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[mesiasmith]

DAO = Oghren

DA2 = Fenris, Carver

DAI = No one

[Bowie Hawkins]

Yeah, his father did that when Dorian was well into adulthood but according to Wot2,  he's been a brat ever since childhood just because of his arranged marriage - bullying his classmates, whoring about in Tevinter, and ruining his family's name in a cutthroat nation where rival families are constantly trying to bring each other down in order to move up in the social hierarchy.

 

Yeah, how dare he be gay at his family? Has he no shame? At long last, has he no shame?

 

Or to put it at least slightly more seriously, do you really not see how someone whose family is trying to force them to be something they aren't might wind up lashing out against it?

[Livi14]

VIvienne does know.  Remember, she was just another mage before she met the Duke de Ghislain.  Then, she started becoming what she is today.  It's heavily implied, by Cole, that something nearly went terribly wrong with her harrowing.  Considering that almost 50% voted not to split from the Circles, I'd say you don't know what the average mage deals with either.  And this is coming from someone who almost always frees them.

Then she doesn't care, and that's even worse.

She can go wherever she wants without a templar constantly hovering over her shoulder. For all her talk that mages should stay in Circles, she herself doesn't have to stay confined in a circle. For all her talk that mages need to be regulated, she herself doesn't have to be regulated every second of every day. For example, we see her use magic to freeze a man for insulting a guest at her party. Such behavior would get every other mage killed by an templar faster than you could blink. Of course she supports the circle and chantry regulations; she doesn't have to live there or deal with them. She isn't jailed for the rest of her life or lives in constant fear.

But would she be as supportive if she also had to deal with Lambert's restrictions or live in a circle like Kirkwall or Ferelden? I doubt it. She is a vile person who only craves power and cares for herself.

[leadintea]

Yeah, how dare he be gay at his family? Has he no shame? At long last, has he no shame?

 

Or to put it at least slightly more seriously, do you really not see how someone whose family is trying to force them to be something they aren't might wind up lashing out against it?

 

I can see why he lashed out against his duty, which is why I called him a brat. Even though I realize that he might not have been able to understand his situation as a kid, it was still a ****** move for him to bully his classmates, but as an adult, he definitely should've realized his importance to his family and acted accordingly. He had years to deal with his emotions yet was still lashing out as an adult over something many people in Thedas engage in. I mean, Emperor Florian was in Dorian's same position, being gay and a noble, and yet he was still able to sire a child for the sake of his family and nation. Similarly, you can force Alistair and Anora into a marriage they don't want, for the sake of Fereldan, and Sebastian into being prince of Starkhaven, even if he still wanted to be in service to the chantry. Dorian's situation is hardly unique and yet he wants to have his cake and eat it to, with little regard for anyone else's, especially his own family.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

For all her talk that mages should stay in Circles, she herself doesn't have to stay confined in a circle.

 
Keeping mages in the Circles and keeping mages confined in its walls are two different things. You can favor one and not the other.
 
 

we see her use magic to freeze a man for insulting a guest at her party. Such behavior would get every other mage killed by an templar faster than you could blink.

 
That is because every other mage does not have her position.
 
 

Of course she supports the circle and chantry regulations; she doesn't have to live there or deal with them.

 
Sure she does. Just because they are not visible does not mean they are not there.
 
The Circle keeps phylacteries and there is a strong Templar presence in any given White Chantry nation (and especially the bigger cities, such as the one where she lives). Were there any truth to the notion that Vivienne is solely out for her own privileges, then why is she not in favor of disbanding the Circle? Without it, there would be no threats to her freedom as there are with the Circle intact.

 

The Circle has all it needs to drag her back and throw her into a dungeon to imprison, kill, or tranquil her. Except, of course, for the fact that....

She isn't jailed for the rest of her life or lives in constant fear.

.... she has not given the Templars any reason to. She has passed her Harrowing, excelled academically, and demonstrated exemplary behavior.

 

But would she be as supportive if she also had to deal with Lambert's restrictions or live in a circle like Kirkwall or Ferelden? I doubt it.

 

Vivienne has explicitly stated that she does not support the restrictions placed on mages after the Kirkwall Incident, or any abuses by Templars.

 

She is a vile person who only craves power and cares for herself.

 
Everything else you said was wrong. Do I even need to bother with this one? 

[MerchantGOL]

DAO: Anders

DAII: Anders

DAI: F'n Sera

 

 

EDIT: I love how people say Viv trivializes the mages issues despite evidence to the contrary, while continuing to push the narative that all circles are oppressive even thought hats straight up not true and half the mages that voted voted against disbanding the circles

[topekaguy]

Blackwall and Solas...

 

*BE GENTLE!

[MerchantGOL]

Blackwall and Solas...

 

*BE GENTLE!

I get solas but BW why?

[topekaguy]

I get solas but BW why?

The nasty bits also the whole lying about it. At least Sten was honest about what he did in origins. 

[Deebo305]

Anders and Solas, two whiny mages.

