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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Well, to be fair we stole that from SA.

Yeah but no one cares about SA, not even SA. If they did, they wouldn't be SA.

[Garryydde]

Get out of here, stalker.

[Garryydde]

INB4 SQUATING SLAVS

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

INB4 SQUATING SLAVS
 

>mfw my buddies and I are waiting to fill up a DotA 2 lobby

[God]

Wait wtf does sex have to do with any of this?


Can we just discuss the military capabilities of various countries in here?

 

I agree. Now on to how my country will kick every other countries respective asses (over the short term).

 

If the war started a week from now and lasted a few months to a few years, the US would easily hold out with far less damage than many think. There’s even a good chance the US could collapse civilization in the rest of the world. Explanation below.

But...the US would be unlikely to WIN such a war and so if the war lasted longer than a few years, eventually the world would defeat the US. Here's why...

Very few countries are currently on par with us technologically. Specifically, three key technologies are needed to defeat the US - domination of space, domination of the air and domination of the seas.

The world couldn't invade anytime in the near future because the US has overwhelming advantages in these areas AND has extremely favorable geography.

To invade the US, you have to put boots on the ground. And this means you have to invade by Canada, Mexico, air or by sea. 

Air is a non-starter. You'd have to use all of the foreign airlift capacity of the world to get enough troops into theatre and they would need to be protected. No nation has the ability to project significant fighter aircraft anywhere near US territory. The World wouldn't be able to protect the troop transports so any airborne attack would be eliminated in its entirety with ease. 

Invading US territory directly by sea would be suicidal. US dominance of space would ensure the US could see any flotilla coming. China and Russia might take out some satellites, but the US (assuming a crash program to revitalize launch capability) would replace them just as quickly. And the US has a much more capable ASAT weapons. The world would quickly lose the ability to utilize space and that would leave them virtually blind, without GPS or surveillance capability. Heck, they wouldn’t even be able to predict the weather.  

The whole world combined does not have the force projection and amphibious assault capabilities of the US. The US Navy and Air Force would obliterate anything coming near the coasts by sea. Even if you commissioned every commercial vessel in the world and escorted them with every military vessel, they would be sailing towards the US blind. They would be sitting ducks for US airpower to pick off from standoff range. The US would maintain air and sea superiority easily for a thousand miles in every direction from North America. So that won't work. 

 

What about the US neighbors?

Canada isn't going to put up much of a fight and invading Canada solves the US's fuel problems, cited by many as an issue. It also gives the US defense in depth and territory from which they can repulse any amphibious invasions from the North. The problem here is that the US then becomes an occupying force and would probably have to deal with a domestic insurgency. But since this is an existential fight, the US isn’t going to be nice and has a lot of experience with insurgencies. Every Canadian would be biometricaly scanned and implanted with tracking chips, like the ones you use on your pet, but with integrated GPS. Failure to have one would be punishable by death. Biometric ID will make it relatively easy to suppress the population. Anyone resisting would be killed or sent to the gulag in the Northern Territories. So Canada wont be much of a problem. 

Mexico isn’t going to threaten the US either. They don’t have the military capability. And the US has a huge advantage here because most of northern Mexico is open desert. Armor, artillery and air love open desert and the US has a whole lot of tanks, howitzers and planes. The US would likely invade northern Mexico in order to capture the Sabinas and Burgos gas fields, depopulate the border towns and establish a nice free fire buffer zone 200 miles inside Mexico. Anything that moved in the buffer zone would die. Even if every military-aged male in Central and South America massed for a human wave attack, the US would see it coming and decimate it with strategic bombing, mopping up any remaining forces with artillery and small arms fire. It would be a slaughter with little or no loss of life on the US side. 

Let’s assume the world was smart enough not to try the suicidal amphibious, air or human wave attacks. They’ve destroyed most US forces deployed at bases overseas, but those forces caused terrible damage in Germany, Japan, Italy and the UK before they were destroyed or captured. The World lost most of their satellite surveillance capability so they’ve got no strategic picture of what is happening. They heard that the US now owns Canada and has established a buffer inside Mexico. Russia tried to penetrate their airspace with long range bombers and surveillance aircraft, but US F-22s destroyed them before the pilots knew they were in danger. 

