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[Steppenwolf]

No, I told you to take it into the Feedback section

Again, this is not your forum. Don't like my posts, don't read them. Plain and simple.
 
 

You need to think about what you say when it comes to this feature.  The players are apart of the QA testers this time, so that includes them too.

The players aren't the ones fixing the problems, they're the ones telling BioWare that the problems exist and need fixing. I don't blame the beta testers for patch 5 being a disaster, I blame BioWare. There's no way they weren't aware of the issues patch 5 caused. BioWare's QA is abysmal. Stop trying to twist my words.

[Poisd2Strike]

Almost completely irrelevant. The Beta had BE, it was full of issues, and they pulled it from Patch 5 for more work, as evidenced by the note in the patch notes for Patch 5. Also, beta testing patch notes/announcements =/= whats coming in a final release version. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best and truest, there's not always some conspiracy or incompetency.

 

The issue I have is that people on the forum (and likely Social media) were speculating that TBE would be included in Patch 5 (based upon its inclusion in Patch 5 Beta test), Bioware was Beta testing Patch 5 with TBE and knew there were issues and knew they would not be able to include TBE in Patch 5 (which is completely understandable) due to those issues, but did not respond and let us know until Patch 5 was released.  They didn't have to go into the specific details as to why TBE could not be included in Patch 5, but a simple post in the Forums, Facebook or Twitter post (example:  Hey DAI fans, we were hoping to include TBE in Patch 5 but ran into some technical issues.  So, unfortunately TBE won't be included in Patch 5.  We'll update you when we have more info)  would have been appreciated.  A little communication can go a long way...

[Sunnie]

Stuff

Bioware has a long running track record of poor/horrid to no communication skills. None of what you are describing phases most veterans of Bioware games anymore.

[ElementalFury106]

Which kind of makes sense, however unfortunate. Dalish would rather be retaining their culture, but Thedas doesn't exactly accommodate that. Still, you'd think the Inquisitor would have some say in the matter.

 

Yeah but characters we encounter (NPC's) are wearing such armor. Hell, some employed within the Inquisition have the armor. You'd think the most important person in the organization could get ahold of it. It baffles me that the Scout and Robe Dalish armors are available for purchase but NOT the heavy armor.

 

 

Not an ideal solution, but since the other two Dalish schematics have fixed locations, maybe you can get one of them and use materials to remove the class-restriction when you craft it? To be honest, BOTH the keeper's robe and the scout's armor look more protective to me than the so-called heavy Dalish armor.

 

ETA: At least with female Inquisitors. Guessing male Inquisitors DON'T have cleavage-baring Dalish warrior armor.

 

Yeah the scout armor looks awesome on Female Inquisitors (as does the heavy armor). Looks really pathetic on males imo. The heavy armor looks much more appropriate for males.

[Poisd2Strike]

Bioware has a long running track record of poor/horrid to no communication skills. None of what you are describing phases most veterans of Bioware games anymore.

 

First, you dismissed my argument above by referring to it as "Stuff".  Second, you assumed / implied I am not a veteran of Bioware games.  That assumption / implication is incorrect.  If you want to excuse or defend poor PR or Communications that is certainly your right.  However, the "you should be used to it by now" defense (in itself) does not excuse poor PR or Communications.  And FYI, for any company that makes / sells a product to Customers, poor PR or Communications is a sign of Incompetency.  I am all for Bioware taking the necessary time to bug test TBE.  I am also all for Bioware Communicating with its Customers effectively.  The two do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.

[duckley]

Well, this topic has taken an interesting turn.
Can someone advise me as to what "bugs" there may be on PS4? I havent come across any problems that I know of...

[Sunnie]

First, you dismissed my argument above by referring to it as "Stuff".  Second, you assumed / implied I am not a veteran of Bioware games.  That assumption / implication is incorrect.  If you want to excuse or defend poor PR or Communications that is certainly your right.  However, the "you should be used to it by now" defense (in itself) does not excuse poor PR or Communications.  And FYI, for any company that makes / sells a product to Customers, poor PR or Communications is a sign of Incompetency.  I am all for Bioware taking the necessary time to bug test TBE.  I am also all for Bioware Communicating with its Customers effectively.  The two do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.

