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I have contacts in Canada, England, Brazil, etc. I don't know all of them as personally as some of my local friends so I don't refer to them as such (as friends), but I feel like whenever we talk inevitably "the reason why your country sucks" topic comes up and honestly I never talk politics, I don't keep up with the Jones's or the Kardashians and I could care less what color that damn dress was. I just want to avoid a metaphorical d!ck measuring contest 'so-to-speak' because it seems like it comes up often enough, and I know that responding to a generalization or a national stereotype with another is not the way to go so in the end I usually just end up grinning (gritting my teeth) and bearing it (even though I hate it). 



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Don't mock American patriotism - Americans.

 

Don't say America won WWII or WWI - Europeans, Australians.

 

Being American - Europeans, Middle East.

 

Don't be an ass - Everyone.

 

Advice learn to tease without crossing that line. I call one of my foreign friends German even though he's Dutch and which generally annoys him, but I do it in a teasing manner.

 

And be open-minded.


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I'm guessing you're an American too.

 

Yeah, I've had a girls turn me down for dates because I was American, and took offense to my country being ridiculed. Even if I acknowledge that we have our own problems, I still have a lot of loyalty for my homeland. 

 

To take a quote from Commander Shepard, 'funny thing about Americans; we're a lot more loyal to our country than we let on'. 

 

Now, I just tell them that America can't hear them from the moon. Or Mars. Or the edge of the solar system. 

 

As the guy above me said, don't be an ass. 

 

That said, I have found a bit of a double standard in that aspect before.



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I'm guessing you're an American too.

 

Yeah, I've had a girls turn me down for dates because I was American, and took offense to my country being ridiculed. Even if I acknowledge that we have our own problems, I still have a lot of loyalty for my homeland. 

 

To take a quote from Commander Shepard, 'funny thing about Americans; we're a lot more loyal to our country than we let on'. 

 

Now, I just tell them that America can't hear them from the moon. Or Mars. Or the edge of the solar system. 

Yeah... you won't ever get along with an Australian. We tend to mock everyone.

 

My friends and I had a massive joke fest, which mocked Americans, Brits, French, Kiwis, Tasmanians. Though none of us hate those countries we still mocked it.



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Don't mock American patriotism - Americans.

 

Don't say America won WWII or WWI - Europeans, Australians.

 

Being American - Europeans, Middle East.

 

Don't be an ass - Everyone.

 

Advice learn to tease without crossing that line. I call one of my foreign friends German even though he's Dutch and which generally annoys him, but I do it in a teasing manner.

 

And be open-minded.

See that's what I'm talking about. It's perfectly fine for one of my international friends to say some generalizing or off-color remark all in the name of "humor", but If I do the same then it's wrong all of a sudden and I am bad and should feel bad. I don't feel like getting into d!ck measuring contests about who won what or who did what with whom, but I certainly don't want to play little Mister nice scapegoat anymore...seriously that sh!t's getting old. 



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All countries suck except the Elcor homeworld. Oh, and I have to say something nice about the Volus because they let us use their embassy. And one more thing, how is it that you humans get to be on the council when we still don't have our own embassy? You humans are all racist.



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Americans are loathed the world over
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I make fun of everyone equally. Including my country. So I don't care when someone does it. 



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I make fun of everyone equally. Including my country. So I don't care when someone does it. 

I don't really care either, but i DO care when the other person in the convo repeatedly pushes the issue. 



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Yeah... you won't ever get along with an Australian. We tend to mock everyone.

 

My friends and I had a massive joke fest, which mocked Americans, Brits, French, Kiwis, Tasmanians. Though none of us hate those countries we still mocked it.

 

On the contrary, ask anyone about me, I'm a well known Australophile what it's worth. I lived there for 3 years. I'm rather familiar with the sense of humor. I love it. Mainly because you guys aren't mean-spirited, for the most part. I want to move back after I ETS from the Army. ****, just look at my profile.

 

I'm talking about the people who legit don't like me and judge me for being an American. Unfortunate, and in no way a macro-scale topic, but it happens.


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I don't really care either, but i DO care when the other person in the convo repeatedly pushes the issue. 

 

Indeed, and this is where I think the crux of the matter is. I'm not afraid to push a few buttons for other people, nor am I afraid to poke fun at myself or my country. 

 

There is a line however when it stops being funny. In some ways, it falls under the whole, 'My family sucks, but like hell if I'll let you badmouth them'. 



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I don't really care either, but i DO care when the other person in the convo repeatedly pushes the issue. 

 

If you don't want to push back then I guess all you can do is just ignore them. But if they're being real jerks about it, maybe just not talk to them anymore.

 

I don't know really though. Never been in that situation.



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I'm not the biggest patriot myself, but I remember reading a paper by Thomas Hurka about the subject of being partial to one's own nation: Stealing his example, if your spouse were murdered and then replaced with an identical clone, you would not be happy with this, even if the clone had all the same qualities as your spouse. This shows that you don't love your spouse just because of her qualities, but because of the history that you shared with her. And, Hurka argues, love for one's country is much the same. It's not a matter of your country being the best, it's a matter you having a sense of shared history with other citizens of that country.

 

So hopefully this was useful and didn't just completely miss the point of the discussion. Kthxbye!


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Oh no. 

 

T's disciple.