Meanwhile US B-52 bombers backed up by F-22, F-16, F-35 and F-15 fighters (remember the US has long-range tankers) are systematically eliminating all foreign military capabilities in the Western Hemisphere with swarms of smart bombs and cruise missiles. Ports, shipping, bases - all are systematically eliminated. B-1 and B-2 bombers are hitting high priority strategic targets in Europe and Asia.

The US withdrew half its aircraft carrier battle groups to protect the Pacific and Atlantic coasts, and uses the other five groups and its attack submarines to systematically hunt down any Russian, British, Chinese, French, Indian, Korean or Japanese naval vessels remaining in the open ocean. Former US allies are extremely surprised when encrypted kill switched built into US-supplied equipment leave their Harpoon and Tomahawk weapons systems useless. World naval ships venturing into the Arctic, North Atlantic, Eastern Pacific, Caribbean or within three thousand miles of Hawaii vanish, never to be heard from again. The World’s remaining blue water naval ships retreat close to land where they can be protected by air power and surface to air missiles.

 

US submarines launch flurries of cruise missiles at ports and airfields and disappear back beneath the surface. US B-1 and B-2 bombers conduct strategic strikes on critical targets worldwide using standoff cruise missiles and precision guided weapons. By targeting major infrastructure - dams, power-plants, oil refineries, pipelines, levies and major bridges the US could cause massive damage to the World’s ability to shift to an offensive posture. Within a week electricity would be out in much of the world. US submarines would sink tankers in the Panama Canal and Suez Canal, closing them permanently. The US would sow the Persian Gulf, Straights of Gibraltar and Straights of Malacca with air and sub deployed mines, wreaking havoc with shipping and cutting off vital choke points. The destruction of shipping and land infrastructure would prevent fuel and food from moving throughout the world. 

Russia, Europe, China, Japan, Australia and Korea would have the best shot at defending themselves, but the US can attack them indirectly. China, Korea and Japan import nearly all their oil. If US sea power cuts off oceanic oil and gas supplies, those nations die. Europe is vulnerable to attacks on gas pipelines, offshore oil platforms and nuclear reactors. Russia and Australia are the most self sufficient, but if East Asia and Europe aren’t providing them electronics, they’re soon back in the 1950’s. Also, US strikes on European nuclear plants would litter high gamma radiation across Europe and Russia, rendering huge regions uninhabitable. Colder climates would have a very, very frigid, hungry winter. Tens or hundreds of millions would die from exposure and famine. 

Targeting dams and levies alone would cause massive casualties. Most of Holland would be underwater. Breaching the Aswan Dam would wipe Cairo off the map and kill most Egyptians. Destruction of the Three Gorges Dam would cause massive devastation in China and millions of casualties. Rinse and repeat worldwide with catastrophic consequences. The world couldn’t respond because they simply couldn’t get close enough to the US to attack key infrastructure on a widespread scale. They might get in a lucky shot with a Backfire bomber or cruise missiles from an attack sub, but these would be isolated instances. The US could systematically pick the World’s infrastructure apart with precision guided weapons.  The World has no symmetrical capacity to respond in kind.

This is the closest the US could come to victory and they just might win. People shouldn’t underestimate the massive damage and disruption caused by the destruction of key infrastructure, collapse of world trade and shut-down of global shipping and air traffic. The US + Canada = fully self-sustaining economy. Not so in most other nations. Much of the world gets its food, raw materials and energy from other places. If that trade collapses along with the (satellite dependent) global telecom system, the World will have big problems. 

Most of the world simply can’t feed itself or satisfy raw materials needs with domestic supplies. There is the possibility that the world would never recover and the combination of social unrest, famine, disease and exposure would collapse World civilization into a pre-industrial state. If so, the US wins. By the time the World recovers 30-50 years later, the US will be generations ahead in technology and could dominate the globe with nano/bio-tech, autonomous drones and space-based weapons.

So what can the World do? Airborne invasion is a non-starter. There isn’t a fraction of the ground capability necessary in South and Central America to invade the US. The World can’t cross the oceans to invade because they can’t see where US forces are and the US can see them coming and eliminate them with air and sea power. The World can only harass the fringes of US power but can’t penetrate the defensive shield.

So they try ballistic missiles. Nukes aren’t allowed, but they can replace the warheads on all their ICBMs with high explosive warheads. Now you’re talking about 1000 plus warheads each with a 500-1500 lb conventional warhead on its tip. You can manufacture more. Seem impressive? It’s not. 

