I think it's the libertarian pov that often gets touted more oft then not.
Solas is just as shortsighted as everyone else. Bull and Solas have this conversation about the Qun, and Solas does not seem to understand it. I think what bull was getting at is that some people may want it because of life experiences.
Solas is just as shortsighted as everyone else. Bull and Solas have this conversation about the Qun, and Solas does not seem to understand it. I think what bull was getting at is that some people may want it because of life experiences.
I don't disagree.
I am sorry if it sounds like I am ranting (not just to Master Warder Z_, but all people). It just is a huge issue to me that some people would have the audacity to have issue with a stupid forum comment without looking at all the angles.
Solas is just as shortsighted as everyone else. Bull and Solas have this conversation about the Qun, and Solas does not seem to understand it. I think what bull was getting at is that some people may want it because of life experiences.
That's true, but I'm sure you'll admit it's also true that people can make bad decisions for what seems to be safety. What the Qun demands is ultimately far too much.
That's true, but I'm sure you'll admit it's also true that people can make bad decisions for what seems to be safety. What the Qun demands is ultimately far too much.
While true, by saying that what Solas is saying is not imprisonment of free thought is wrong, as sometimes free thought leads to doing things that are not "free thought" especially considering that Solas outright disapproves of anything that he thinks is idiotic when it is clear that some of these things may be much more intelligent than Soals.
While true, by saying that what Solas is saying is not imprisonment of free thought is wrong, as sometimes free thought leads to doing things that are not "free thought" especially considering that Solas outright disapproves of anything that he thinks is idiotic when it is clear that some of these things may be much more intelligent than Soals.
Solas disapproves of other people trying to abrogate freedom of thought, which is exactly what the Qun exists for.
Solas disapproves of other people trying to abrogate freedom of thought, which is exactly what the Qun exists for.
Solas disapproves of other people trying to abrogate freedom of thought, which is exactly what the Qun exists for.
Except that there are situation where freedom of thought LEADS someone to the Qun, which is not even discussed by Solas.
But it is not important, as the Qunari have not conquered SOUTHERN THEDAS. Why should Solas even care about something that does not affect him?
Except that there are situation where freedom of thought LEADS someone to the Qun, which is not even discussed by Solas.
But it is not important, as the Qunari have not conquered SOUTHERN THEDAS. Why should Solas even care about something that does not affect him?
Because the Qunari have tried to conquer Thedas and signs point to the Qunari not giving up trying to conquer Thedas.
Except that there are situation where freedom of thought LEADS someone to the Qun, which is not even discussed by Solas.
But it is not important, as the Qunari have not conquered SOUTHERN THEDAS. Why should Solas even care about something that does not affect him?
The problem is that everyone whose freedom of thought leads them to the Qun is then using it to crush it in other people.
Because the Qunari have tried to conquer Thedas and signs point to the Qunari not giving up trying to conquer Thedas.
Are they right now? Is Bull trying to convert him? The question of the Qun is not a subject. The Qun is not forced on anyone at this time, except for the places the Qunari already control. The real issue is WHY someone would be part of the Qun, and that is not a subject that can be discussed. For some, it is not limiting, but order/control of a chaotic and terrible life, so loss of freedom of thought is not that terrible of a thing.
The problem is that everyone whose freedom of thought leads them to the Qun is then using it to crush it in other people.
And that is their choice, and their thought process. They may not be brainwashed. All this debate is showing me is that Solas does not truly know what he is talking about.
@Xilizhra: Not saying anyone who thinks Solas is right is wrong. Just saying that Solas may not know a whole lot about the qunari, so I do not put much stock in that conversation he has with bull. I also do not think that Solas knows much about the Templar-Mage situation.
then again, this is kind of off-topic, so I will drop it.
It's mainly pro-templars who say this.
Hah, I'm hardly pro-Templar.
But Solas disapproves is the new reaction image being used (particularly with his I HATE TEA scowling), like Morrigan disapproves. Or "No."
