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[AngryFrozenWater]

Zoso-six wrote...

I love the new game a perfect mix of RPG and FPS

Do you even know what FPS means?

[Darth_Shizz]

Mikka-chan wrote...

*SNIP*

Weird thing is, though I actually didn't feel much for the combat in ME1 at the time, the rest of the games strengths actually made me totally forget about it.

It wasn't until I tried playing it again after a dozen completions and a large break, that I realised just how badly it worked. 

In fact, it's actually one of the few games I've played, where the hardest difficulty only really made things more tedious, rather than more challenging. Immunity spam. Singularity spam. Assault Rifle spam. Sabotage spam...

Still, I do still love me quite a bit  

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:54 .

[Arrtis]

sinosleep wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Is it possible that reviewers arent that great at reviewing?

Of course, they're all wrong and YOU are right.

That is correct for everyone
Your always right
but its gonna be hard to convince everyone that.
anyways
anyone can make a review you will disagree with some.
So all you do by bringing up a review is just some persons opinion of the game.
that is close to the same as yours.
so i find being reviews into an arguement is pointless as a lot of people are playing the game now and have experiences and opinions on it.
any of this make any sense?
the answer i expect? no=]

[Barker673]

Can't we all just get along, now?



Why not make the RPG and the TPS have a baby? Oh wait, they did. MASS EFFECT 2!

[Arrtis]

But the baby is deformed and has an extra eye.

[Crackseed]

Terror_K wrote...

Here you go, BioWare... here's your new audience; the one you've attracted by making the game more of a shooter. Enjoy basking in their mindless praise.

I can deal with their mindless griping more then your high and mighty snootiness

Why are you still bothering to post anymore? You are never ever satisfied and I'm amazed you even are bothering with ME2. Or are you?

Reporting your post for good measure. You add nothing to these forums anymore and it's sad to see.

[Barker673]

Arrtis wrote...

But the baby is deformed and has an extra eye.

It's a work in progress. Next time it will be slightly less deformed and the eye will be non-existant. 

[malkuth74]

Another one. Well since this is a rant thread the only thing I dislike so far about the game is the Reloading heat Sinks or whatever they are.



Rather have the cool down myself.

[Veritasinpersonam]

Its not like Mass Effect was really an RPG.

[sinosleep]

The point of bringing up reviews is to point out you are in the minority. You are in the minority among professional reviews, and if you click on the user reviews that practically every last one of those individual sites also host then you'll see you are clearly in the minority amongst them as well.

[Destino83]

Look I love both games but Bioware needs to balance the gameplay for the third and final outing.

ME1 was an RPG with shooter elements and it showed.
ME2 was a shooter with RPG elements and it showed as well
For ME3 Bioware would need to make a true RPG/shooter hybrid. ME1 and ME2 are great games but if they were to do that for ME3 they would have perfected the formula.

[Popstick]

There's no one way to make a RPG. Just like there's no one way to make shooters or racing games. Is Half-Life 2 inferior to a more realistic, tactical shooter like America's Army? No, because not all shooters need to be realistic. Team Fortress 2 is another great example. So is Portal. Is Race Driver GRID an inferior racing game to GTR 2 because it's not a full blow simulator? Again no.



Is it such a big deal that ME 2 doesn't feature an isometric view of the world and the only way to take down enemies is to hope your arbitrary stats are slightly higher than theirs and that you don't miss from point blank range? No.



That's not to say ME 2 is perfect. It has its share of flaws too. Certainly not as much as ME 1. But there is plenty of room for improvement left for ME 3.

[sinosleep]

Destino83 wrote...


Look I love both games but Bioware needs to balance the gameplay for the third and final outing.

ME1 was an RPG with shooter elements and it showed.
ME2 was a shooter with RPG elements and it showed as well
For ME3 Bioware would need to make a true RPG/shooter hybrid. ME1 and ME2 are great games but if they were to do that for ME3 they would have perfected the formula.

I highly doubt ME 3 will be doing away with the TPS combat.

[LyonVanguard]

I find it hard to believe that FPS fanboys are the cause of this given the fact that ME is not an FPS at all.
Its an RPG with a fighting element just like any other RPG. Just because the fighting element is different (and better) to games like Final Fantasy and whatever it is still an RPG.

You just have an image of what an RPG should be when in reality the spectrum of RPGs is huge.