 

Not excusing it at all, it just doesn't have any effect on me. I know their general communication skills suck, and expect it after so many years of the same. Some of us are used to it and don't care anymore. But, if you choose to beat your head against that wall after all this time, that is your decision. But at the end of the day, nothing you say here will matter, nothing you say will make them improve communication with their customers. Would be nice if it did, but I digress.

Additionally, I did say "most" above, not all, I never assumed you were in any class at all, it was just a sentiment derived from being on these forums for a very long time and hearing the same arguments ad nauseum.

[BobZilla84]

They can take as much time as they need with the Emporium I just hope it doesnt take too long because DAI has a serious chance of being shelved until it gets some Story Dlc.

[Sivith]

Haven't even gotten through a play through yet. I refuse to play this until I have emporium at least.

[Richiesdisplayname]

Here's something I'd like to see in TBE. Everyone keeps saying more hair options - obviously. But how about more beard options? If you're a male human, your choices are basically "weird, pre-pubescent stubble", "weird, non-hair-looking stubble", "decent stubble", "crazy Stroud moustache", and "nutso mountain man who doesn't own a mirror". Every facial-hair-having character on ME3 had decent looking facial hair. Why is the better engine coming up lacking compared to it? (And before you say it, I play on PC with all my settings at ultra. It's not my settings.)

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Well, because of the NDA, I can't tell you what's in there but, I'd pay up to 10.99 USD for it - it's worth that much to me.

 

Discalimer: I also paid 20.00 for a single mount in another game. Nothing special just a good looking mount that doesn't help fight, carry gear or do anything except let me ride it out of combat.

 

When I read your first sentence I was: "WOW!"

 

But when I read the second one I went: "Oh, God, NO!"

 

So, I'll stick with a neutral mode until BE is out:

[Dieb]

Bioware has a long running track record of poor/horrid to no communication skills. None of what you are describing phases most veterans of Bioware games anymore.

 

That fact that you seldomly see users you have never seen before on here, despite the games selling by the hundreds of thousands internationally, should tell you how important it is to issue a statement for 100-200 people collectively forming high expectations over phrasing. It was never their intention to release it as part of Patch 5 as far as we know, so they don't really have to issue a general answer for 2% (I'm super good at math) of their playerbase potentially being confused.

 

I'm not saying I wasn't surprised & kinda expecting it, too -probably because optimism is luckily contagious- but BioWare is not even close to bad communication skills. Maybe compared to the recent trends of Kickstarter devs etc; but that's hardly the same thing. On the other hand, while we're at it, I actually wish they would listen to some fans a lot less than they do.

 

 

-A "veteran"

[Steppenwolf]

That fact that you seldomly see users you have never seen before on here, despite the games selling by the hundreds of thousands internationally, should tell you how important it is to issue a statement for 100-200 people collectively forming high expectations over phrasing.

What a straw man. The "blog" entry about the patch 5 beta was their international announcement, not a flyer on the BioWare Social cork board. Numerous online news outlets reported on it only because the vague language suggested the Black Emporium was going to be a part of patch 5. And the language in that new "blog" entry posted in this thread does heavily suggest that the Black Emporium was indeed supposed to be part of patch 5.

[Dieb]

What a straw man. The "blog" entry about the patch 5 beta was their international announcement, not a flyer on the BioWare Social cork board. Numerous online news outlets reported on it only because the vague language suggested the Black Emporium was going to be a part of patch 5. And the language in that new "blog" entry posted in this thread does heavily suggest that the Black Emporium was indeed supposed to be part of patch 5.

 

I guess I deserve an introductory insult for lashing out as obscenely as I did.

 

Anyways,

 

"As part of the beta, participants will have access to the Black Emporium, a mysterious underground shop run by an immortal proprietor."

 

"Please note that the Black Emporium is not part of the patch 5 release. Thanks to the excellent feedback we received from the people in our beta program, we are continuing to work on this feature."

 

That's not very vague to me. It still is not. As far as I'm concerned, that's in fact a clarification that wasn't really needed in the first place. If you like to go ahead and declare everything that doesn't say "The Black Emporium is availible for download" as vague and misleading, then we have different understandings/expectations of things and I apologize.

