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[Kohaku]

Hybschmann wrote...

Why is it, that people who aren't fond of TPS-gameplay, like to label themselves as "TRUE RPG-FANS" and say that Mass Effect 2 is a "dumbed down game"? - As if people who do like ME2 are inferior RPG-fans with an inferior intelligence compared to them. In my book - that's pretty insulting as well as arrogant.

I really don't know. I've stated before I hate shooters in general (I play RPG, Simulation and Puzzle games) but even I can just get on with the battle system and deal with it. I don't know where the thought process is coming from.

[Monstrion]

Bebbe777 wrote...

Less RPG then Bioshock? Yeah right. TROLL

Why? I am not talking about the setting or dialogue. I am talking about gameplay mechanics. Read twice before acusing someone of trolling.

[Jim0101]

Murmillos wrote...

Rhogog wrote...

DeadlyZer0 wrote...

RPG stands for role-playing game, which in this game you play a role as Shepard and you make the calls.

That's a very dangerous statement, if you think about it. I mean, you play a role in almost every game be it a shooter, an adventure or even a strategy.

/facepalm


How can you "roll play" when you have no direction (or choice) in the story or character developments of the person you are playing.  Playing as Master Chief is not a "role" because you can not shape or change any aspect of the game.  Playing as the battle field overloard general is not a "role" in a Strategy game because you can not shape or change any aspect of the game.  Either you Win or Die.  Those are not 'roles'.

Roll Playing games indicate you, the player, have direction in the out come of the story or control of your characters development - This is either done thru dialogue and/or character stat development.  Some RPG's are story based with no stats, other RPG's are stat based with no story.  Either case, the player, you, makes choices.

That is the role.

"A role-playing game (RPG) is a broad family of games in which players assume the roles of characters, or take control of one or more avatars, in a fictional setting."

This is the definition i've found so by this you could class master chief as an RPG. Maybe it's because the meaning of RPG has been changed in the minds of some individuals?

[redcell53]

The thing that sucked was Micro management of your inventory. (Armor/Guns/Upgrades) And your other party members stuff too. Why take that out that is the core of any RPG.

[coppercondor]

retard fps is first person u numb nuts

[Originalshb]

ZilaSkye wrote...

Unbelievable ... BW ... you actually listened the whining FPS crowd ... and totally gutted the RPG from ME2... lay off the drugs for ME3 pls ... kkthx

Seriously ... love the story etc ... and the combat was "perfect" in ME1 in terms of havin a tad of FPS without making us RPG folks "seasick" with FPS mechanics ... totally ticks me off that the FPS crowd is ruining the RPG genre like this.  Do you not yet realize that the majority of players the "love" a game ... don't post!  just the whiners that have fracked up dozens of dev team design doc's over the years..as they know "Nada"! about what is fun and what isn'!!

GRRRRRR!
Enjoy!

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

This game is way better. stop whinning because i don't wanna go back to the old mechanics. <_<

Besides, they can't just repackage the old game, people would just complain... Damned if you do, Damned if you don't. hmm i guess you CAN'T win 

[Baalzek]

Motion sickness... lol get a grid and go play D&D.

[BountyHunter23]

I posted this in another thread and I'll post it here as well:

Im really just sick of the ignorant bullsh** people are spouting out on this forum. I see "mindless shooter" being thrown around all the time by the complainers. So would someone care to tell me where in ME1 were players actually required to think? I can name plenty of shooters with parts where you have to think, but for some odd reason ME doesn't ring a bell for me. ME was NOT a hard game even on insane. I mean these complainers would rather have unlimited ammo and no recoil to spray their weapon around at everything that moves without any consequences and they're
calling shooters MINDLESS!? Are you people insane? I mean fine they may have toned down some of the old elements you loved in ME1 but don't blame it on the fact that they improved the combat and made it more shooter like. I mean seriously I'm pretty sure the first few people that beat CoD4 Mile High Club on Veteran had to do A LOT of thinking to beat it because you can't just run and gun through that crap.

