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[Dracon525]

Hey guys.

So, one of the characters I tend to play is a "status-oriented" personality, meaning that they'll favour people with status, position, power etc. This also translates into what companions they'll take into their group/party.

For example, in Origins, my team consisteds of Alistair (royal-blooded)(replaced with Loghain (general of renoun), Wynne (senior enchanter) and Sten (military leader (kinda?). DA:2 had Sebastian, a prince, and maybe Varric? (Most of DA2's companions were all pretty low-status lol)

So, how would you rank the companions of Inquisition? At the moment i'm seeing my team as: Vivienne (first enchanter), Dorian (tevinter noble) and Cassandra (right hand of the devine, founder of the new inquisition). I'm not sure about Varric, does he actually have status? Is he a "merchant prince" in the noble sense, or just self-proclaimed? Obviously others like Sera and Cole are just random commoners, and Bull/Blackwall arn't high-ranking enough for the main party.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

and Bull/Blackwall arn't high-ranking enough for the main party.

Hmm, as far as the Inquisitor knows anyway, Blackwall is supposed to be a Warden-Constable. That's, like, the third highest rank one can achieve in the Wardens IIRC.

[Dracon525]

Hmm, as far as the Inquisitor knows anyway, Blackwall is supposed to be a Warden-Constable. That's, like, the third highest rank one can achieve in the Wardens IIRC.

 

Yes, but that doesnt beat the other 3 lol Also don't Wardens technically have no "status", they give up their ties/power to become Wardens?

[Voxr]

I think Varric is pretty high ranking as far as the merchant caste is concerned. Doesn't he say he took over Bartrand's place in the guild? He isn't an elegant flower like Viv or prestigious military personal like Cassandra. But I think it's safe to say he has connections. He's like an underground highroller.

 

Bull is Qunari so status doesn't mean much under the Qun. But he's Ben-Hassrath and a leader of a Merc company.

[Dracon525]

See, I wasnt sure with Varric due to him being a surface dwarf. Wouldn't he have lost any caste status?

And yup, true on Bull. He'll definitely be recruited.

[Potato Cat]

Hmm, as far as the Inquisitor knows anyway, Blackwall is supposed to be a Warden-Constable. That's, like, the third highest rank one can achieve in the Wardens IIRC.

And he has been awarded the Wings of Valour or something. He claims he's a high ranking Warden. That comes with respect and prestige. But I do agree that Cass/Viv/Dorian is the best one for rank and prestige overall.

[Carmen_Willow]

See, I wasnt sure with Varric due to him being a surface dwarf. Wouldn't he have lost any caste status?

And yup, true on Bull. He'll definitely be recruited.

If Bhelen is King in Orzammar, he is working to rid his culture of that division. Plus, the surface Dwarves have their own culture by now, and Varrick explains that he's a businessman, not a merchant. He buys and sells businesses, not merchandise, along with running his own spy ring, etc., so within his own culture, I'd say he's pretty high-up. And he was the Champion of Kirkwall's best friend.

[LadyLaLa]

Cassandra's related to royalty, so she's high up

Viv has the Empress of Orlais' ear

Dorian is the son of a Magister, but he's also a pariah

Varric has a powerful station in the Merchant's guild, even if he doesn't use it much

Blackwall is a Warden, one with high honors

Bull leads a mercenary company and is a Ben Hassrath spy so... he's a somebody, but not much of one

Solas and Cole are no one...ish

and Sera will only bring you down by associating with her, since she's a criminal

 

But that's just the order I'd rank them

[Dracon525]

Yeah, i'm thinking;

Cass/Viv/Dor = Main Party

Bull/Black/Varr = Recruited

Sol/Cole/Sera = Not recruited (in Solas' case, ignored)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Really, of the companions only Cassandra has status as the Hero of Orlais and Vivienne as the Court Enchanter of Orlais. 

 

Cole is a Fade entity most people won't even remember thus no status.

Dorian is a pariah of Tevinter, so has no status. 

Rainier is a war criminal so doesn't have any status. 

Sera only has status among the Friends of Red Jenny. 

Solas as the Inquisitor knows is only a random apostate so no status. 

The Iron Bull is a respected mercenary captain and Ben-Hassrath so has some status. 

Varric is a renowned writer and part of the Merchent's Guild so has some status.

