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[The Arbiter]

Majority of my games are on steam... no I don't want to start a flame war but the EA catalogs has been abandoned on Steam already. The reason why I am here on this forum is because of the Mass Effect franchise... lol I don't even own the account (it's from my cousin he says instead of wasting money he allowed me access so I could play since well... I am on Steam and he has both). Over all I like the design of Origin very simple good animations as well but... I don't even know about "what's new" with EA games or anything heck I only even knew about a new Dragon age game called inquisitor? only today... so do you think Origin is killing Bioware sales or EA GAMES entirely? and what bugs me is that although my cousin owns the ME Trilogy pack it's all vanilla... I wanted to buy the DLC'S but I have no idea how "bioware points" dafuq... I have no credit card but I do have steam wallet... so well yeah...

 

and what is troublesome is that given the track record of EA if certain game is not selling well they just FIRE the devs immediately to avoid further loses kinda like retrenchment... don't developers have security of tenure? a contract? are they only project employees forever? what the hell

 

 

I just want to gather thoughts what do you think?

[Garryydde]

Most of their sales are consoles anyway, also the people on PC who want the game and will put up with Origin outweigh the ones who won't. They may be losing sales by being Origin only but not enough to really affect their profits.

[The Arbiter]

Most of their sales are consoles anyway, also the people on PC who want the game and will put up with Origin outweigh the ones who won't. They may be losing sales by being Origin only but not enough to really affect their profits.

hmmm good point

[The Jackal]

No. Not at all. If you are really a Dragon Age fan. Then you'll play it no matter if its on steam or Origin. Sure it may not be convenient if you play all your games on steam. It's not killing..their sales. Tons of gaming corporations have endorsed DA: I as their game of the year. Dozens upon Dozens of review give it an a plus. Even EA says its record setting sales.

 

Not once have I heard that because its not on steam. It won't be as big as a success. If you allow yourself to think unless a game is released on steam digitally then they won't have success. Your basically saying unless its released on steam. The sales won't be as good. I disagree with that.  

[The Arbiter]

Nah. But I do think that EA is killing BioWare's creativity. 

that I can concur

[Garryydde]

Nah. But I do think that EA is killing BioWare's creativity.

EA didn't force Bioware's writing staff to become so full of themselves that they thing that whatever tripe they write is fantastic on account of them being Bioware.
EA didn't force Bioware to implement subpar and clunky mechanics into their games.
EA didn't force Bioware to use the dialog wheel in every single game even if it doesn't fit.
EA didn't force Bioware to hire animators who are terrible at their job.

[ApocAlypsE007]

EA didn't force Bioware's writing staff to become so full of themselves that they thing that whatever tripe they write is fantastic on account of them being Bioware.
EA didn't force Bioware to implement subpar and clunky mechanics into their games.
EA didn't force Bioware to use the dialog wheel in every single game even if it doesn't fit.
EA didn't force Bioware to hire animators who are terrible at their job.

1. EA aren't responsible for the hubris, that is true, but it is EA whose forcing them to write the same thing over and over again. If it sells, why change it?

2. Yes they do. In order to satisfy EA's whims about copying Skyrim or other successful games, half assed mechanics must be implemented.

3. Yes they do. Worked in Mass Effect = should work everywhere.

4. If no review site has complained about it, so why not recycle the same animations? Sounds like the typical "minimize expenses- maximize profit" EA atittude.

[Garryydde]

1. EA aren't responsible for the hubris, that is true, but it is EA whose forcing them to write the same thing over and over again. If it sells, why change it?
2. Yes they do. In order to satisfy EA's whims about copying Skyrim or other successful games, half assed mechanics must be implemented.
3. Yes they do. Worked in Mass Effect = should work everywhere.
4. If no review site has complained about it, so why not recycle the same animations? Sounds like the typical "minimize expenses- maximize profit" EA atittude.

1. [citation needed]
2. Skyrim =/= bargain basement F2P Korean MMO
3. Bioware are under no obligation to use the dialog wheel, they use it because it is their creation and they're proud of it.
4. It's not that the animations are recycled, it's that they're all of poor quality.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I think EA is an all-too convenient scapegoat. While it's practices and management history all but speak for themselves, there's not a lot to suggest they've pushed anything on BioWare that the studio hasn't themselves welcomed with open arms since the takeover.

[vometia]

I can only speak personally, but if I'm already wavering over any particular game, Origin could easily become a deal-breaker.

 

Though that isn't specific to Origin: any sort of intrusive load of crap DRM that I don't want is always a liability, so it'll always make me lean further towards "nah, can't be bothered."