 

I didn't come here to fight with people. I just dislike pointlessly riling up people over things, time and time AND TIME again. You have not been cheated and/or exploited over something you were surprised to have the outlook of getting in the first place. I didn't come here to complain about complaints, but to illustrate how I think we merely bursted our own bubble there.

[Steppenwolf]

I guess I deserve an introductory insult for lashing out as obscenely as I did.

What? You made a straw man argument and I said as much.
 

Anyways,
 
"As part of the beta, participants will have access to the Black Emporium, a mysterious underground shop run by an immortal proprietor."
 
"Please note that the Black Emporium is not part of the patch 5 release. Thanks to the excellent feedback we received from the people in our beta program, we are continuing to work on this feature."

Note the language in the first quote. It doesn't separate the Black Emporium from the patch because it only refers to the beta. The second quote, which came after the release of patch 5, is the first instance of the two being separate releases and it suggests they weren't meant to be separate releases.
 

That's not very vague to me. It still is not. As far as I'm concerned, that's in fact a clarification that wasn't really needed in the first place. If you like to go ahead and declare everything that doesn't say "The Black Emporium is availible for download" as vague and misleading, then we have different understandings/expectations of things and I apologize.

Gaming news sites and most people here and on social media took the initial announcement to mean the Black Emporium was part of patch 5, not just the beta for patch 5. It really doesn't matter what you think. You didn't find it misleading or vague? Good for you, but who cares? You're in the minority and what you think isn't a fact.
 

I didn't come here to fight with people. I just dislike pointlessly riling up people over things, time and time AND TIME again. You have not been cheated and/or exploited over something you were surprised to have the outlook of getting in the first place. I didn't come here to complain about complaints, but to illustrate how I think we merely bursted our own bubble there.

Thanks for the mission statement.

[Dieb]

 It really doesn't matter what you think. You didn't find it misleading or vague? Good for you, but who cares? You're in the minority and what you think isn't a fact.

 

So if you talk to people the way you do, what do you expect in return?

 

Take it easy kid - you win if it helps. BioWare wants to fool people.

 

End of derailment.

[Steppenwolf]

So if you talk to people the way you do, what do you expect in return?
 
Take it easy kid - you win if it helps. BioWare wants to fool people.
 
End of derailment.

Clearly my point is well over your head, kid.

[Rekkampum]

Clearly my point is well over your head, kid.

 

How dare you insult Dwarfs!

[Steppenwolf]

How dare you insult Dwarfs!

Bunch of shin-kicking nug humpers, the lot of ya!

[SuperNose]

Bunch of shin-kicking nug humpers, the lot of ya!

 

Said by someone who has clearly NEVER humped a nug. You simply don't know what you're missing.

[DAO MAdhatter]

How dare you insult Dwarfs!

Oh, shut it! Or else I will use you in a game of darts.

[In Exile]

Note the language in the first quote. It doesn't separate the Black Emporium from the patch because it only refers to the beta.

 

That's not what that first quote says. It says that those who are part of the Beta "will have access to the Black Emporium". That isn't saying the Black Emporium is part of patch 5. I can understand why people might misread it that way, and I agree it was poorly drafted, but it certainly isn't a suggestion Patch 5 includes the Black Emporium.

[Steppenwolf]

That's not what that first quote says. It says that those who are part of the Beta "will have access to the Black Emporium". That isn't saying the Black Emporium is part of patch 5. I can understand why people might misread it that way, and I agree it was poorly drafted, but it certainly isn't a suggestion Patch 5 includes the Black Emporium.

 

How did you read what I wrote but not understand any of it? The announcement of the beta never separated the BE from the patch because it conflated them both as part of the beta. Nowhere did they say the two were separate, nor did they do anything to suggest they might be. It's not just understandable to take it the way most people took it, it's the way most people took it. And considering they've now said they pushed back the BE because of beta feedback it's pretty darn clear the BE was supposed to be part of patch 5.

[Rekkampum]

Qunari Inquisitor here Biofair - because we know you care! We of the Qun would like more Vitaars. The Qun demands it.

[Steppenwolf]

Qunari Inquisitor here Biofair - because we know you care! We of the Qun would like more Vitaars. The Qun demands it.

More vitaars? How about a single helmet or set of armor? The Qunari really got the shaft in the gear department.