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[Aren]

This is the first time in which i  have decide to play with a female Cousland in order to become queen (for an import for DAI),but i cannot find the same amount of freedom in my choices like the HMN, here are a list of the limitations that has really bothered me.

 

1) As a HMN i do not have to romance Anora is only a political marriage afterall, with a HFN i must romance Alistair even if i do not like him (i prefer Leliana and Zevran)

 

2) I must kill Loghain to appease Alistair,i cannot spare him and kill him later vs the archedemon, with the HMN i can do whatever i wish with Alistair or Loghain, so long i do not kill Loghain personally.

 

 

3) The worse of the worse i must BETRAY MYSELF with the DR in order to become Queen, while with the HMN i can do whatever i wish again, Kieran can be Human or an OGB, but he will always be my heir, as i have seen from DAI Alistair  cannot even see his own son if he is King which is  awful.

 

 

4) Anora is a little power hunger witch (yea just like Morrigan) but she know how to rule because she was  educated since her childhood, What kind of help Alistair can do   to me in this regard?  Queen COusland is even better than him  in ruling a country, but sadly she cannot be  an expert like Anora because she is a warrior.

 

Some of you have a way to save me from point 3 (without mod because of the Keep)  because is really the worse of the worse for me, the others points are tolerable the 3 no i cannot live with that regret.

[Krypplingz]

1) Wrong, you can marry Alistair without romancing him. (Don't know if you can have the others on the side, but you do NOT have to romance Alibear). 

2) Well, it is the guy who killed his father figure. You might not need to romance Alistair, but you must appease him.

3) Yup that hurts. For you both. But sometimes you must make sacrifices to gain power. Or you can be a queenish person for a day and die to save the country I suppose. (And besides, female Cousland only has to deal with a one night stand, Anora has to deal with a mistress/mister for years.)

4) If you are not romancing him, you're marrying him for power. He'll be your figure head while you pull the strings. Lady Cousland probably has some training in court and ruling, since it was expected that she'd have her own land and title in the Landsmeet after she grew up. Also, I think being warrior trained is a requirement to rule in Ferelden, since a lord is expected to be able to protect his kingdom. 

 

But I suppose it's a matter of taste. I like them both.

[Silfren]

 

This is the first time in which i  have decide to play with a female Cousland in order to become queen (for an import for DAI),but i cannot find the same amount of freedom in my choices like the HMN, here are a list of the limitations that has really bothered me.

 

1) As a HMN i do not have to romance Anora is only a political marriage afterall, with a HFN i must romance Alistair even if i do not like him (i prefer Leliana and Zevran)

 

2) I must kill Loghain to appease Alistair,i cannot spare him and kill him later vs the archedemon, with the HMN i can do whatever i wish with Alistair or Loghain, so long i do not kill Loghain personally.

 

 

3) The worse of the worse i must BETRAY MYSELF with the DR in order to become Queen, while with the HMN i can do whatever i wish again, Kieran can be Human or an OGB, but he will always be my heir, as i have seen from DAI Alistair  cannot even see his own son if he is King which is  awful.

 

 

4) Anora is a little power hunger witch (yea just like Morrigan) but she know how to rule because she was  educated since her childhood, What kind of help Alistair can do   to me in this regard?  Queen COusland is even better than him  in ruling a country, but sadly she cannot be  an expert like Anora because she is a warrior.

 

Some of you have a way to save me from point 3 (without mod because of the Keep)  because is really the worse of the worse for me, the others points are tolerable the 3 no i cannot live with that regret.

 

 

Can speak only to the first two.  You do NOT have to romance Alistair in order to become queen.  You don't even have to have good approval with him.  If your persuasive powers are sufficient, you can convince him to marry you in a political alliance even if he hates your guts, so far as I can recall.  I don't know why you would get the impression that you have to romance him in order for a marriage to happen - did you even try it, or is that just an assumption on your part?

 

And you CAN spare Loghain in order to later kill him with the archdemon.  I'm really not sure what you're getting at here.  Are you complaining that you can't spare Loghain without killing a romance with Alistair as the female HN, or are you trying to suggest that you do not have the option at all to spare Loghain?  The latter is not true, if so - It can be done.  

 

It is not a limitation, or a restriction of freedom, for the female HN to not be able to spare Loghain AND maintain her romance with Alistair, though.  It would only be a restriction on her freedoms if a choice available to the male HN was not available to her, but that is not the case.  There is a different CONSEQUENCE to that action under the specific condition of being in a romance, but that is by no means at all the same thing.