ICBMs are incredibly expensive as conventional weapons and just aren’t accurate enough to hit a specific target. Even the most accurate can only land 50% of their rounds within 200m of their target.   So they’d really only be useful for saturation bombing against cities or military bases. And the US has Patriot and SAM missiles that can shoot down ballistic missiles. Some would get through, especially if launched in swarms, and you could cause some damage in the denser cities like New York or Boston with a few hundred ballistic missiles, but you couldn’t really have a strategic impact. Your best bet is to launch these weapons in the first hours of the war against military targets like B-2 air bases. You’d cause some damage, but probably wouldn’t have a strategic impact. The US could also retaliate in kind. 

But why bother when you have a 180 heavy strategic bombers? A B-2 can carry 16 2,000 lb precision guided cruise missies and the US has 20 of them. Add in a hundred B-52s carrying 20 missiles and 60 B-1s carrying 24 cruise missiles each and the US bomber force can deploy 3500 precision guided warheads per sortie. This doesn’t even consider the smaller cruise missiles that can be carried by ~2500 US fighters and attack aircraft. The US can obliterate everything that comes in range and conduct offensive operations across the entire globe. The rest of the world can’t. 

So the US would turn off electricity and fuel in a significant fraction of the world and maintain a nearly impenetrable perimeter. The World would get in the occasional lucky strike, but these would be few and far between. US strategic air power would erode World capacity slowly and surely. 

[Dio Demon]

Please, your government's resorted to claiming you'll steal our sporting events, that's how sad NSW has gotten.

Yeah... well... I just king hit ya when you're not lookin!

 

#sydneystyle

[God]

To be fair. No one wins a war. Everyone loses.

 

Not the best thing to say to a Soldier who loves his job. 

 

I get what you're saying on an intellectual level. But damn if killing Jihadi John isn't a blast!

[Garryydde]

I agree. Now on to how my country will kick every other countries respective asses (over the short term).

If the war started a week from now and lasted a few months to a few years, the US would easily hold out with far less damage than many think. There’s even a good chance the US could collapse civilization in the rest of the world. Explanation below.

But...the US would be unlikely to WIN such a war and so if the war lasted longer than a few years, eventually the world would defeat the US. Here's why...

Very few countries are currently on par with us technologically. Specifically, three key technologies are needed to defeat the US - domination of space, domination of the air and domination of the seas.

The world couldn't invade anytime in the near future because the US has overwhelming advantages in these areas AND has extremely favorable geography.

To invade the US, you have to put boots on the ground. And this means you have to invade by Canada, Mexico, air or by sea.

Air is a non-starter. You'd have to use all of the foreign airlift capacity of the world to get enough troops into theatre and they would need to be protected. No nation has the ability to project significant fighter aircraft anywhere near US territory. The World wouldn't be able to protect the troop transports so any airborne attack would be eliminated in its entirety with ease.

Invading US territory directly by sea would be suicidal. US dominance of space would ensure the US could see any flotilla coming. China and Russia might take out some satellites, but the US (assuming a crash program to revitalize launch capability) would replace them just as quickly. And the US has a much more capable ASAT weapons. The world would quickly lose the ability to utilize space and that would leave them virtually blind, without GPS or surveillance capability. Heck, they wouldn’t even be able to predict the weather.

The whole world combined does not have the force projection and amphibious assault capabilities of the US. The US Navy and Air Force would obliterate anything coming near the coasts by sea. Even if you commissioned every commercial vessel in the world and escorted them with every military vessel, they would be sailing towards the US blind. They would be sitting ducks for US airpower to pick off from standoff range. The US would maintain air and sea superiority easily for a thousand miles in every direction from North America. So that won't work.

What about the US neighbors?
Canada isn't going to put up much of a fight and invading Canada solves the US's fuel problems, cited by many as an issue. It also gives the US defense in depth and territory from which they can repulse any amphibious invasions from the North. The problem here is that the US then becomes an occupying force and would probably have to deal with a domestic insurgency. But since this is an existential fight, the US isn’t going to be nice and has a lot of experience with insurgencies. Every Canadian would be biometricaly scanned and implanted with tracking chips, like the ones you use on your pet, but with integrated GPS. Failure to have one would be punishable by death. Biometric ID will make it relatively easy to suppress the population. Anyone resisting would be killed or sent to the gulag in the Northern Territories. So Canada wont be much of a problem.

