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#101
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Why not just jump into the beam in space.


Might not have worked without being near the conduit. Similar to being in the path of the conduit on Ilos. Doesn't work that way.

However, the bigger question is, now that we see the Normandy land near the beam, why didn't it just fly in close, and have us sky dive into the conduit?

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Might not have worked without being near the conduit. Similar to being in the path of the conduit on Ilos. Doesn't work that way.

However, the bigger question is, now that we see the Normandy land near the beam, why didn't it just fly in close, and have us sky dive into the conduit?

 

Somehow I see this argument reduced to the equivalent of the Fellowship of the Ring using Eagles to fly straight to Mt. Doom. :-)


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Somehow I see this argument reduced to the equivalent of the Fellowship of the Ring using Eagles to fly straight to Mt. Doom. :-)


Nazgul would've taken them out.

Anyway, a mass surprise drop from space onto the beam location would have been much more sensible.
They managed to do a mass shuttle drop, why not just carry on to the beam?
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Nazgul would've taken them out.

 

Oh yeah?!!  Well.... Well what about a catapult?!



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One does not simply catapult into mordor.
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Do you believe he can?

 

If the reapers were able to fire backwards, the Turainas would not of been able to destroy several capital ships like they did during the Battle of Palaven. The reapers had to turn around to face the Turains to fire at them.

Not really no, but it's still a huge assumption considering normal Reapers can't spam dozens of lasers from their "mouth" either but Harbinger can. So assuming that he can't shoot backwards because his fellow Reapers can't might be jumping to premature conclusions.



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Not really no, but it's still a huge assumption considering normal Reapers can't spam dozens of lasers from their "mouth" either but Harbinger can. So assuming that he can't shoot backwards because his fellow Reapers can't might be jumping to premature conclusions.

Had all the capital ships had the missing leg like Harbinger, I'm sure they would be able to fire rapidly like Harbinger



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Had all the capital ships had the missing leg like Harbinger, I'm sure they would be able to fire rapidly like Harbinger

Or more liekly in my opinion he is an  unique model with unique abilities as the different Design (a.k.a. one less leg, different eye pattern and glowing yellow lights of evil) and the fact that he is basically the cataclyst guy for the dirty work suggests.



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  I don't remember seeing Harbinger pinpoint blasting a single humanoid (granted I haven't played in 2 years).

 

If you wait at the top of the hill before charging down toward the beam you can see Harbinger picking individual troops off, all of which are instantly disintegrated.

 

I could provide video evidence but it comes from an IT "evidence" video so I'm not gonna bother unless I have to.


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Nazgul would've taken them out.

Anyway, a mass surprise drop from space onto the beam location would have been much more sensible.
They managed to do a mass shuttle drop, why not just carry on to the beam?

 

After being rescued from Isengard:

 

Gandlaf: "How far can you bear me?"

Gwaihir: "Many leagues, but not to the ends of teh Earth.  I come to bear tidings, not burdens"

 

Yes, that's from the book :P

 

At any rate, the whole Gallipoli reenactment was silly.  The battlefield is 3-dimensional!



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The codex gave a ratio of 4 dreadnoughts to one sovereign class reaper, IIRC, in terms of necessary firepower to engage and destroy one of the big reapers.  I guess that was data collated from the Turian fleet going head to head with the Reapers over Palaven, but the combined multi-species fleet certainly has enough firepower to rip through the kinetic barriers of individual Reaper flagships.

This works as long as the Reaper isn't shooting back. Which they most certainly are.


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This works as long as the Reaper isn't shooting back. Which they most certainly are.

 

That's an easy problem to solve, just combat roll sideways.



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That's an easy problem to solve, just combat roll sideways.

 

I find that moving in a figure eight pattern avoids 99% of enemy fire.



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I almost was expecting something like this at the end:

 


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I almost was expecting something like this at the end:

Imagine how different ME3 would be if the writers of the  Monty Python films wrote ME3


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Mass Effect 3 should have ended like this.   :D

 


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This works as long as the Reaper isn't shooting back. Which they most certainly are.