Keep personal prejudice against shooters to yourself and then people will take your complaints about
the downgraded RPG elements seriously.

Modifié par BountyHunter23, 27 janvier 2010 - 02:38 .

[Captain Jazz]

FFS!

Stop telling me I should hate the game just because it's not the good old rpg that Mass Effect 1 itself NEVER WAS.

I am a hardcore roleplay gamer, RP is life. I love Mass Effect, I suspect I'll love Mass Effect 2 when it comes out, neither of these games are hardcore RPGs and that is fine. Not every game has to be the same game, ok?

[Twitchmonkey]

ME2, despite all the damn DLC problems, might be my favorite game of all time, it is the best third-person shooter and one of the best RPGs (in the sense that the storytelling, acting, and personal choices are very well developed) that I have ever played. I do agree, however, that it is not Mass Effect 2. Call it Mass Effect Adventures, Mass Effect Wars, whatever, but it really doesn't feel like a proper successor to the original.

[RetrOldSchool]

Captain Jazz wrote...

FFS!
Stop telling me I should hate the game just because it's not the good old rpg that Mass Effect 1 itself NEVER WAS.
I am a hardcore roleplay gamer, RP is life. I love Mass Effect, I suspect I'll love Mass Effect 2 when it comes out, neither of these games are hardcore RPGs and that is fine. Not every game has to be the same game, ok?

True. ME1 was a great game, hands down.

It was also a great RPG in terms of story, choices and such, but it's not at all the same type of RPG as DA:O and such. ME1 was also a third person shooter, combat wise, though a bit clunky, so I can't see how improving that could make it worse?

There were hardly that much character customization, mostly adding points that increased damage and honestly, the weapon, upgrade and ammo system was pretty clumsy, even confusing at times (did I have ablative coating II or III).

Item management was overall pretty weak in ME1 and definitely not a major game play factor.

However, some people will miss those features and I'm sure there will be some features I'll miss as well, but to me story and characters come way before item and upgrade management.

[RogueAI]

lol, this is so true. Funny that the people who say the majority of people who like the game are too busy playing it. So, what does that make you? The majority of the people who think the game is perfect are blind fanboys.

This game is Gears of War with dialogue.

[Soruyao]

Guys guys guys! I bought an RPG/Shooter and it was both an RPG and a shooter, even though I only wanted it to be an RPG! This makes me angry!

[Captain Jazz]

RogueAI wrote...

lol, this is so true. Funny that the people who say the majority of people who like the game are too busy playing it. So, what does that make you? The majority of the people who think the game is perfect are blind fanboys.

This game is Gears of War with dialogue.

It makes me a frustrated student coming up to the beginning of my next semester who hasn't received his copy of ME2 yet.
I don't think the game is going to be perfect, but GoW with dialogue? GoW had dialogue too... and, what, all these videos and screenshots I've seen of levelling screens and customisation are faked are they?

And what does it make you? When I don't like a game, I sell it on and move onto something else... the only time I waste time on forums is when I'm waiting for a game that I preordered to arrive...

[Darth_Shizz]

Captain Jazz wrote...

And what does it make you? When I don't like a game, I sell it on and move onto something else... the only time I waste time on forums is when I'm waiting for a game that I preordered to arrive...

He's obviously either trolling, or just very socially inept. Pay it no mind.

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:06 .

[deadshame]

lmao, shut the **** up and get over it. Its a better game, the shooting in ME1 was horrible and little fun once the fighting started. If you suck at shooters, what the hell were you doing playing ME1 for? That one was more shooter then rpg too, damn i'll never get some moronic posters.

[MagiK XXI]

Notla1972 wrote...

I am enjoying the game so far but there are some changes that are just downright stupid. Can't change your armor on the fly and toggle helmet on/off on DLC comes to mind.

Helmet on and off....Yeah that makes sense.   Now changing armor on the fly....Im really tired of seeing this on these posts, how is this a real complaint from numerous people. You want an RPG yet your complaining that your character cant pull an extra set of armor out his hind quarters while running around an area, do you carry an extra set of clothes around with you every where you go? Then shut up about the armor on the fly crap, you want realism, then wear your armor around and change it when your on your ship.