[Bowie Hawkins]

I can see why he lashed out against his duty, which is why I called him a brat. Even though I realize that he might not have been able to understand his situation as a kid, it was still a ****** move for him to bully his classmates, but as an adult, he definitely should've realized his importance to his family and acted accordingly. He had years to deal with his emotions yet was still lashing out as an adult over something many people in Thedas engage in. I mean, Emperor Florian was in Dorian's same position, being gay and a noble, and yet he was still able to sire a child for the sake of his family and nation. Similarly, you can force Alistair and Anora into a marriage they don't want, for the sake of Fereldan, and Sebastian into being prince of Starkhaven, even if he still wanted to be in service to the chantry. Dorian's situation is hardly unique and yet he wants to have his cake and eat it to, with little regard for anyone else's, especially his own family.

 

The instant Dorian's father decided that he would rather lobotomize his child than let Dorian be who he really was, Dorian's family gave up all claim to duty from him, or regard for that matter - or for him to be called a brat for objecting to their homophobia. 

 

And neither Florian, Alastair, nor Sebastian is a valid parallel, because A: Dorian was not being told he had to marry to personally gain the throne of anything, and B: Refer back to A.

[sorentoft]

Sera: She practically has no story to speak of. Given the state of her character I would say the game would probably be better off without her. She feels very out of place.

 

Iron Bull: Now, I like him, but I do feel like there could have been something to show how important the qun was to him before you make him abandon it / stick to it.Currently in the game you are practically just thrown into it and I barely had any qualms abandoning the alliance for the sake of the Chargers. Also expansion of the chargers would have been nice instead of whether or not Krem has a dick.

 

Vivienne: She's basically pointless as a companion. If she should have been in the game at all then she should've been a magical adviser alongside Cullen and the others. It feels extremely out of place to have this powerplayer run along with you in the mud.

 

I feel like companions in DA:I are, in general, threadbare. None of them save Varric (who has a whole other game to draw from), Cassandra and Solas are even comparable to companions in the previous titles. Even the Awakening companions. I don't think the DA:I companions are necessarily bad, they seem to lack about 30% of their character, and Sera, perhaps, 60%.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Sera: She practically has no story to speak of. 

 

Having to grow up on the streets because her family are all dead, being adopted by a woman who taught her to internalize prejudice against elves, facing prejudice from other elves over her not being "elfy enough" for their tastes throughout her life, and building a group of operatives that end up assisting the Inquisition by acting against their enemies and bringing them intelligence is "no story to speak of"?

[sorentoft]

Having to grow up on the streets because her family are all dead, being adopted by a woman who taught her to internalize prejudice against elves, facing prejudice from other elves over her not being "elfy enough" for their tastes throughout her life, and building a group of operatives that end up assisting the Inquisition by acting against their enemies and bringing them intelligence is "no story to speak of"?

Yeah, I played the game. Does any of that backstory factor into the game at all? No? Then she practically has no story to speak of. The only thing you really get from Sera is a weak, predictable plot of a noble trying to kill her. At that point I really have to ask, was the character really worth the resources put into her? And my answer would be 'no'. The game wouldn't suffer for her absence aside from lacking one rogue companion.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Yeah, I played the game. Does any of that backstory factor into the game at all? No? Then she practically has no story to speak of. The only thing you really get from Sera is a weak, predictable plot of a noble trying to kill her. At that point I really have to ask, was the character really worth the resources put into her? And my answer would be 'no'. The game wouldn't suffer for her absence aside from lacking one rogue companion.

Well my answer would be "yes". She's the only companion in the game with the possible exception of Blackwall who offers any insight into how those not already in places of power and influence feel about the goings on in Thedas. Added to that she has some of the funniest banter in the game and I really enjoyed her romance. If you don't value those things then that's your prerogative, but I think that the game would be considerably poorer for her absence.

[The Baconer]

I would like to add one character to my previous list. Rasaan is a base animal, it would please me greatly to put her down in Trespasser.

[sorentoft]

Well my answer would be "yes". She's the only companion in the game with the possible exception of Blackwall who offers any insight into how those not already in places of power and influence feel about the goings on in Thedas. Added to that she has some of the funniest banter in the game and I really enjoyed her romance. If you don't value those things then that's your prerogative, but I think that the game would be considerably poorer for her absence.

Uh, no, she is not. You see exactly how people around Thedas feel about the whole thing as you travel. Sera offers no additional insight. As a character she is a lost opportunity.

[Deebo305]

Uh, no, she is not. You see exactly how people around Thedas feel about the whole thing as you travel. Sera offers no additional insight. As a character she is a lost opportunity.

That doesn't really diminish her character or reason for being there. Much like everyone else she actively volunteered to be in the Inquisition that alone is reason enough

Her level of skill is why shes a party member and being a direct link to the Friends of Red Jenny is just a bonus.

