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[Quarian Master Race]

Coats was supposed to be in command of the artillery support. It is briefly mentioned during the planning portion for the beam rush. So I think he could be given a pass there, as artillery is typically located some distance behind the front lines.

 

But the funny thing is that it artillery support is mentioned but never seen during the actual attack. At no point does Shepard or the assault element ever get artillery support. 

There's a very good reason for this.

Space Jesus Shepard wasn't operating the artillery, therefore it didn't work properly like everything else in the universe.

[themikefest]

Coats was supposed to be in command of the artillery support. It is briefly mentioned during the planning portion for the beam rush. So I think he could be given a pass there, as artillery is typically located some distance behind the front lines.

 

But the funny thing is that it artillery support is mentioned but never seen during the actual attack. At no point does Shepard or the assault element ever get artillery support. 

You could say all the artillery was used up to take down the destroyer. 

 

During the beam run, a few makos are seen driving towards the beam. Why? I would have them stay back firng at Harbinger distracting him long enough for Shepard to get to the beam or at least try to make it easier for Shepard to get to the beam

[Uncle Jo]

[ZerebusPrime]

How many times did the Reaper on Rannock(sp) miss you?

 

That's a good point, but we don't see the Rannoch Reaper blasting away hundreds of other targets with pinpoint accuracy, either.  The Rannoch Reaper was using some sort of slow-charge weapon whereas Harbinger was blasting away rapid-fire without missing anything.  The Rannoch Reaper is later said to have even shot at the Normandy and missed but not for lack of trying, whereas the only target Harbinger doesn't hit dead-eye is Shepard and both times* Harbinger was aiming directly in front of Shepard, making the act of missing very likely intentional.  

 

The comparison is one of apples and oranges.

 

 

 

 

*Once with Shepard on foot, once for Shepard's transport truck*

[Han Shot First]

That's a good point, but we don't see the Rannoch Reaper blasting away hundreds of other targets with pinpoint accuracy, either.  The Rannoch Reaper was using some sort of slow-charge weapon whereas Harbinger was blasting away rapid-fire without missing anything.  The Rannoch Reaper is later said to have even shot at the Normandy and missed but not for lack of trying, whereas the only target Harbinger doesn't head dead-eye is Shepard and both times Harbinger was aiming directly in front of Shepard, making the act of missing very likely intentional.  

 

The comparison is one of apples and oranges.

 

My take on Harbinger was that he was not targeting specific people but rather targeting the mass of Alliance marines as a group. So Shepard manages to survive partly because he was never targeted individually and partly out of sheer luck. Of course Anderson being the only other survivor is awfully convenient.

 

But then I've always been a critic of just having those two reach the Citadel. 

[themikefest]

It still doesn't explain why Harbinger fired his laser into the ground towards Shepard when if was firing at a rapid pace at all the other targets. The only other time was at the squadmates if ems is below 1900. I guess Bioware did it so we can see our squadmates get fried and for Shepard to see the laser coming towards him/her. I don't know.

 

I would just call for the Normandy to fire at Harbinger from behind distracting him long enough to get Shepard to the beam unharmed.

[SHARXTREME]

 

I would just call for the Normandy to fire at Harbinger from behind distracting him long enough to get Shepard to the beam unharmed.

Well, that's a major plot hole and situation that requires suspension of disbelief you got right there.

Why not use teh Normandy to unload as much troops as possible 10 meters from the beam. It would be that much more smarter compared to bunch of soldiers running on open field in arms of Harbinger's barrage of death.

 

Even Normandy or any other starship firing on Harbinger while others make the push for the beam would be more plausible then seeing Normandy landing to pick 2 squadmates from the fight then leaving back for the orbit where they're up against 100's of reapers.

 

Besides, in opening movie of Priority: Earth we see Normandy destroying/crippling  one reaper. 

[Asharad Hett]

That's a good point, but we don't see the Rannoch Reaper blasting away hundreds of other targets with pinpoint accuracy, either.  The Rannoch Reaper was using some sort of slow-charge weapon whereas Harbinger was blasting away rapid-fire without missing anything.  The Rannoch Reaper is later said to have even shot at the Normandy and missed but not for lack of trying, whereas the only target Harbinger doesn't hit dead-eye is Shepard and both times* Harbinger was aiming directly in front of Shepard, making the act of missing very likely intentional.  

 

The comparison is one of apples and oranges.

 

 

 

 

*Once with Shepard on foot, once for Shepard's transport truck*

 

  I don't remember seeing Harbinger pinpoint blasting a single humanoid (granted I haven't played in 2 years).

[SHARXTREME]

  I don't remember seeing Harbinger pinpoint blasting a single humanoid (granted I haven't played in 2 years).

He precision striked few air vehicles, but missed many ground targets in that scene. 

[themikefest]

Besides, in opening movie of Priority: Earth we see Normandy destroying/crippling  one reaper. 

The Normandy did that? 

 

I remember it destroying 3 oculus just before Joker is seen saluting Shepard and not destroying/crippling a reaper.

[fhs33721]

Besides, in opening movie of Priority: Earth we see Normandy destroying/crippling  one reaper. 

When is this supposed to happen? All I ever saw was that one Reaper that loses two tentacles in the high EMS space battle and the normandy isn't even on screen at that time. And the Reaper is hardly destroyed  since it stills blows up an alliance ship with its laser right afterwards.

That was probably the one Reaper that was made in China as well since all others seem to basically just shrug off the combined fire of your fleet exploding in their faces almost completely unfazed.