 

So of the companions, Cassandra, The Iron Bull/Varric, and Vivienne have the most status. 

[BronzTrooper]

Vivienne is a First Enchanter, formerly had a position on the Imperial Court, and is Mistress to Duke Bastien, so she has a very high status, especially for a mage.

 

Cassandra is/was the Right Hand of the Divine, Hero of Orlais, and a Pentaghast, though she is very, very far down the line of succession.

 

Varric has a seat on the Merchant's Guild, which is known for being nearly as ruthless as the Game and, possibly, is friends with the former Viscount(ess) of Kirkwall (Hawke) and the Prince of Starkhaven (Seb).  He is also a renowned author, which means he is well known as well as well-connected.

 

Dorian is the son of a Tevinter magister, though he is now a pariah, which severely limits his status, especially in Tevinter.

 

Blackwall (actual Blackwall, not Rainer Blackwall) was a Warden-Constable and has high honors, as previously stated.  Wardens, while having no real authority, are highly respected and are allowed to recruit nearly anyone under the Rite of Conscription.  This would apply to Rainer Blackwall as long as his secret wasn't revealed.  Rainer, while not a Warden and a war criminal, used to be a chevalier, and a captain amongst them, iirc.  Chevaliers have standing in Orlais and, according to Liselle in Denerim (DA:O), they are pretty much allowed to take what they want from the commoners.  However, due his war criminal staus, this freedom is null and void.

 

Iron Bull is the leader of the Bull's Chargers, a highly regarded mercenary company among the nobility, as well as a highly-skilled Ben-Hassrath spy.  He has some standing among the Orlesian nobility and has access to Ben-Hassrath reports, indicating that he is highly-ranked among the Ben-Hassrath.

 

Solas is basically just a random apostate, as far as the Inquisitor knows.  No real status.

 

Cole makes people forget him, not to mention he is a spirit.

 

Sera is a Friend of Red Jenny, so she has some status in the underworld, though none really in the world of the nobility.

 

In order from highest status to lowest status: Vivienne, Cassandra, Varric (Cassandra and Varric may switch if Hawke sided with the Templars), Blackwall pre-reveal, Iron Bull, Dorian, Blackwall post-reveal, Sera, Solas, Cole.  imo, at least.

[daveliam]

Yeah, I have to agree that the only ones that are a lock for high status are Cassandra and Vivienne. 

 

I'd actually put Varric next because he has a seat on the merchant guild, is from a well-established surface family, and is a celebrity of sorts since he's a very popular author (I imagine it would be like having Stephen King with a crossbow in your party).

 

Dorian and Blackwall are questionable.  Dorian's an altus, but he's also an outcast.  I guess it depends on whether your Inquisitor respects Tevinter enough to recognize/appreciate the status that comes with being part of a noble mage line.  Blackwall is a high-ranking Warden, but in general, aren't Wardens mostly seen as criminals and outcasts?

 

Bull, while leader of a merc band, is still a Qunari and a merc.  Not very impressive for a status-seeking Inquisitor. 

 

Solas, Sera, and Cole are all 'nobodies', so they are out. 

[Panda]

I'm not looking status things when choosing characters, it's mostly 1) I think these characters would be intresting in this quest 2) I think these characters fit to quests, if not personally level then topic-wise. Like Orleasian noble things for Vivienne, chantry things for Cassandra etc.

[Patchwork]

Varric is introduced as a desher at the Winter Palace which seems to be the equivalent of a high ranking lord so the surface dwarves have obviously set up some sort of class system despite being free of Orzammar's. Plus he's a renowned author. From the rogue pool Varric's the best you've got.  

 

Vivienne's title of First Enchanter is pretty empty as the circles has been dissolved but she's also a member of Celene's court and the mistress to someone on the Council of Heralds. She wins against an apostate with no sanctioned training and a magister's son who ran away from home. 

 

Blackwall has some status because the real one is a decorated officer but Cassandra's prestige eclipses his.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm not looking status things when choosing characters, it's mostly 1) I think these characters would be intresting in this quest 2) I think these characters fit to quests, if not personally level then topic-wise. Like Orleasian noble things for Vivienne, chantry things for Cassandra etc.

I do the same thing. Whenever I go on a mission I think "Who would make the most logical sense to bring on this mission?" and "Who would this mission have the most impact with?". 