Sera is the voice of the common people in Thedas like it or not, may as well throw her in the same boat as Zevran who was just an assassin with little more than the clothes on his back

[GoldenGail3]

After redoing DAI, I actually like Sera ( I was nice to her, so she was nice back to me). Then agian, I think Varrics a little cold (I preferred him in DA2 to be honest, I loved him in DA2, he made DA2 playable, he was the only companion that was memorable). Vivenne is meh. Really meh and I was nice to her. I'm scared of Leliana slightly, I'm afraid she'll cut off my Inquistors head off in the middle of the night. I didn't care for Anders though, and I'm in the Dam you Justice! Category of hatred. I didn't like how Merril acted so stupid, she was a very unmemorable character like most of DA2 companions (besides for Isabela, I like her rivalmanced, but I despise friendship with her, I do, so very much) Fenris! Also a rivlamance, otherwise I loss interest.

[sorentoft]

That doesn't really diminish her character or reason for being there. Much like everyone else she actively volunteered to be in the Inquisition that alone is reason enough

Her level of skill is why shes a party member and being a direct link to the Friends of Red Jenny is just a bonus.

Sera is the voice of the common people in Thedas like it or not, may as well throw her in the same boat as Zevran who was just an assassin with little more than the clothes on his back

Zevran actually had a plot and was involved with one of the villains of the game. Sera does not. I'm well aware of the reasons the game gives for her appearance, but still I have to ask, is she worth the development time given what we got? And I have to say 'no' every time. She is by far the worst and least developed companion character we have had in every Dragon Age title. If they had actually worked a bit more on the Robin Hood angle, given it a reasonable plot, I might not hold that opinion, but they didn't and thus I do.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Zevran actually had a plot and was involved with one of the villains of the game. Sera does not. I'm well aware of the reasons the game gives for her appearance, but still I have to ask, is she worth the development time given what we got? And I have to say 'no' every time. She is by far the worst and least developed companion character we have had in every Dragon Age title. If they had actually worked a bit more on the Robin Hood angle, given it a reasonable plot, I might not hold that opinion, but they didn't and thus I do.

You keep stating these "facts" but I can't agree as I see a very interesting character. Did you take her out with you? Hear her banter? Keep checking back on her (constantly evolving) Cabinet of Wonder Whose it Was? There's plenty to her.

 

If you're going to make criticisms about tying to the main plot of the game what about Blackwall? His whole plot is that he's a liar and his help other than as a warrior turns out essentially to be useless. Even Varric only really serves to introduce us to Hawke, which could easily have been done another way. Besides that, it's all just personal stuff. I wouldn't want either to be dropped from the game, though.

[MerchantGOL]

Zevran actually had a plot and was involved with one of the villains of the game. Sera does not. I'm well aware of the reasons the game gives for her appearance, but still I have to ask, is she worth the development time given what we got? And I have to say 'no' every time. She is by far the worst and least developed companion character we have had in every Dragon Age title. If they had actually worked a bit more on the Robin Hood angle, given it a reasonable plot, I might not hold that opinion, but they didn't and thus I do.

/This

 

The idea of a Elf that Throws all that  Cultural baggage out the window is appealing but sera, was made to ignorant stubborn and agitating to get any where with it.

 

She has a sad back story, that and 50 gold will get her a loaf of bread.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, I played the game. Does any of that backstory factor into the game at all? No? Then she practically has no story to speak of. The only thing you really get from Sera is a weak, predictable plot of a noble trying to kill her. At that point I really have to ask, was the character really worth the resources put into her? And my answer would be 'no'. The game wouldn't suffer for her absence aside from lacking one rogue companion.

 

I dunno. I think it's totally worth it to have at least one character that mocks Solas' elfiness, especially that crack about "walking on dead elves". Without her, I feel like there wouldn't be enough irreverence.

[Tinxa]

I only really hate Velanna. She's a murdering psychopath who killed a bunch of people over a mistake and then when you tell her what really happened she just shrugs and moves on.

 

The rest are my least favourite:

 

Sebastian - he's the most boring and meh Bioware character imo. I thought I would really like him when he shoots that arrow into the chantry board but after that he just somehow manages to make his backstory of murdered family and getting his throne back booooring. I don't really know what happened there.

 

Sera - originally I really disliked Sera. I couldn't understand what the hell she was saying and then I saw her stamp that noble's face in like a complete psycho  . I guess I just made some unfortunate dialogue choices in my first playthrough. In my second playthrough I just recruited the noble and she didn't even put up much of a fuss and after that she became much more likable with playing pranks and the cookie conversation so now I rather like Sera.

 

Blackwall - also a pretty boring character overall imo. His story twist at the end is great but that doesn't change the fact that you're just stuck with an average Grey warden for 3/4 of the game that doesn't even know anything about Grey wardens or offer a new insight into their organisation (especially if you've played DAO). He could have at least have been from Anderfels and offer an infodump about that country.

[Dovahkiwi]

Probably Hawke's brother, Carver.

 

'I am not a joke!'

- 'No, you're a lazy brat with a chip on your shoulder.'

 

At least I spent my canon playthrough with Bethany who was a little less whiny. I'm making it sound like I hate the Hawkes but they're not that bad, and neither were most of the characters in DA2.

 

I didn't like Vivienne either. She just annoyed me whenever I spoke to her. Still gave her all the ingredients tho.