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If you don't want to push back then I guess all you can do is just ignore them. But if they're being real jerks about it, maybe just not talk to them anymore.

 

I don't know really though. Never been in that situation.

 

You're lucky. I get that a lot. Might be because I'm currently overseas with OIR, serving with several other militaries, mostly Middle-Eastern and European. 

 

Then again, most military folks tend to be the most patriotic of the bunch. I'm not a huge patriot myself, but as Os above put it, you have that residual love for home. At the end of the day, I may want to be an Australian citizen, and I may admire everybody else and be a humanist, but I'm still an American.



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Some of these guys say that they like me because I am "different" like different from the typical fat, ugly, stupid, altogether gross Americans that they're used to and it makes me feel like "oh I'm the runt of the litter" or "sure my country is full of evil devil-worshipping trash but you say I'm different so that's just fine" :rolleyes: . 

 

Oh no. 

 

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Thanks for your helpful input (reaches for ignore button).



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Thanks for your helpful input (reaches for ignore button).

 

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I don't associate or concern myself with people who live on or are from inferior landmasses; other than Eva Green. She can get it.


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I don't associate or concern myself with people who live on or are from inferior landmasses; other than Eva Green. She can get it.

 

Earth is an inferior landmass.

 

The moon is where it's at. We win again, America.

 

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Then again, maybe not so win...

 

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Poor EP.

 

He was only trying to protect us from Zombie T.

 

But that was a great example, EP is rarely serious. He does like to joke around a lot. By dismissing him like that is kinda a jerk move. 

 

And now he shall cry a river larger than his ****.


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Poor EP.

 

He was only trying to protect us from Zombie T.

 

But that was a great example, EP is rarely serious. He does like to joke around a lot. By dismissing him like that is kinda a jerk move. 

 

And now he shall cry a river larger than his ****.

I kind of consider it off-topic rubbish myself. Harmless off-topic rubbish, but off-topic rubbish none-the-less could I ever really put Eternal, the one who started my beloved Dragon's Dogma thread on ignore tho?



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As an American that does tend to get patriotic, and get somewhat vocal about it, my advice is know when to take a joke and know when someone is being an ass.

I honestly never understood this fascination people have with bashing other countries. What do you get out of it? It seems like pointless jealousy. The only time youll see me bashing a country is if im on the defensive. If it is really bothering you, you need to say something. No one should sit by meekly and let themselves get bashed. Say something, stand up for yourself/country.
 

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This is true. Shame really, since Americans have done so much good for the world.

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As an American that does tend to get patriotic, and get somewhat vocal about it, my advice is know when to take a joke and know when someone is being an ass.

I honestly never understood this fascination people have with bashing other countries. What do you get out of it? It seems like pointless jealousy. The only time youll see me bashing a country is if im on the defensive. If it is really bothering you, you need to say something. No one should sit by meekly and let themselves get bashed. Say something, stand up for yourself/country.
 
This is true. Shame really, since Americans have done so much good for the world.

I've just decided to agree to agree to disagree with some/if not all of these guys. I mean not all of them are instigators, and sometimes it's not even outright bashing just talking as though I am ignorant about my own country (and I don't even act like a patriot), which of course replying in kind is a no-no and only escalates the situation. I think In the future I'll just say like; "look do you know everything about America? No. Do I know everything about X? No, so let's just arrange a date to hook-up and pick out some luminescent condoms."



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In my experience, Europeans are 50/50 with Americans. Had one person from Belgium tell me that they can't stand Americans because we're all obnoxious that love to drink, cuss and disrespect others. What a way to generalize. 

9 out of 10 Australians I meet on the internet are actually really nice, I love them tbh.

Always disliked how most the Middle East detests us tbh. I for one have always had a slight obsession about deserts, pyramids, camels, their culture and music. Even took Arabic classes years ago.

 

I've visited a few countries in the past 2 years (meeting BSNers) and I didn't run into anyone disliking me because I am American. But the people in Paris looked like they were terrified of me once I started speaking.

"IT'S AN AMERICAN!"

 

Some of my very very close friends are from all over the world though, so I don't let a little thing like distance or our countries determine my relationship with them. Just remember that ignorance is everywhere, but with out ignorance there wouldn't be cognizance.



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This is true. Shame really, since Americans have done so much good for the world.

With their fair share of bad to be fair.

 

People don't like the idea of America because they tend to act like they have to get involved in everything. I'm talking from a country point of view. There are probably a decent amount that prefer to keep their noses out of everyone's business.

 

America should become a Switzerland... no one cares about the Swiss XD

 

I'm speaking in what I've seen and heard

 

In my experience, Europeans are 50/50 with Americans. Had one person from Belgium tell me that they can't stand Americans because we're all obnoxious that love to drink, cuss and disrespect others. What a way to generalize. 

9 out of 10 Australians I meet on the internet are actually really nice, I love them tbh.

Always disliked how most the Middle East detests us tbh. I for one have always had a slight obsession about deserts, pyramids, camels, their culture and music. Even took Arabic classes years ago.

Middle East society in general detests Western society in general to be fair. I honestly think we all need to GTFO of the middle east and let things sort out for themselves, otherwise we're just going to fester more hate and this world doesn't need more hate unless if your from Tasmania...

 

And fun fact... I'm that 1 out of 10 Australian that Johnnie hates. I'm a horrible person and steal her bread when she isn't looking...


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