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[thats1evildude]

I don't know if you noticed, but everybody in the goddamn Inquisition (except Cole) is having sex. Why should the Inquisitor be the one exception?

[Grieving Natashina]

If you feel that strongly OP, then just don't do a romance.  Simple enough.  In an organization like the Inquisition, it seems like there actually a fair amount of shared power.   So if that bothers you, then just RP that your Inquisitor is uncomfortable.  Otherwise, I don't see BioWare changing this in the future.  

 

Besides, the Inquisition isn't very formal until close to the end, and by that point most everyone proved to be the Inquisitor's equal in some way.  Cullen knows more about military matters than the PC.   Cassandra is de-factor Head Seeker, and frankly one of the few that didn't lose their way.  Sera is one of the higher members of the "Red Jennies."  Bull is the head of his own mercenary company.  Solas is a frigging god, and now the only one of the elven pantheon that's awake.  Josie's knowledge and skill with diplomacy put her above peer as well.  

 

Blackwall was a general when he was Thom Rainier, although I'll concede that he doesn't have hardly any pull in the Inquisition.  So...I guess he counts?

 

In their own ways, all but one of the LIs is a leader in some fashion.  The PC may be the final say, but all of them are leaders/commanders of their own group.  It isn't about anyone really being subordinate to the PC, at least in my opinion.

[Phoe77]

Now that it's been mentioned, I wonder what the rule of thumb is for normal militaries in Thedas.  I don't know for certain obviously, but I could see the templar situation being special for a few reasons.  We do know that the Grey Wardens don't seem to care when their members are sleeping with each other, but they also seem to be a little bit lax on regulations in general.

[KaiserShep]

I like how Sera puts it: "If that's a problem, I won't lose my job." And really, Cassandra and Cullen are the only ones that are formally part of the organization anyway.

[fizzypop]

*Enchanter Ellendra greatly approves*

 

 

The top has an interesting point of view that's for sure.

[fizzypop]

There ya go.

 

The Inquisition is one big orgy.

[Nefla]

Who cares? The game isn't exactly realistic or diligently planned in any other aspect.

 

Inquisitor: "Whatever! Whatever! I do what I WANT!"

[Grieving Natashina]

Who cares? The game isn't exactly realistic or diligently planned in any other aspect.

 

Inquisitor: "Whatever! Whatever! I do what  who I WANT!"

Fixed that for you.  

[Shaftell]

It is completely optional. Guess what? If you're not romancing anyone, then romances don't exist in your game.

[Grieving Natashina]

These type of posters want to change everyone though. Not themselves. I've seen the type before. Always obsessed with military protocol. It's ****** weird.

I used to see it in the ME forums quite a bit.  Still do, off and on.  It never made sense to me.  Then again, I'm always puzzled and often amused by where the "realism" line is drawn for some posters in fantasy/sci-fi games.   To each their own.  <shrug>

[Ashagar]

Other than being a fantasy universe we are not talking about a modern military with modern military rules so we can't honestly expect it to operate on the sort of military rules we are used to or expect for that matter that the rules of war be the same.

[fizzypop]

These type of posters want to change everyone though. Not themselves. I've seen the type before. Always obsessed with military protocol. It's ****** weird.

which is weird because even in the military IRL they don't give a ****. My uncle and aunt got married both part of the military. They just had to be in different units aside from that no one gave a ****.
 

"The gist of this offense is a violation of the custom of the armed forces against fraternization. Not all contact or association between officers and enlisted persons is an offense. Whether the contact or association in question is an offense depends on the surrounding circumstances. Factors to be considered include whether the conduct has compromised the chain of command, resulted in the appearance of partiality, or otherwise undermined good order, discipline, authority, or morale. The acts and circumstances must be such as to lead a reasonable person experienced in the problems of military leadership to conclude that the good order and discipline of the armed forces has been prejudiced by their tendency to compromise the respect of enlisted persons for the professionalism, integrity, and obligations of an officer."

 

So basically yeah people don't know **** lolz.

[PsychoBlonde]

In modern militaries it is forbidden for officers to become friends with or even romance their subordinates. This is called fraternization. Both the System Alliance Military (ME) and the Templar Order have these kinds of rules.


Should the Inquistion also have anti-fraternization rules? Can romancing someone, like say Cullen, really mess up the chain of command?