[BobZilla84]

My Canon PT was my Male Human Noble Warrior Malcolm Cousland he romanced Leliana & Morrigan "Glitches FTW" he also had the threesome with Leliana and Isabella he then Married Anora becoming Prince/King-Consort as well as the new Teryn of Gwaren he kept Leliana as his Mistress but then Morrigan left and add to that him being made the Arl of Amaranthine as well as the Commander of The Grey Wardens in Ferelden he dealt with the Architect "Alive" and he saved both Amaranthine and Vigils Keep he then returned to his wife Anora in Denerim.

And by this point Leliana has begun to serve as the Divine's Left Hand so he started looking for Morrigan he found her and she told him about his son "Kieran" he said goodbye to Morrigan in the Dragon Bone Wastes then returning to Denerim to Anora.

I hated that the Keep didn't let me properly recreate my World State they should have added tiles to accomidate the threeway Romances they could have been Morrigan&Leliana Romanced and Alistair&Leliana Romanced.

Alistair was executed to prevent future unrest and Loghain was sent to serve the GreyWardens in Orlais.

[Aren]

Can speak only to the first two.  You do NOT have to romance Alistair in order to become queen.  You don't even have to have good approval with him.  If your persuasive powers are sufficient, you can convince him to marry you in a political alliance even if he hates your guts, so far as I can recall.  I don't know why you would get the impression that you have to romance him in order for a marriage to happen - did you even try it, or is that just an assumption on your part?

 

And you CAN spare Loghain in order to later kill him with the archdemon.  I'm really not sure what you're getting at here.  Are you complaining that you can't spare Loghain without killing a romance with Alistair as the female HN, or are you trying to suggest that you do not have the option at all to spare Loghain?  The latter is not true, if so - It can be done.  

 

It is not a limitation, or a restriction of freedom, for the female HN to not be able to spare Loghain AND maintain her romance with Alistair, though.  It would only be a restriction on her freedoms if a choice available to the male HN was not available to her, but that is not the case.  There is a different CONSEQUENCE to that action under the specific condition of being in a romance, but that is by no means at all the same thing.

yes i want to spare loghain to kill him later to avoid the DR for a perfect win,but is impossible without the console command.

[dongsaeng]

I like kicking Anora off the throne, my Queen Cousland rules all of Ferelden, her husband is merely there as a puppet in her grasp.

[Silfren]

yes i want to spare loghain to kill him later to avoid the DR for a perfect win,but is impossible without the console command.

 

I really don't know what you are talking about here.  I've played a female Cousland for most of my playthroughs and although I rarely spare Loghain and use him to kill the archdemon, I've never had any actual problems doing so and certainly never had to use a console command.  You're not very clear as to what you mean, so could you please elaborate?

[Redhead]

He means, that if you choose to spare Loghain, you won't become a Queen. Alistair, if hardened, will agree to marry Anora if Loghain is still alive, but not you. But as male Cousland, it doesn't matter if you spare or kill him (just not by yourself) - Anora will marry you either way.

[Silfren]

He means, that if you choose to spare Loghain, you won't become a Queen. Alistair, if hardened, will agree to marry Anora if Loghain is still alive, but not you. But as male Cousland, it doesn't matter if you spare or kill him (just not by yourself) - Anora will marry you either way.

 

And I maintain that this has nothing to do with freedom.  The assertion was that the HN female doesn't have the same freedom of choice as her male counterpart, and this is not true.  The choices are identical in nearly every respect.  The form they take differs slightly on gender grounds since Elissa Cousland cannot marry Anora, and so on, but otherwise, no.  

 

Female Cousland CAN choose to spare Loghain in the Landsmeet and send him to his death against the archdemon.  Claiming that she does not have the freedom to do this because of a particular consequence which results from that is an altogether different quibble.  As is, of course, the claim that a female Human Noble can only become queen if she romances Alistair - it is possible to marry him not only absent of a romance, but even absent of friendship.

 

Having re-read the OP, I have to say that the third one doesn't make sense.  The original point is talking about what the HN female supposedly can and cannot do regarding the DR, and while it is true that the HN male has one additional option by virtue of nothing more than that female Cousland cannot herself impregnate Morrigan - by suddenly going off-topic of their own point into an aside about Alistair, it's hard to figure out what their complaint is.  Whether or not it's terrible for Alistair to see or not see his own child is an altogether different question from what freedoms the HN female does or doesn't have regarding the DR, so . . . WTF is being said?