[SHARXTREME]

When is this supposed to happen? All I ever saw was that one Reaper that loses two tentacles in the high EMS space battle and the normandy isn't even on screen at that time. And the Reaper is hardly destroyed  since it stills blows up an alliance ship with its laser right afterwards.

That was probably the one Reaper that was made in China as well since all others seem to basically just shrug off the combined fire of your fleet exploding in their faces almost completely unfazed.

Normandy comes in front of the reaper and hits him above tentacles then series of explosions start and few tentacles come of followed by reaper shooting down some other ship and exploding.   

[themikefest]

Normandy comes in front of the reaper and hits him above tentacles then series of explosions start and few tentacles come of followed by reaper shooting down some other ship and exploding.   

Can you provide a video showing the Normandy firing at the reaper? 

 

An Alliance ship fires 2 shots blowing off two of the tentacles/legs whatever and a moment later the reaper destroys that ship

[ZerebusPrime]

https://www.youtube....MVQP0I4#t=3m33s

 

The only thing Harbinger misses in the original beam run is Shepard.  Repeatedly.  Every other blast seems to vaporize something/someone.

[SHARXTREME]

Can you provide a video showing the Normandy firing at the reaper? 

 

An Alliance ship fires 2 shots blowing off two of the tentacles/legs whatever and a moment later the reaper destroys that ship

I was wrong, it wasn't the Normandy but some other Alliance ship, but Reaper destroys second ship, not the one that fires.

Anyway, that shows that Reapers  can be severely damaged by Alliance ships which is that plot hole we talked about. Normandy could have engaged Harbinger on Earth instead of saving 2 inconsequential squad mates. (where are other people from Shepard's crew at that time anyway?)   

[ZerebusPrime]

The codex gave a ratio of 4 dreadnoughts to one sovereign class reaper, IIRC, in terms of necessary firepower to engage and destroy one of the big reapers.  I guess that was data collated from the Turian fleet going head to head with the Reapers over Palaven, but the combined multi-species fleet certainly has enough firepower to rip through the kinetic barriers of individual Reaper flagships.

[fhs33721]

I was wrong, it wasn't the Normandy but some other Alliance ship, but Reaper destroys second ship, not the one that fires.

Anyway, that shows that Reapers  can be severely damaged by Alliance ships which is that plot hole we talked about. Normandy could have engaged Harbinger on Earth instead of saving 2 inconsequential squad mates. (where are other people from Shepard's crew at that time anyway?)   

As ZerberusPrime already mentioned it takes concentrated fire of 4 dreadnought-class ships to harm a normal Sovereign class Reaper. The Normandy doesn't have firepower even remotely close to that. And that is still ignoring the fact that it is Harbinger, who is far from an ordinary Reaper as his design differs and he can fire a dozen or so lasers from his mouth alone. Yeah, the Normady engaging him would probably end in it blowing up pretty quickly. Not that I'm saying the same should not have happened in the evacuation scene.

[themikefest]

 Yeah, the Normady engaging him would probably end in it blowing up pretty quickly. Not that I'm saying the same should not have happened in the evacuation scene.

Not if the Normandy fires on Harbinger from behind. 

 

The what-the-crap evac scene I would have Harbinger firing on the Normandy destroying the ship

[KaiserShep]

Not if the Normandy fires on Harbinger from behind. 

 

The what-the-crap evac scene I would have Harbinger firing on the Normandy destroying the ship

 

It might have been interesting if the game actually accounted for the main battery upgrade beyond the war asset number. Like, if the Normandy has the upgrade, a sudden strike from above diverts its attention long enough for Shepard and the team to make it to the beam, otherwise, Harbinger shrugs it off and the two squadmates die. It's not like failing to upgrade hasn't cost a companion's life before.

 

Anyway, the most bothersome thing is that it's a false bottleneck in an open field. With concentrated fire from a distance, a couple of people could just sneak past, much like what happened on Tuchanka.

[themikefest]

It might have been interesting if the game actually accounted for the main battery upgrade beyond the war asset number. Like, if the Normandy has the upgrade, a sudden strike from above diverts its attention long enough for Shepard and the team to make it to the beam, otherwise, Harbinger shrugs it off and the two squadmates die. It's not like failing to upgrade hasn't cost a companion's life before.

Unfortunately that upgrade is only available in ME2. Its too bad that in a ME3 default playthrough the upgrade couldn't be added with the retrofits the Normandy received

 

I do agree that had Shepard called for Joker to fire at Harbinger from behind, he/she would've made it to the beam unharmed. Harbinger would stop firing to turn around to see who or what is firing at him. 

 

The destroyer on Tuchanka stopped firing at Shepard when the Turian fighters fired at it. The destroyer in London stopped moving because the folks were firing at it. Or course they got vaporized. So firing at Harbinger would distract him enough for Shepard to get to the beam. It would be an added bonus if he does take damage though unlikely.

[von uber]

Why not just jump into the beam in space.

[fhs33721]

Not if the Normandy fires on Harbinger from behind. 

 

The what-the-crap evac scene I would have Harbinger firing on the Normandy destroying the ship

How do you know he can't fire backwards?

[themikefest]

How do you know he can't fire backwards?

Do you believe he can?

 

If the reapers were able to fire backwards, the Turainas would not of been able to destroy several capital ships like they did during the Battle of Palaven. The reapers had to turn around to face the Turains to fire at them.

[TMA LIVE]

Harbinger is at that point the tallest thing in London and Hammer is facing Reaper husks from all directions. There's no reason to pursue. Harby can watch and snipe.

I doubt he can snipe. He has the same shooting ability as the destroyer, where he seems to be guiding the beam around instead of shooting straight. Maybe the conduit is messing with his aim too?