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#51
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My problem with that scene was the very way she kills him.

 

I think just the execution (literally) is the most violent scene in the entire franchise - it's so gross in fact, I'd require an additional subplot-arc to deal with that psychotic kill itself, talking to her. I've seen gory stuff in media for a fair share, but just seeing that scene on someone's YT playthrough "ruined" Sera for me for a short while, actually. Maybe I'm completely on the wrong page, but while she probably killed a bunch of people, I did not pick up from her throughout my playthrough she ever did something has purely violent as that in her lifetime. You see, I kinda get the impression that it's even supposed to be "funny".

 

Hence, I always choose to talk her down and tell the guy to scram or die, cause I probably couldn't be friends with her without a proper opportunity to talk that one through and lead her to some sort of "change" with it.

 

I've heard about Sera's scene with her stomping the guy to death but that will never exist in my game and I never want to see it because that's going too far. I don't allow Leliana to kill the spy or chantry sister either and I'm not happy with her killing Felix in the future.  :angry:


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That's right I forgot about her doing that.  She's just so "meh" to me that I have left her out of other play throughs.



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For Me...

 

Origins - I tend to go back and forth when it comes to Wynne. One hand - I see where she is coming from but the other hand, I just want her to shut up regarding my Warden's duty. They know what they have to do and they don't need her harping on about it.

 

Arl Eamon & Isolde - they can go and choke on something - I still refuse to even believe that Eamon is actually Alistair's Advisor in Inquisition.

 

Awakening - Hmm, Velenna - killing all the humans because she believed they kidnapped/killed her sister without even listening to them or at least looking for evidence that they had done so had really put her off me.

 

II - Fenris to the point I don't even bother to recruit him. Sebastian - I tend to keep him in for future instalments. Merrill - I thought she was awesome (if not a little cold) in Origins so to see her completely changed in II was a shock (I didn't even believe that it was the same person too!)

 

Inquisition - Sera. Which is a shame because I had intended to romance her the first time I played Inquisition only to find her attitude rubbed the wrong way so it gotten to the stage where I don't recruit her now.


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Least favorites companions, and those who are enemies of my Warden, Hawke, Inquisitor and other characters, who will never like, respect and rather kill them or send far away then be friends or tolerate with them and never will or was need them.

 

DAO-

1)Lelianna(always execute in my canon),

2)Zevran(always execute in my canon),

3)Wynne(never like or respect her, but i use her...if i have anything good from her death(if i have a choice i would kill her before what she was done in circle) i will do it in my canon)

 

DA2-

1)Sebastian(want to execute him),

2)Fenris(always give him to Danarius),

3)Carver(grey warden and he would be ok, or death),

4)Tallis(want to execute her and give Tevinter and others info about qunari)

 

 

DAI-

1)Cole(want to execute him and remember as my enemy, one of the worst things in DA universe),

2)Sera(want to execute her, beat her and teach a good lessons),

3)Cullen(want to execute him since DAO, especially in DA2 with his meredith),

4)Lelianna(execute her since DAO, in DAI wanted this only more),

5)Vivienne(10x worst then wynne, want to execute her),

6)Cassandra(never wanted her and her friends in my party since DA2, want to execute or imprison or send her far away)

7)Dorian(huge disappointment who never was a Magister, never like or respect him and want to send him far away, but not in Tevinter or Nevarra, i would rather kill him with Maevetanis in next DA game if he would be there)

8)Josephine(never like or respect her and she is antivan and what is worst friend of lelianna, want send her far away)



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Cole, actually. And I'm probably going to lose a lot of points for admitting this.

 

There are characters whose politics and philosophies fire me up more (Anders, Morrigan), there are characters I feel are disgraces to be actively avoided (Ohgren), there are characters I can more or less condemn and live the rest of the game on without a second thought, but Cole is by far my least favorite because Cole is a giant walking violation of consent and privacy and even personal responsibility, and this is somehow treated as a Good Thing by the game since the only people to protest are those cast in the least sympathetic ways possible.