[Crackseed]

Oh man Popstick, but I would admit to nerdgasming if they allowed an isometric view for ME3 >.> I loved the option for both types in DA:O - more games need to do that, or at least RPG/Actions.

[Darth_Shizz]

sinosleep wrote...

The point of bringing up reviews is to point out you are in the minority. You are in the minority among professional reviews, and if you click on the user reviews that practically every last one of those individual sites also host then you'll see you are clearly in the minority amongst them as well.

Also, to add to this; professional reviews are considered as such for a reason. Whilst you may not always agree with them, for the most part, they retain objectivity.

The big difference between reading a "My Impressions" thread on these forums and a professional review isn't that one slates the game and the other doesn't. It's that one retains that aforementioned objectivity, whilst the other spews seven times out of ten, overly emotional turd, and three times out of ten, a few valid points backed up with snobbery and passive aggression. 

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:10 .

[Arrtis]

sinosleep wrote...

The point of bringing up reviews is to point out you are in the minority. You are in the minority among professional reviews, and if you click on the user reviews that practically every last one of those individual sites also host then you'll see you are clearly in the minority amongst them as well.

how do you become a pro reviewer i wonder.
Sounds like good english and an opinion is all you need.
I IMagine that people who dislike the reviews of certain sites are less likely to stay.
So of course they are the minority you try to make them scram.
Its very hard to determine who is the minority with 100% certainty thus we have some heated debates.
but who knows ive been known to be wrong.

[Scoop]

/facepalm FPS



kkthx

[log1x_dr4g0n]

It's funny how at least 4 people had to explain that FPS isn't what Mass Effect is...lol That's just sad. People need to pay attention...



Once I get ME2 in the morning...I was going to get it earlier, but **** happens...I'm sure my same view on the first won't be changed and that I will think it's the best game ever - but better than the first game.

[Darth_Shizz]

Arrtis wrote...

how do you become a pro reviewer i wonder.
Sounds like good english and an opinion is all you need.

Definitely the most ignorant comment I've heard for a while  

[Terror_K]

crackseed wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Here you go, BioWare... here's your new audience; the one you've attracted by making the game more of a shooter. Enjoy basking in their mindless praise.

I can deal with their mindless griping more then your high and mighty snootiness

Why are you still bothering to post anymore? You are never ever satisfied and I'm amazed you even are bothering with ME2. Or are you?

Reporting your post for good measure. You add nothing to these forums anymore and it's sad to see.

Do what you wish. If BioWare want to punish me for speaking my mind, that's their business. Funny how one can go from "respected forumite" to "hated elitist whiner" in such a short time just because he doesn't like where things may be going and *gasp* disagrees with the (new) majority. Funny how bashing the original Mass Effect is perfectly okay but God forbid the tiniest thing about ME2 be questioned!

And, yes, I'll have my copy of Mass Effect 2 in less than 48 hours time. It's even The Collectors Edition, and I have the collector's guide on order too. Looking forward to Drew's new book mid this year too. I just hope that despite the problems I think this game will have that at least the story and style haven't changed as far as the ME universe goes.

[Trong Kojy]

My main complaint is, beleive it or not, text sise. I do think the combat's a little TOO fast paced (I hate the clips. The "near" bottomless guns from the first game were part of the appeal. At lease an OPTION to manually cool.) But otherwise I am enjoying, so far. Oh, and in part 3? BRING BACK CHARACTER CREATION SCARS! And give the woman better ones, at that.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

ZilaSkye wrote...

Unbelievable ... BW ... you actually listened the whining FPS crowd ... and totally gutted the RPG from ME2... lay off the drugs for ME3 pls ... kkthx

Seriously ... love the story etc ... and the combat was "perfect" in ME1 in terms of havin a tad of FPS without making us RPG folks "seasick" with FPS mechanics ... totally ticks me off that the FPS crowd is ruining the RPG genre like this.  Do you not yet realize that the majority of players the "love" a game ... don't post!  just the whiners that have fracked up dozens of dev team design doc's over the years..as they know "Nada"! about what is fun and what isn'!!

GRRRRRR!
Enjoy!

Ok to all the people who say that Bioware stuffed the game by making it play more like a FPS, could you please tell me what was so great about the combat in ME1?

Seriously the combat in ME1 was horrible, it took no skill, no tactics and no brains. Combat was decided by stats rather than skills, the person who had the highest stats won, no contest. The guns and armours all looked and felt pretty much the same only with higher stats.