Mexico isn’t going to threaten the US either. They don’t have the military capability. And the US has a huge advantage here because most of northern Mexico is open desert. Armor, artillery and air love open desert and the US has a whole lot of tanks, howitzers and planes. The US would likely invade northern Mexico in order to capture the Sabinas and Burgos gas fields, depopulate the border towns and establish a nice free fire buffer zone 200 miles inside Mexico. Anything that moved in the buffer zone would die. Even if every military-aged male in Central and South America massed for a human wave attack, the US would see it coming and decimate it with strategic bombing, mopping up any remaining forces with artillery and small arms fire. It would be a slaughter with little or no loss of life on the US side.

Let’s assume the world was smart enough not to try the suicidal amphibious, air or human wave attacks. They’ve destroyed most US forces deployed at bases overseas, but those forces caused terrible damage in Germany, Japan, Italy and the UK before they were destroyed or captured. The World lost most of their satellite surveillance capability so they’ve got no strategic picture of what is happening. They heard that the US now owns Canada and has established a buffer inside Mexico. Russia tried to penetrate their airspace with long range bombers and surveillance aircraft, but US F-22s destroyed them before the pilots knew they were in danger.

Meanwhile US B-52 bombers backed up by F-22, F-16, F-35 and F-15 fighters (remember the US has long-range tankers) are systematically eliminating all foreign military capabilities in the Western Hemisphere with swarms of smart bombs and cruise missiles. Ports, shipping, bases - all are systematically eliminated. B-1 and B-2 bombers are hitting high priority strategic targets in Europe and Asia.

The US withdrew half its aircraft carrier battle groups to protect the Pacific and Atlantic coasts, and uses the other five groups and its attack submarines to systematically hunt down any Russian, British, Chinese, French, Indian, Korean or Japanese naval vessels remaining in the open ocean. Former US allies are extremely surprised when encrypted kill switched built into US-supplied equipment leave their Harpoon and Tomahawk weapons systems useless. World naval ships venturing into the Arctic, North Atlantic, Eastern Pacific, Caribbean or within three thousand miles of Hawaii vanish, never to be heard from again. The World’s remaining blue water naval ships retreat close to land where they can be protected by air power and surface to air missiles.

US submarines launch flurries of cruise missiles at ports and airfields and disappear back beneath the surface. US B-1 and B-2 bombers conduct strategic strikes on critical targets worldwide using standoff cruise missiles and precision guided weapons. By targeting major infrastructure - dams, power-plants, oil refineries, pipelines, levies and major bridges the US could cause massive damage to the World’s ability to shift to an offensive posture. Within a week electricity would be out in much of the world. US submarines would sink tankers in the Panama Canal and Suez Canal, closing them permanently. The US would sow the Persian Gulf, Straights of Gibraltar and Straights of Malacca with air and sub deployed mines, wreaking havoc with shipping and cutting off vital choke points. The destruction of shipping and land infrastructure would prevent fuel and food from moving throughout the world.
Russia, Europe, China, Japan, Australia and Korea would have the best shot at defending themselves, but the US can attack them indirectly. China, Korea and Japan import nearly all their oil. If US sea power cuts off oceanic oil and gas supplies, those nations die. Europe is vulnerable to attacks on gas pipelines, offshore oil platforms and nuclear reactors. Russia and Australia are the most self sufficient, but if East Asia and Europe aren’t providing them electronics, they’re soon back in the 1950’s. Also, US strikes on European nuclear plants would litter high gamma radiation across Europe and Russia, rendering huge regions uninhabitable. Colder climates would have a very, very frigid, hungry winter. Tens or hundreds of millions would die from exposure and famine.

Targeting dams and levies alone would cause massive casualties. Most of Holland would be underwater. Breaching the Aswan Dam would wipe Cairo off the map and kill most Egyptians. Destruction of the Three Gorges Dam would cause massive devastation in China and millions of casualties. Rinse and repeat worldwide with catastrophic consequences. The world couldn’t respond because they simply couldn’t get close enough to the US to attack key infrastructure on a widespread scale. They might get in a lucky shot with a Backfire bomber or cruise missiles from an attack sub, but these would be isolated instances. The US could systematically pick the World’s infrastructure apart with precision guided weapons. The World has no symmetrical capacity to respond in kind.