 

Cole does a lot of things I find disgusting on ethical and moral grounds. Non-consensual mind-reading is bad enough, but actively spreading those results is compounding the violation- I consider the privacy of one's own mind pretty damn important, because too often it's the only sort people can ever hope for. But Cole's not just there to get inside your head- Cole is there to fix you, because clearly if there's something a (repentant) murderer and social inept driven by his obsessions can be trusted in, it's know what's best for you... whether you want it or not. Upto and including brainwashing the 'bad' memories away.

 

And he gets played sympathetically- Every. Single. Time. The only times it isn't played as morally outstanding is when it's played for laughs, and not at his own expense either. Cole the Spirit of Compassion is more or less treated as the bestest counselor ever- he heals your trauma! He makes it all better! He wants to help you so much that he might turn into a demon if he can't! If he can't counsel you, he'll wipe your memories so that it's all better? What could possibly be wrong with someone who makes the hurt go away?

 

Well, if you believe we grow from experiences both good and bad, that people should have the right to be responsible for their own life choices, to confront the world and their pasts in the ways that they want to and are willing to... quite a bit. And if you believe people should be able to trust their own minds, to not have their feelings and even memories altered to meet someone's jollies? Even more.

 

Life sucks- it's hard, it's humiliating at times, we have memories and failures we don't like and we have scars from the things that hurt us. And that's a good thing- scars are how we learn and grow and get tougher to stand up and live life. Heartbreak leads to maturity, guilt leads to repentance, anger leads to drive to make a change. Sometimes these hurts push us in bad ways- and sometimes they are what pushes us in good ones. 'Healing' isn't merely a matter of not hurting anymore and reverting those scars to an unblemished state: pain is what pushes us to do things different and better and to evolve as people into better people who can withstand it. People who never face adversity and failure and weakness aren't healthier- they're more vulnerable to when those things do come around. But you can't learn from your pains if someone removes them from you.Yes, some people need help to work through that- some people are forced to get help- but it's on the person to accept it, and to even feel a need to be 'fixed.'

 

It's not the place, the right, or the privilege of some random person to decide who is broke and who is not. It's not their discretion on what memories to keep and what to erase. Wanting to help is not permission to violate the most intimate privacy in public. Needing to act, the compulsion known as obsession even if it is tied with love and compassion, is not justification to change someone's personality and views to make them into your ideal 'better' person.

 

Even if Bioware's writers want to emphasize that it makes people 'happier' to have Cole digging around in their heads without their permission. Even if the only companions and characters to not think that this is a good or harmless thing are depicted as an unreasonable racist and an iron-hearted ******. Even if Cole really, really wants to help, and big scarry things would happen if he defies his nature and doesn't have his way with the targets of his compassion. (Because it is his way, and let us not forget this, because about the only two people who can refuse Cole's 'help' are Solas and the player character.)

 

There's a word for people who violate consent and force intercourse of the most intimate sort for their own jollies and obsession, who force their desires onto others willing or not, and that word is 'rapist.' For Cole the main reason it can't apply is because his pants stay on, but 'mind rape' is a suitably appropriate description for what he does.

 

(Even if it's not the connotation and impact that Bioware really clearly doesn't want us to take away, because showing people feel better after any sort of admitted mind rape would have unfortunate carry-over implications for the impacts of actual rape. Therefore, mental violation and enforcement of will without consent- not rapey at all.)

 

Now, don't get me wrong. I can deal with a mind-rapist character. Heck, I could probably even deal with a rapist character- some of the Bioware PCs can get pretty unhealthy, dysfunctional, and even exploitative with their romances. And lord knows that Bioware has produced enough murderers, genocidal war criminals, racists, and even sociopaths and made them highly successful (and popular) characters. I'm hardly demanding moral purity.

 

But I would like Cole's implications to be recognized and addressed as something potentially very wrong, rather than amazingly sympathetic and treated as one of the most morally benevolent things in the game.


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Cole, actually. And I'm probably going to lose a lot of points for admitting this.

 

I can't disagree with a lot of that. It was just hard for me not to keep him around though... he just provides too much interesting content, purely from a gameplay point of view. And he's well performed at least. I don't like the position it puts me in... juggling the ethics and my entertainment factor. 


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DAO: Morrigan, Velanna

 

DA2: Tallis, Fenris, Seabass, and Merill

 

DAI: Vivienne and Blackwall

 

Out of all of them Vivienne is thee worst.