[Dio Demon]

I can only speak personally, but if I'm already wavering over any particular game, Origin could easily become a deal-breaker.

 

Though that isn't specific to Origin: any sort of intrusive load of crap DRM that I don't want is always a liability, so it'll always make me lean further towards "nah, can't be bothered."

I personally find Origin to be more consumer friendly then Steam. If a game is broken on Steam well you're fucked. With Origin you have a chance.

 

GOG is the best though.

[ApocAlypsE007]

I think EA is an all-too convenient scapegoat. While it's practices and management history all but speak for themselves, there's not a lot to suggest they've pushed anything on BioWare that the studio hasn't themselves welcomed with open arms since the takeover.

Recent games with EA sticker slapped on it are rushed, with questionable mechanics and shady cash grabbing practices, do you see the pattern? Damn even EA forced all developers under them to use the god awful FB3 engine, whether BW welcomed them in opened arms or no I don't know, but probably they didn't have much choice, as well as Westwood RIP in it's time.

 

To the OP: until I turned off Origin in game, DA:I was unplayable for me. Every 20 seconds or so the game freezes for 10-30 seconds. Maybe just because of damn Origin I will download a crack and play DA:I as pirated.

[vometia]

I personally find Origin to be more consumer friendly then Steam. If a game is broken on Steam well you're fucked. With Origin you have a chance.

 

GOG is the best though.

 

I'd rather just install-and-go without any additional rubbish that presumes I'm probably a pirate unless I can demonstrate otherwise.  I pay for my stuff, so I wish they'd stop knobbing me about.

[SlottsMachine]

In these sorts of discussions it always seems that people argue that it is all Bioware's fault or it is all EA's fault when in reality its all Sim's fault. 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

In these sorts of discussions it always seems that people argue that it is all Bioware's fault or it is all EA's fault when in reality its all Sim's fault. 

 

Alright, pack it up. We're done. Thread's over, nothing more to see here.

[mousestalker]

It actually is Sims fault. SimCity that is. EA really bungled the last SimCity and now they are scrambling to justify their extremely bad decisions, mostly by doubling down on the same.

#EAbashing

[Dio Demon]

I'd rather just install-and-go without any additional rubbish that presumes I'm probably a pirate unless I can demonstrate otherwise.  I pay for my stuff, so I wish they'd stop knobbing me about.

Agreed. But it's how the PC market is. Unless if GOG becomes so massive that Steam and Origin (we all know U-Play won't change no matter what) have to change to keep up with it. But that's a pipe dream sadly.

[mousestalker]

I actually do look for a lack of DRM when I buy. It would be very nice if reviewers would discuss installation more when reviewing the game.

[vometia]

Agreed. But it's how the PC market is. Unless if GOG becomes so massive that Steam and Origin (we all know U-Play won't change no matter what) have to change to keep up with it. But that's a pipe dream sadly.

 

Why should it be, though?  It's hardly good PR to say "we think we may have a problem... so instead of finding out if it's an actual problem with an actual solution, we'll make it our paying customers' problem so we don't have to worry about it."

 

History is littered with successful businesses that took their customers for granted.  And then discovered that they no longer had any.

[Dio Demon]

Why should it be, though?  It's hardly good PR to say "we think we may have a problem... so instead of finding out if it's an actual problem with an actual solution, we'll make it our paying customers' problem so we don't have to worry about it."

 

History is littered with successful businesses that took their customers for granted.  And then discovered that they no longer had any.

Because it's the norm. It's not like they can get their games from somewhere else. GOG only has a few of the modern releases.

 

Sorry my brain is starting to break down, 2 AM here nearly...

[mousestalker]

Why should it be, though?  It's hardly good PR to say "we think we may have a problem... so instead of finding out if it's an actual problem with an actual solution, we'll make it our paying customers' problem so we don't have to worry about it."
 
History is littered with successful businesses that took their customers for granted.  And then discovered that they no longer had any.

Agreed, but piracy is a legitimate concern. Just visit your favourite pirate website and you'll find loads of new and popular games. Also loads of virii, but that's off topic. The dilemma is then whether the publisher forego DRM and accept the increased chance of piracy as well as presumably happier customers or impose some sort of DRM and accept disgruntled customers as an add-on. Steam seems to have hit upon a relatively decent solution.

 

All that being said, if there is a form of viable DRM that successfully prevents piracy, I haven't heard of it. So the whole thing is likely an exercise in futility.

[ApocAlypsE007]

 

All that being said, if there is a form of viable DRM that successfully prevents piracy, I haven't heard of it. So the whole thing is likely an exercise in futility.

Diablo 3 haven't been cracked, and probably never will as a large part of the game sits in Blizzard's side.