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[Larry-3]

In Mass Effect you are a Spectre for most of the first three games, so the faternization rule would not apply to you.

Also, I always thought the fraternization rule was stupid. It is one of the reason why I have mixed views on the military.

[Raiil]

In Mass Effect you are a Spectre for most of the first three games, so the faternization rule would not apply to you.

Also, I always thought the fraternization rule was stupid. It is one of the reason why I have mixed views on the military.

 

 

It makes sense logically; you don't want an officer to favour a subordinate for romantic reasons, and most people have trouble separating their emotions from their work life in that manner. You don't want to muck about with chain of command.

 

Subjectively... well, we're gonna wanna be with who we wanna be with.

[Dieb]

Then again, even modern-er militaries aren't a sparkling (Prothean) beacon of discipline either.

 

[Ashagar]

Its medievil based, more incest back then. fratenerisation is not a big deal back then.

Edit: because previous was probably a bit to extreme.

 

Hmm no, not that it didn't happen on rare which got a harsh reaction as a major taboo but they were much stricter on incest back then as in the early to high middle ages especially amongst the nobility. It was considered incest if you married even your sixth cousin which was later lowered to marrying your third cousin or closer in the high middle ages which admittedly are both far less strict then the Hindu who don't permit anyone to marry that belong to the same ancestral clan.

 

Its one of the things that the only things that would get you a harsher reaction from the church was heresy or by killing or forcible converting Jews which after the events of the first crusade was punishable by excommunication from the church.

[QueenCrow]

Hmm no, not that it didn't happen on rare which got a harsh reaction as a major taboo but they were much stricter on incest back then as in the early to high middle ages especially amongst the nobility. It was considered incest if you married even your sixth cousin which was later lowered to marrying your third cousin or closer in the high middle ages which admittedly are both far less strict then the Hindu who don't permit anyone to marry that belong to the same ancestral clan.

 

Its one of the things that the only things that would get you a harsher reaction from the church was heresy or by killing or forcible converting Jews which after the events of the first crusade was punishable by excommunication from the church.

 

I believe this is one of those wonderful cases in which you and AWTEW are both correct.  While marriages between closely related people, especially nobles, was prohibited in the Middle Ages, all one had to do was obtain a dispensation from the appropriate church official in order to marry despite close relation.

 

Off of the top of memory, an example is in the marriage of William the Conqueror to Mathilde of Flanders.  They were closely related cousins and their marriage was, at first, prohibited on the grounds of consanguinity.  They promised to build some cathedrals and voila, marriage approved.  Another example, from the Middle Ages are all those Hapsburgs who produced the famous "Hapsburg Jaw" through inbreeding.

 

Outside the middle ages, and probably one of the most striking examples of marriage of among close relatives is Charles Darwin.  He married his first cousin.  Many people speculate that the health and fertility problems his offspring suffered were due to inbreeding, and some have further speculated that he became aware of the negative genetic results of inbreeding in the course of his genetic studies.

 

While sexual or fraternization in the ranks may or may not have negative results, incest producing offspring definitely has negative results.

[Grieving Natashina]

.....Now the thread is talking about incest?!?  

 

Oh wait, it's the weekend on the BSN.  Never mind, carry on.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Bethany greatly approves

 

Leandra greatly disapproves.

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Gamlen greatly approves.

 

 

[LOLandStuff]

In ME only the Alliance had rules against fraternization. The turians were ok with it as long as you did your job.

[Dutchess]

Um..what?

 

Do you do realize that Andraste's husband was King and Commander, yes?

 

... and he betrayed her to the magisters of the Imperium and let her burn at the stake. See! Bad things happen!

[Han Shot First]

All anti-fraternization rules do is make subordinates waste time lying and form resentment of the system. People don't care about rules where their genitals are involved. The greatest human weakness.

 

Incorrect.

 

There are valid reasons for fraternization rules in the military. It can compromise the chain-of-command and cause all sorts of issues with unit cohesion, if there is either preferential treatment or the perception of it. 

 

To compare it to the civilian world, are there no issues that can pop up when a co-worker is sleeping with the boss? The difference here is that the a dysfunctional office in the civilian world normally doesn't risk death or bodily harm.

 

Of course that isn't to say that fraternization doesn't happen. Any rule made by humans will inevitably be broken. And it's less an issue when people are not in the same unit. But there are valid reasons for the military outlawing fraternization. And I say that as someone who broke the military's rules on fraternization. I dated a naval officer briefly (I was enlisted), though since my own unit was all male she was not part of the same chain of command.

 

 

 

In Mass Effect you are a Spectre for most of the first three games, so the faternization rule would not apply to you.

 

Shepard may be a Spectre, but he/she is still bound by the Alliance's own internal rules on personal conduct. In fact the fraternization angle can even be commented on in Mass Effect 1 with Ashley. 

[o Ventus]

Shepard may be a Spectre, but he/she is still bound by the Alliance's own internal rules on personal conduct. In fact the fraternization angle can even be commented on in Mass Effect 1 with Ashley. 

No they aren't. Strictly speaking, Shepard isn't even a part of the Alliance Navy anymore. Hackett, for example, never actually orders Shepard to do anything. All of his missions are given in the form of Hackett asking Shepard to do something. The rules on the ship are what Shepard say they are, being the CO.

 

Shepard (by virtue of being a Spectre) answers to the Council, not the Alliance. There's a reason all the post-mission reports in ME1 were fed to the Council.

[Han Shot First]

No they aren't. Strictly speaking, Shepard isn't even a part of the Alliance Navy anymore. Hackett, for example, never actually orders Shepard to do anything. All of his missions are given in the form of Hackett asking Shepard to do something. The rules on the ship are what Shepard say they are, being the CO.

 

Shepard (by virtue of being a Spectre) answers to the Council, not the Alliance. There's a reason all the post-mission reports in ME1 were fed to the Council.

 

Shepard is part of the Alliance Navy and even identifies himself/herself as Alliance Navy in various parts of the series. The only game where this is not true is Mass Effect 2. Being a Spectre doesn't remove him or her from the Alliance chain of command, just as it doesn't with Ashley or Kaidan in Mass Effect 3. The closest real world equivalent would be OSS or MI6 agents from the Second World War who were recruited from their respective country's armed forces, and who retained that military rank. They were both military officers and intelligence operatives simultaneously, and outside of their role with the MI6 or OSS would still need to answer to a military chain of command and follow military regulations.

 

While Spectre authority places Shepard outside the bounds of the law in some respects, it is only his/her authority as a Lt. Commander in the Alliance Navy that allows him/her to command an Alliance warship and it's Alliance crew. Shepard is the only Spectre we've seen so far in the series that also commands a warship, and that is soley by virtue of his/her position within the Alliance. Nihlus for example wasn't in command of the Normandy, despite being the only Spectre on board. Captain Anderson was in command, and Nihlus was merely a passenger.

 

As far as fraternization goes, Shepard is still bound to some degree by Alliance regulations because it can be mentioned with Ashley in dialogue in Mass Effect 1.