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Cole, actually. *snip*

 

I keep forgetting to put much thought into Cole (his powers are real I guess), but listening to his banter and bringing him into the party more, it's easy to see why a person like this would probably freak me the hell out, and I'd want nothing to do with him. Like, with Sera's banter, he goes on about the meaning behind the pet names and it obviously bugs her that he's just airing this stuff out, but the fact that this causes distress doesn't seem to register. I suppose it's quite telling that the only person in the entire group that really approves of all of this is the resident imposter.

 

It made me reconsider my stance on whether or not to make him more human, though it also made it harder for me to justify his continued presence at Skyhold.


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DA: O / DA: A - Wynne, Oghren, Arl Eamon, Velanna

DA2 - Anders, Leandra

DAI - Vivienne, Sera, Josephine



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DA:O: Alistair, I cant stand him, I remember having a arguing with him about Duncan, he said the collateral effects about being a warden and my HoF said he was gladly Duncan died then, then we had a heated conversation. After that I stopped talking to him for a long time, when I decided to give him a try I saw a dialogue "I'm sorry about what I said of Duncan", no way I was sorry! I get anger at him again, withouth Alistair saying a word.

After Eamon was healed, he told us that Alistair was the son of the former King, I was mad at him again because he had been hiding a important information from the group (looking back I think I shouldnt be mad at him, he was not my friend and there was no motive for him to reveal it).

At the Landsmeet I went to him and said "I'm going to support Anora" and he agreed, but after I spared Loghain he was all "How could you do that?" and I was saying at the TV screen "Dude I told you!", it just added another thing to my Alistair Hatred pile. When Anora called his execution, I saw no reason to save him and let her chop his head.

 

DA2: Merrill, never thought a character could be dumber than Alistair. I kept telling her to stop with blood magic and meddling with demons, but she never listened, she acted like she knew better, I grew to really dislike her, but I tried to help her to not get into trouble (didnt gave her that tool from act 2). The result was her whole clan was killed because of her and Marethari.

 

DAI: Leliana and Cullen, I think they are both incompetent and I really want to kick both of them out of my Inquisition. I dont dislike any of the companions, if I need to choose one I was going to say Blackwall (boring), until I remembered Cole, his powers really work on me, I keep forgetting about him.


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Oghren in DA:O

 

Velanna in DA:A (my least favourite companion in the whole series)

 

Anders and Sebastian in DA:2

 

Sera in DA:I



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DA1:

Sten - He's qunari. I disapprove. Brainwashed mongrel.

Dog - Slobbering mongrel.

Zevran - Nhhm gave me baaaad vibes. Ew no.

Justice - He was so meh to me.

Loghain - Nope.

 

DA2:

Fenris - I found his magic bashing in front of mage Hawke very tiresome.

Sebastian - Pretteh lad and pretteh voice but eeew chantry fanboy.

 

DA3:

Difficult really.

Maybe Brolas - He's a bit of a douche really.

Vivienne - She moved my furniture and I couldn't kick her lovely butt out of my castle.

Cole - Find it hard to listen to him

Iron Bull - Dunno why. Again with the bad vibes.



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Cole, actually. And I'm probably going to lose a lot of points for admitting this.

 

*snip*

 

Good post. I agree with much of that...

 

However, I do feel like Cole's spirit nature with the mind-reading and "forget" thing does come under fire a bit. It is particularly felt in the Fade when you see that Nightmare makes the Inquisitor forget some vital information, and it dawns on Cole that he does the same thing. Cole then tries to rationalize it with himself. Nightmare later taunts him about this, as well.

 

And then there's the companion quest whereby Cole can be turned more human, and the Inquisitor iirc can say that the mind-reading/erasing he does is not a good thing. Also, making Cole more human appears to be presented as the "better" of the two paths.


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DAO - Oghren

 

DAA - Anders

 

DA2 - Anders

 

DAI - Cole



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Tallis.

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I never saw Cole as being someone who did it on purpose, more that the voices were in his head rather than he in yours.


