. I have no clue who this redhead crazy person is.

o.o she was easier to tolerate then at least.

[FadelessRipley]

I liked Leliana.  I have no clue who this redhead crazy person is. 

Blame Justinia, my Warden does. *sigh*

[Master Warder Z_]

Blame Justinia, my Warden does. *sigh*

Why not.

Already blame her for the war, the division of the Chantry and betraying the Seekers and Templars

[FadelessRipley]

Why not.
Already blame her for the war, the division of the Chantry and betraying the Seekers and Templars

I actually liked Dorothea. Then she ruined my bae. Oh yeah, and that other stuff you mentioned.

[Aren]

My first option at the temple of mythal was to destroy the well, but hey no that bi*** of Morrigan stabbed Abelas   in the back......

 so now i was forced to either drink that **** and take the risk or allow her to have more power,  Dejavu.

Are   Inquisitors supposed to be allowed to burn witches?

It's not their job i wonder?

[TevinterSupremacist]

Fire or set them on fire?

[stop_him]

Forget firing--I want the murder knife--so I can apply it to Sera's face.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

No. The companions are already way too peripheral and disposable to the actual plot of the game. More instances on indulging people's puppet master fantasies will only exacerbate that.

[CathyMe]

 

My first option at the temple of mythal was to destroy the well, but hey no that bi*** of Morrigan stabbed Abelas   in the back......

 so now i was forced to either drink that **** and take the risk or allow her to have more power,  Dejavu.

Are   Inquisitors supposed to be allowed to burn witches?

It's not their job i wonder?

 

It's even more annoying if you side with abelas, even tell morrigan to back off, but he still just chickens out like a p****. Although some of it wore off when flemeth put her in her place

 

No. The companions are already way too peripheral and disposable to the actual plot of the game. More instances on indulging people's puppet master fantasies will only exacerbate that.

And here I thought the opposite, what with people complaining that some companion are like aids, once you get them you can't get rid of them

[TheJediSaint]

I got to fire a trebuchet. Much more satisfying.

[DarthLaxian]

Firing your advisers would be cool, but there comes the problem of having the game radically change to account for their departure. Like you said, if you get rid of Leliana want or your options for her replacement.

 

Sera, as much as I love her, wouldn't be a good pick for Spymaster. She hates the Game and Machiavellian social manipulation, which are sort of required for the job. She's a good thief and her Red Jennies would be useful informants, but honestly she just doesn't have the cold cunning for the job. Varric would be a bad replacement as well, the man's to much of a softie. 

 

So, yeah, replacement advisers would be awesome not very practical for the narrative of Inquisition.

 

That said, it would be interesting if a Divine Leliana is replaced by someone in DLC. 

 

Indeed,

 

as much as I would love the option (hell, I wanted Cullen gone before having him in the game - his appearance seemed like fan-service -.- and I still at least partly doubt that he's able to lead large armies (he's a templar and even cities like Kirkwall or countries like Ferelden don't have thousands of them, as much as they are the army of the chantry, they aren't as large as regular armies...and I doubt that most Templars had to deal on the black market for supplies (the chantry after all does provide for its attack dogs, as long as they do what it says at least)), I don't think it's possible to implement now -.-

 

Still, I'd love to be able to recruit more people (and interact with them, send them on missions etc. - the "agents" you get are almost worthless -.-)

 

greetings LAX

ps: at least you have people that could replace Cullen - Cassy for example or Blackwall (SPOILER - I always forget his real name...Tom something), though even they aren't really Generals (would have loved to get a dwarfen general or something like that

[Master Warder Z_]

Kirkwall being the center of Templar power in the east actually had more templars then likely anywhere outside of the Orlesian Empire.

And as adjutant to Meredith Cullen likely has experience in dealing with the logistical and tactical aspect of running a force of several thousand.

My two cents.