[Dracon525]

I'm not looking status things when choosing characters, it's mostly 1) I think these characters would be intresting in this quest 2) I think these characters fit to quests, if not personally level then topic-wise. Like Orleasian noble things for Vivienne, chantry things for Cassandra etc.

 

 

I do the same thing. Whenever I go on a mission I think "Who would make the most logical sense to bring on this mission?" and "Who would this mission have the most impact with?". 

Good thing this is for me then, and not you guys lol

But yeah, this is just the personality i've chosen for one of my 9 Inquisitors.

[Dracon525]

So, while Dorian is a pariah, he's still actually a noble, right? Like, he can still claim "Hello I am Tevinter man from this family bow down if you please". His father hasn't cut any ties or anything?

And hmm... May have to swap him out for Varric then... I DO need Varric in more of my partys... lol

EDIT: nevermind, just remembered that i'll be romancing Dorian, so he'll have to be in my team lol

[Panda]

So, while Dorian is a pariah, he's still actually a noble, right? Like, he can still claim "Hello I am Tevinter man from this family bow down if you please". His father hasn't cut any ties or anything?

And hmm... May have to swap him out for Varric then... I DO need Varric in more of my partys... lol

EDIT: nevermind, just remembered that i'll be romancing Dorian, so he'll have to be in my team lol

 

You can see more of his family situation in his companion quest, but I'd say that he's still counted as noble.

[BronzTrooper]

Blackwall is a high-ranking Warden, but in general, aren't Wardens mostly seen as criminals and outcasts?

 

Bull, while leader of a merc band, is still a Qunari and a merc.  Not very impressive for a status-seeking Inquisitor.

 

Wardens are generally well-respected, though there are some people (looking at you, Vivienne) who see them as an organization that's no longer necessary and the world wouldn't miss them should they disappear.

 

Bull's Chargers is a well-known and respected merc company, especially among the Orlesian nobility.  Plus, he is part of the Ben-Hassrath and receives reports from them, so he does have some sway in Qunadar.

 

Varric is introduced as a desher at the Winter Palace which seems to be the equivalent of a high ranking lord so the surface dwarves have obviously set up some sort of class system despite being free of Orzammar's. Plus he's a renowned author. From the rogue pool Varric's the best you've got.

 

Deshyr is the term for dwarven nobility in Orzammar, and since many surface dwarves originate from Orzammar, it would make sense for them to stick with using such terms.  Especially if said surface dwarves were originally dwarven nobility themselves.

[Wulfram]

I'd say

 

Cassandra

Varric

Vivienne

Dorian (But higher in Tevinter.  Even if an outcast, he's still a noble outcast)

"Blackwall"

Iron Bull

Sera (Red Jenny's notoriety should count for something)

Solas

Cole

 

Though Vivienne does a good job of appearing to be of higher status than anyone, despite being a mage, not a noble and no longer part of the Court.  And her First Enchanter rank being a little dubious considering the rebellion.  I would say it's in a large part a front, but if you act like you're of high status, and convince others that you are high status, is that the same as having status?

[Lavaeolus]

People have pretty much all uniformly gone for Cassandra and Vivienne, which yeah, is pretty true. Ultimately, the third slot comes down to either Varric or Dorian in my view; "Blackwall"'s also fairly high-up, even though he is a Warden, but not quite enough. Between them, well, both Dorian and Varric are fairly "upper-class". Both are a bit removed from their homelands, though Varric is nominally still tied to it, and even has his own little spy network. Varric probably has the most power, and his status is "official" and on paper he's likely above Dorian.

However, in terms of temperament and fitting in with the whole "high status" party, I'd have to give it to Dorian. Varric is hardly uneducated, and is a writer with a good knowledge of storytelling and its meaning, but his novels are pulp and he spends most of his time at taverns. Dorian, meanwhile, is very academic, with an interest in culture and will insult the Inquisition for its lack of library material. Unlike Varric, Dorian fully intends to return home, working to change while also rejoining his class, while Varric just does stuff to keep the Merchant's Guild at bay and runs around helping his friends -- at heart he's a surface dwarf through and through, while at heart Dorian is still an upper-class Teviner.

Bit of a moot point, of course, considering as you've gone for Dorian regardless for romancing, but hey.