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Companions:

 

DA:O -

Wynne (self-righteous and preachy, forced to kill her or put her in your party)

Morrigan (acts superior, hates good deeds, treats Alistair like crap unprovoked, doesn't at least have a redeeming quality like making me laugh)

Leliana (uninteresting to me, only rogue available until 1/3 through the game, tries too hard to be sugary sweet and girly when she's a cold-blooded murderer, her combat "songs" make my ears bleed)

Dog (only good for making Loghain talk about himself, otherwise waste of space)

 

DA2 -

Anders (one-note, crazy, forced companion)

Tallis (cutscene helplessness just to watch her be awesome, feels out of place in the DA world, she wins no matter what you do)

 

DA:I -

Blackwall (not compelling to me, his voice sounds sleepy and bored, he can't even make up interesting lies when you ask him GW questions so he just looks stupid, he puts himself down in a pitiful way in the romance)

Varric (resent his reappearance, would have preferred a different dwarf, he lets Bianca walk all over him)



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Least favorite... I like the concept as opposed to I hate you...

 

The very least favorite for me beings and ends with the impotent vulcan wannabe Solas.

 

Honorable mentions include Velanna, DA2 Anders, Fenris.



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Anders, Sera, Leliana, Krem, Iron Bull, Merrill, Duncan, Sigrun, Celene, Cory, Varric, Cole.

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DA1:Alistair
DA2:Anders, Sebastian
DAI:Blackwall


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Wow a lot of you hate this game so badly.....  Especially this one... 

 

 

*blurp*



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Here is my list with explanations

 

DAO

 

Leliana :- Before you harden her, this is one self righteous born again religious hypocrite. After you harden her, she gets better.

 

Velanna :- A harmful selfish and close minded woman who goes on a rampage because she did not bother to investigate or do a little bit of fact-checking. 

 

DA2

 

Anders :- I do not excuse terrorist actions, no matter what. In real life, I am a hardcore atheist but no amount of persuasion is going to make me go "Yes, let us go and blow up mosques and churches, because oppression and because irrationality."

 

Sebastian :- Before you initiate a rivalry relationship, he suffers from the same problem Leliana does in DAO before she is hardened.

 

Tallis :- A person who's actions and beliefs make very little sense whatsoever. 

 

DAI

 

Cassandra :- I am not fond of religious people though I have no intention of harming them. I also am not fond of the law enforcement at all though I have no intention of wanting to deliberately harm them. Cassandra is a religious cop. I am never going to like that, ever. I mean, I tried but just couldn't for its not my nature to like those things. I do not hate her but I will never like her. 

 

Vivienne :- A cold hearted political wench who craves power and control over others like an alcoholic craves alcohol. Not going to like that either. 

 

Extra thoughts

 

Surprisingly, I have actually grown or gotten used to characters like Sera. I used to really dislike Sera until I realized what she was. She behaves like my younger sister does when she is being puerile and infantile. I dealt with my sister by "amplify and escalate by humor" method or just ignored her. After that, Sere became more bearable. If you pick the middle trollish or humorous dialogue options with Sera, you will do fine for the most part. 

 

Cheers.  B)



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DAO  - nobody.  I loved my team.  

DA2  -  I paid little interest to Fenris who was rather dull and killed him near the end

DAI  -   after that little revelation not spending any time with Blackwall


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Did you also killed Zevran and Velanna then?

That's a good question, because both of these characters require some serious effort on my part to come up with good reasons to keep them around (ESPECIALLY Velanna), and I can't really argue with people who would rather just kill them outright and get it over with. With my Warden, both Zevran and Velanna can at least be made of use while being under her command, especially in DA:O when the Warden could use all the help she could get. So, no, I didn't kill them, at least not with my "main" Warden.

 

But what does Pel Harmond offer beyond what the Inquisitor can seize from him? It's certainly not his life that I'd value, because he's just a rotten bastard who could just as well die in a ditch for all I care. But, since the Inquisitor can take control over his assets, that's what I chose, and Sera was fine with it too, so everyone got to walk away with something. It's the same idea I apply to the judgments. Among everyone the Inquisitor judged, Erimond is the only fiendish little pr**k that I felt really deserved the headman's ax, while others were put to use to other people's betterment, or handed over to other parties to allow them to make the judgment instead (Mayor of Crestwood). But, if it was the Warden or Hawke, to whom he'd be of absolutely no use, he'd just have to meet the business end of the silent companion.