[Kalfear]

Captain Jazz wrote...

RogueAI wrote...

lol, this is so true. Funny that the people who say the majority of people who like the game are too busy playing it. So, what does that make you? The majority of the people who think the game is perfect are blind fanboys.

This game is Gears of War with dialogue.

It makes me a frustrated student coming up to the beginning of my next semester who hasn't received his copy of ME2 yet.
I don't think the game is going to be perfect, but GoW with dialogue? GoW had dialogue too... and, what, all these videos and screenshots I've seen of levelling screens and customisation are faked are they?

And what does it make you? When I don't like a game, I sell it on and move onto something else... the only time I waste time on forums is when I'm waiting for a game that I preordered to arrive...

Well as for the forum thing.
You are seeing a backlash because people LOVED ME1 this much that ME2 matters to them. Maybe a little to much but thats why they on the forums.

as for screen shots, you will be amazed at the first 10-15 minutes of game, you will tolerate the fighting tutorial and then be amazed again for next 30 minutes of game.

And then you fight

Thats what happened to me anyways. I want to love this game and honestly the RPG elements that remain keep me pushing forward (till my TV lamp blew up...sighs) but the combat is crap. Im sorry but it is. Its the exact same no mind combat from Halo.

This game was originally advertised as a RPG with shooter qualities. Thats not what this version is now. And thats why you seeing the backlash.

But by all means play it and makybe you enjoy it. Some people like shooter mechanics, but the core Bioware audience isnt looking for a shooter and these complaints not going to end anytime soon.

Put it this way, the shooter crowd yelled loud and hard after ME1 about how they hate RPG combat. The core audience didnt say anything figuring Bioware knew the majority was happy. The game got changed (nopt for the better). Now you seeing the Majority push back for ME3.

ME2 is done and gone, the complaints are really to set up a better system for ME3 cause this one just doesnt work for ALOT of people!

[nascentthinker]

Would be nice if they kept the same system as ME1 for selecting weapons (f1-4), seeing objectives, running, crouching, ducking... I don't get this one button for every action "console" system. I suppose that's only a minor gripe though... Oh, and not being able to take the helmet off the DDE/CE armor.

[BIG JEEPER]

delete post... wrong thread

Modifié par BIG JEEPER, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:18 .

[Captain Jazz]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

And what does it make you? When I don't like a game, I sell it on and move onto something else... the only time I waste time on forums is when I'm waiting for a game that I preordered to arrive...

He's obviously either trolling, or just very socially inept. Pay it no mind.

I like to play with trolls... I can't help it
They're just... SO ADORABLE!

[Kohaku]

Captain Jazz wrote...
I like to play with trolls... I can't help it
They're just... SO ADORABLE!

It's keeping my day interesting until I can go home and play the game.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:19 .

[Valmy]

Cream_Poof wrote...

FPS rules! Any more walking around and talking in ME 2 and it would be a total yawnfest!

Hey I enjoy the shooting but...seriously you play ME2 and ME and don't like the talking?  Because there are better shooters out there.  Seems like you are wasting your time to me.

[the_one_54321]

when you point the gun and you pull the trigger, instead of the character doing it for you, it's no longer an RPG, it is a shooter. the distinction between RPG and shooter is who is in control of the weapon. they are mutually exclusive. were it an RPG you'd select enemies and actions for sheperd and he'd do as he was told. you would not aim the gun and pull the trigger for him.

very simple concept.

that said, it has no relation to whether or not ME was a great game. there are lots of great games that are also not RPGs.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:29 .

[Wrathra]

Archilochos wrote...

What's always surprised me is that apparently no one's figured out how cheap it could be to market to the smaller, but more dedicated hardcore RPG crowd.  Same engine?  Same combat system?  Same art assets?  Not necessarily a problem if you've got new story, new characters, new dialogue.

If you look at the success of the NWN modding community, you see this exact thing. That community has existed for several years now, and new content is being released all the time.