In my personal opinion it is a bad idea to romance anyone who goes into combat with the inquisitor. That leaves only Josephine left to romance.

 

Cullen is the only person who could be said to be in direct military command line with the Inquisitor--and that's only IF the Inquisitor is actually considered to be in overall command of the Inquisition military instead of being something like the civil leader in charge of the rift-closing and policy-debate-settling.  The Inquisitor never commands Inquisition soldiers in the field, Cullen ALWAYS does it.  In fact, during the few military engagements the Inquisitor is present for, Cullen actually tells YOU what to do.  Nor does the Inquisitor decide issues such as pay scales, promotions, or assignments.  In theory the worst thing that could happen would be for you to promote Cullen arbitrarily or raise his pay, but there's nowhere for you to promote him TO, he's ALREADY the highest-ranking military officer in the place.  I didn't get a sense that the Advisors were drawing much in the way of wages--after all, food and housing is all supplied directly by the organization and Cullen doesn't seem to care much about money anyhoo.  Nobody else has an official military position where rules on fraternization could even be an issue--the Inner Circle is a loose association, not a military organization.

 

Well, I suppose a case could be made that romancing Iron Bull could be considered favoritism if the Inquisition employs other mercenary companies, but that would be a Conflict of Interest case perhaps arguable under corporate law if Thedas has such a thing NOT a case of military fraternization.

 

So, no, I don't think it's in any way a concern.  It might actually be good for morale.

[Raiil]

You wanna get between my Lavellen and Cullen?

 

Or her alternate universe Lavellen and Dorian?

 

hell to the no

 

Also, Bull and Dorian don't break frat rules. 

[Han Shot First]

No.

 

The rules against fraternization are more of a thing with modern military organizations. Since the Dragon Age universe is quasi-medieval, it would feel almost anachronistic for military organizations to have these stringent codes of conduct like modern militaries do.

[Andreas Amell]

I avoided fraternization in Mass Effect 1 because it was problematic to choose between Kaidan and Ashley. But I chose Liara because she wasn't technically part of the military and more a consultant. I revisited my relationship with Liara in part 2 but bonded with Thane because the relationship with death seemed a good character development for my gameplay. Also the new crew of the Normandy didn't feel like a military outfit that needed to stick those rules. In game three I went back to Liara because the upcoming end pushed me to make final choices of who I wanted bond with.

 

Dragon Age isn't the same because it doesn't hold up to the same standards. Even with Inquisition it felt more like a mish mash of various specialists gathered by extreme circumstances. They call it an 'Inner Circle', when I'd call it a motley crew.

[PsychoBlonde]

No.

 

The rules against fraternization are more of a thing with modern military organizations. Since the Dragon Age universe is quasi-medieval, it would feel almost anachronistic for military organizations to have these stringent codes of conduct like modern militaries do.

 

Well, considering that historical militaries have been (supposedly) exclusively male and they were pretending that homosexuality was Not A Thing.  Probably not very successfully.

[AWTEW]

Its medievil based, more incest back then. fratenerisation is not a big deal back then.

Edit: because previous was probably a bit to extreme.

[Raiil]

Its medievil based, brothers were banging sisters back then. fratenerisation is not a big deal back then.

 

 

Uh, what? No they weren't. What the hell are they teaching in history class? Brother-sister incest has been taboo for way longer than that, with very, very few exceptions.

[fizzypop]

Uh, what? No they weren't. What the hell are they teaching in history class? Brother-sister incest has been taboo for way longer than that, with very, very few exceptions.

Obviously game of thrones accurately depicts medieval life.

[AWTEW]

Uh, what? No they weren't. What the hell are they teaching in history class? Brother-sister incest has been taboo for way longer than that, with very, very few exceptions.

Just because it's taboo doesn't mean it didin't happen. But I digress, direct incest probably was uncommen ( but still happened) but incest was not, cousins, second cousins ect.

[trevelyan_shep]

My Inky will fall into the beds of his companions if he sees fit. No one is going to stop that 

[Raiil]

Just because it's taboo doesn't mean it didin't happen. But I digress, direct incest probably was uncommen ( but still happened) but incest was not, cousins, second cousins ect.

 

Cousin incest was common, and is still common, in communities that are poorer and lack mobility. 

[Unpleasant Implications]

All anti-fraternization rules do is make subordinates waste time lying and form resentment of the system. People don't care about rules where their genitals are involved. The greatest human weakness.