This is the closest the US could come to victory and they just might win. People shouldn’t underestimate the massive damage and disruption caused by the destruction of key infrastructure, collapse of world trade and shut-down of global shipping and air traffic. The US + Canada = fully self-sustaining economy. Not so in most other nations. Much of the world gets its food, raw materials and energy from other places. If that trade collapses along with the (satellite dependent) global telecom system, the World will have big problems.

Most of the world simply can’t feed itself or satisfy raw materials needs with domestic supplies. There is the possibility that the world would never recover and the combination of social unrest, famine, disease and exposure would collapse World civilization into a pre-industrial state. If so, the US wins. By the time the World recovers 30-50 years later, the US will be generations ahead in technology and could dominate the globe with nano/bio-tech, autonomous drones and space-based weapons.

So what can the World do? Airborne invasion is a non-starter. There isn’t a fraction of the ground capability necessary in South and Central America to invade the US. The World can’t cross the oceans to invade because they can’t see where US forces are and the US can see them coming and eliminate them with air and sea power. The World can only harass the fringes of US power but can’t penetrate the defensive shield.

So they try ballistic missiles. Nukes aren’t allowed, but they can replace the warheads on all their ICBMs with high explosive warheads. Now you’re talking about 1000 plus warheads each with a 500-1500 lb conventional warhead on its tip. You can manufacture more. Seem impressive? It’s not.

ICBMs are incredibly expensive as conventional weapons and just aren’t accurate enough to hit a specific target. Even the most accurate can only land 50% of their rounds within 200m of their target. So they’d really only be useful for saturation bombing against cities or military bases. And the US has Patriot and SAM missiles that can shoot down ballistic missiles. Some would get through, especially if launched in swarms, and you could cause some damage in the denser cities like New York or Boston with a few hundred ballistic missiles, but you couldn’t really have a strategic impact. Your best bet is to launch these weapons in the first hours of the war against military targets like B-2 air bases. You’d cause some damage, but probably wouldn’t have a strategic impact. The US could also retaliate in kind.

But why bother when you have a 180 heavy strategic bombers? A B-2 can carry 16 2,000 lb precision guided cruise missies and the US has 20 of them. Add in a hundred B-52s carrying 20 missiles and 60 B-1s carrying 24 cruise missiles each and the US bomber force can deploy 3500 precision guided warheads per sortie. This doesn’t even consider the smaller cruise missiles that can be carried by ~2500 US fighters and attack aircraft. The US can obliterate everything that comes in range and conduct offensive operations across the entire globe. The rest of the world can’t.

So the US would turn off electricity and fuel in a significant fraction of the world and maintain a nearly impenetrable perimeter. The World would get in the occasional lucky strike, but these would be few and far between. US strategic air power would erode World capacity slowly and surely.

[God]

Tell that to Ukraine.

 

Dude, it's Ukraine. 

 

Who cares?

[God]

 

Nope! 

[Cunning Villain]

Any real American WOULD and DID read. That brought a tear to my eye. Thanks, God!

[Dio Demon]

Any real American WOULD and DID read. That brought a tear to my eye. Thanks, God!

I'm Australian... so if I read it (which I didn't) I'd automatically become an American citizen and be classified as an illegal alien in Australia?

[God]

I'm Australian... so if I read it (which I didn't) I'd automatically become an American citizen and be classified as an illegal alien in Australia?

 

Not if you're a woman. Aussie and hot. That's how I like em'.

[Johnnie Walker]

S: Here come da red coats!
R: Aw dis sum bullsh*t! Ey yo Conners, I know I was talkin a lot of sh*t earlier but I cant do this. Theres just too many, man.
C: MAN THE F*UCK UP!

[Dio Demon]

Cocaine smuggling?

FTFY.

 

We all know where that cocaine is going to be hidden

[Cunning Villain]

I'm Australian... so if I read it (which I didn't) I'd automatically become an American citizen and be classified as an illegal alien in Australia?

 

If you read all that you'd attempt to travel here from Australia in a raft just for the chance to become an American citizen.

[Dio Demon]

Not if you're a woman. Aussie and hot. That's how I like em'.

*checks between his legs*

 

Yep male.