 

And it only works when said Reaper doesn't have a few hundred buddies at its back returning fire to the shooting fleets.

 

The combined species fleet is nothing more than a bullet sponge, fodder to literally throw in front of the Reapers to keep them from the Crucible. A distraction, at best. Nothing more, and it can't be anything more.

 

People need to learn that.


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Somehow I see this argument reduced to the equivalent of the Fellowship of the Ring using Eagles to fly straight to Mt. Doom. :-)


Yes, with the best explanation in both cases being that both the eagles and Joker are too much of a drama queen to do what must be done.

Not really no, but it's still a huge assumption considering normal Reapers can't spam dozens of lasers from their "mouth" either but Harbinger can. So assuming that he can't shoot backwards because his fellow Reapers can't might be jumping to premature conclusions.

Buttlazor technology has been deemed too costly for anyone other than Praetorians.

The combined species fleet is nothing more than a bullet sponge, fodder to literally throw in front of the Reapers to keep them from the Crucible. A distraction, at best. Nothing more, and it can't be anything more.

People need to learn that.

Sure it can. Conventional victory once the Reapers are here isn't impossible because we can't win a space battle. We can and we would've, if everyone hadn't been fighting over the idiot ball before they got here.

It would be more accurate to say conventional defeat of the Reapers is impossible, given their independence in space and ability to just bomb everything to **** if things don't go their way.

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Yes, with the best explanation in both cases being that both the eagles and Joker are too much of a drama queen to do what must be done.

Buttlazor technology has been deemed too costly for anyone other than Praetorians.

Sure it can. Conventional victory once the Reapers are here isn't impossible because we can't win a space battle. We can and we would've, if everyone hadn't been fighting over the idiot ball before they got here.

It would be more accurate to say conventional defeat of the Reapers is impossible, given their independence in space and ability to just bomb everything to **** if things don't go their way.

A conventional victory against the reapers is not possible and that is backed up by the Codex, the battle against Sovereign, and the battle taking place over Palaven. Even with a combined fleet, the reapers are too strong a force to contend with. It takes the sustained fire of four Alliance dreadnoughts just to take down the shields of one Sovereign class reaper. Which is all well and good until you factor in the reaper being able to take down dreadnoughts with only one shot and the other reaper forces engaging said ships while this is going on.

 

No, a conventional victory, no matter how you look at it, was always out of the question.


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A conventional victory against the reapers is not possible and that is backed up by the Codex, the battle against Sovereign, and the battle taking place over Palaven. Even with a combined fleet, the reapers are too strong a force to contend with. It takes the sustained fire of four Alliance dreadnoughts just to take down the shields of one Sovereign class reaper. Which is all well and good until you factor in the reaper being able to take down dreadnoughts with only one shot and the other reaper forces engaging said ships while this is going on.

 

No, a conventional victory, no matter how you look at it, was always out of the question.

 

A combined fleet thrown together at the last second? Hardly representative of the total potential might of the galaxy. A galaxy which spent almost three years dicking around when they could've prepared. Which still dicks around with the Reapers at their doorstep. The Reapers are not invincible, or too strong. We're too weak, in so many ways. But that doesn't necessarily apply in a battle, or even a series of battles. We could've won those. We just can't win the war conventionally because we have planet-sized weaknesses we can't defend and the Reapers don't.


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Master of Orion fans may remember that a similar dynamic can appear in games where the technologies that permit defending fleets to maneuver faster than attacking fleets are never researched. The game can degenerate into alternating planet-wrecking with no actual space battles being fought.

This dynamic was always present in ME. For instance, trans-relay assaults work in the attacker's favor, not the defender's. You want your fleet to come out of the relay in a random position, so it isn't in the sights of the defending fleet. (I don't think the ME1 writers really thought that through.) But the Reaper's tech make everything much worse.