It has little to do with how often it's used, and more in the funniness inherent in the image. Sten only said No once, but it was enough to move the hearts of many. Same with the Arishok.
....I'm still disappointed that we didn't get to see the Stenishok leading a fleet of Qunari dreadnoughts with a box of kittens under one arm and a box of cookies under the other, where he looks to the camera and says "No.", as the ending to Inquisition.
Missed opportunity there.
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I feel that conscripting the Templars is the better route to take. Their leadership is either dead or MIA. They are wayward soldiers in need of a cause to rally behind.
And of course, having them join the rest of their fellow Templars would certainly bolster the strength and image of the Inquisition.
Conscription gives Cassandra 5 points, Vivienne -5 points and Leliana 1 point.
This makes absolutely no sense if one takes her actions as Divine into consideration.
My male human mage absorbed the templar order into the Inquisition. They were leaderless and directionless. Prone to being swept up into enemy plots and traps. They needed to be reordered and guided on where to go and what to do. They needed to be shown how to conduct themselves. Allowing them to stumbled on their own would just put them at risk of being deceived again.
Also, once they prove themselves worthy and capable of leading themselves, then the Inquisition can always grant them autonomy later just as easily.
Also, the thing with Vivienne, I think BioWare is basing this on the fact that Vivienne respects the Templar order and wants it restored.
All this debate is showing me is that Solas does not truly know what he is talking about.
I've coined this phrase that grows more and more relevant every day: SolASS doesn't know what he's doin'
I've coined this phrase that grows more and more relevant every day: SolASS doesn't know what he's doin'
Allowing them to stumbled on their own would just put them at risk of being deceived again.
How does allying with the Templars equate to allowing them to stumble on their own? The Inquisition can still function as a guide and them rebuild as part of an alliance. Also if you saved Ser Barris he does become a very good leader for the Templars.
(...) Solas does not truly know what he is talking about.
I would be tempted to add "as usual" since he fails to understand both Chantry's Maker (saying that he likes the idea of god that doesn't feel the need to prove himself kinda goes against this whole "you don't worship me enough so screw your world including those that do worship me") and Dalish (here it's somewhat understandable as he just can't see their culture as anything other than their failure to understand what was going on in ancient Elvhenan). Basically, Solas isn't too good at understanding other cultures 
With "other" meaning "those not being his own private understanding of what a culture should be like".
Still, the notion of "absolute freedom of thought" is contradictory as a cultural norm. Basically, if you want to have a society where people can think for themselves, you can't peacefully accept ideologies that have stomping out freedom of thought as a prominent point on their agenda. To protect itself, a culture needs to stand against ideas militantly contradictory to its core values - which makes a proper free-thinking culture hypocritical by definition. But that's a hypocrisy I gladly embrace
There's a old Nordic saying: Words are a weak man's weapon.
It was originally a bit more direct and specific but that's the gist of it.
Or a strong woman's weapon!
If only Seamus lived past DA2.
I would love to hear Seamus and Solas have a discussion on the Qunari and why someone would willingly convert.
If only Seamus lived past DA2.
I would love to hear Seamus and Solas have a discussion on the Qunari and why someone would willingly convert.
I mean, there was Gatt.
If only Seamus lived past DA2.
I would love to hear Seamus and Solas have a discussion on the Qunari and why someone would willingly convert.
For some reason I expected Solas to put his fingers in his ears and chant the same thing when he's arguing with IB. Not that I'm saying IB is right, and I'm not fan of the Qun, but Solas is not so different from IB, he's just as closed-minded as most companion IMO.
For some reason I expected Solas to put his fingers in his ears and chant the same thing when he's arguing with IB. Not that I'm saying IB is right, and I'm not fan of the Qun, but Solas is not so different from IB, he's just as closed-minded as most companion IMO.
Solas is willing to admit that he was wrong but his initial opinions about the Inquisitor and his race if you pick the right dialogue option and have high approval with him. The man is willing to admit that he's wrong.
Probably won't mean much if you goes head with his possibly evil plan, but at least he realized that could be wrong.
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