Let's see here...I'd say Dragon Age: Origins is a pretty good RPG, agreed?

Are battles decided by skill?  Not at all.

Are they decided by stats?  Absolutely.

Do people like it?  You betcha, or else it would not have been made as Baldur's Gate would not have been popular at all.

I havent played Dragon Age yet so I wouldnt know, but then I always thought that people liked the combat in Dragon Age because it had a tactical element to it and wasnt just decided by stats. Also the popularity of both Baldur's Gate and Dragon age mostly lie with their story not their gameplay, however they both still had good combat systems and forced players to think about tactics and perfecting builds for different roles.

Mass Effect however plays like a shooter that has taken out the need for player skill and because of the bad enemy and squad AI makes tactics useless, battles in ME are purely decided by stats, whoever has the highest health, armour and damage output wins.

So anyway what you are trying to tell me is that you like games that take no skill, tactics or brains to play and that is why you like ME1 better? Now I cant speak for everyone but I know when I play a game I would actually like a challenge, I would like my games to involve skill, tactics and brains and I for one am glad the ME2 plays more like a shooter.

Juztinb42 wrote...
I'm only 3.5 hours into ME2 right now, so I don't think it would be fair for me to pass judgement on which combat system I like better, but the one in ME1 was much more like a traditional RPG.  Dice rolls, stats, etc.  So far it seems much simpler to me, but maybe it's just the crappy UI in the second game that complicates things.

"The guns and armours all looked and felt pretty much the same only with higher stats."  Well, since they had higher stats, they definitely didn't feel the same, unless you're saying something that I'm not understanding.  So that leaves your argument to them looking the same, which they definitely don't.  There are different textures for each armor and then different color combos for them as well.  Besides, isn't a key part of RPG's getting items with higher stats?

Higher stats dont change the way a gun feels, sure they will make them do more damage, shoot more bullets, and make them a bit more accurate but it doesnt change the way they feel, you still use the gun the same way regardless of the stats.

And yes all the weapons do look the same, there are only 2 models for each type of gun and a handful of colour schemes. The armours do as well, sure they come in different colour schemes and weight classes but they all look fairly similar, they dont have a unique look to them.

Sure I agree that part of the fun in RPGs is finding new equipment but only if the upgrade is significant or unique. With Mass Effect it was just dull "Oh wow I just found an Avenger IV, say goodbye Avenger III".

Quite frankly the only good thing about the original ME is the story and its characters, I am glad Bioware changed the combat and equipment system in ME2.

[josh42426]

Cream_Poof wrote...

FPS rules! Any more walking around and talking in ME 2 and it would be a total yawnfest!

I completely agree, the talking in mass effect is SUCH A DRAAAAAG. After 5 minutes of it I took out the disc and put in codmw2 where I got a 10 killstreak and headshoted some noobs

[MuisicAllie]

ZilaSkye wrote...

Unbelievable ... BW ... you actually listened the whining FPS crowd ... and totally gutted the RPG from ME2... lay off the drugs for ME3 pls ... kkthx

Seriously ... love the story etc ... and the combat was "perfect" in ME1 in terms of havin a tad of FPS without making us RPG folks "seasick" with FPS mechanics ... totally ticks me off that the FPS crowd is ruining the RPG genre like this.  Do you not yet realize that the majority of players the "love" a game ... don't post!  just the whiners that have fracked up dozens of dev team design doc's over the years..as they know "Nada"! about what is fun and what isn'!!

GRRRRRR!
Enjoy!

If all rpg's were bound by the "true RPG" rules.  It sure would be
boring.  On that note, who decides what a true RPG is anyway?  You? I
guess you have a perfect idea of what everyone wants. 

Maybe BioWare was trying to create a FPS with a brain.  I've never liked FPS before, but I enjoy this game.  Just like I hate listening to Rap and Opera.  But I heard a song which combined Rap/Opera and I loved it.  
BioWare is being inventive - crossing genres. 

This game might appeal to a slightly different group of people.  But it's SELFISH to assume only your personal gaming needs should be met.  If you don't like it, go play another game.  No one is chaining you to your keyboard and shouting "PLAY" in your ear.

*deep breath*  Now that I've finished with my rant...

I
felt the need to defend BioWare.  They are pc games greatest creative
genius.  They are willing to break the mold and try something
different.  When people complain about BioWare "changing" - I find it
very odd.  The nature of artistic growth is change. 

Go for it BioWare!