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[CosmicTony]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

how do you become a pro reviewer i wonder.
Sounds like good english and an opinion is all you need.

Definitely the most ignorant comment I've heard for a while  

Yeah, if I start in on what it takes to review or critique anything with even a modicum of balance between objective and subjective views that also helps to inform an audience, I will just start ranting.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Terror_K wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Here you go, BioWare... here's your new audience; the one you've attracted by making the game more of a shooter. Enjoy basking in their mindless praise.

I can deal with their mindless griping more then your high and mighty snootiness

Why are you still bothering to post anymore? You are never ever satisfied and I'm amazed you even are bothering with ME2. Or are you?

Reporting your post for good measure. You add nothing to these forums anymore and it's sad to see.

Do what you wish. If BioWare want to punish me for speaking my mind, that's their business. Funny how one can go from "respected forumite" to "hated elitist whiner" in such a short time just because he doesn't like where things may be going and *gasp* disagrees with the (new) majority. Funny how bashing the original Mass Effect is perfectly okay but God forbid the tiniest thing about ME2 be questioned!

Wow I had no idea that you were actually at one time a "respected forumite", I had always just assumed that you were always a whinging douche.

[Arrtis]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

how do you become a pro reviewer i wonder.
Sounds like good english and an opinion is all you need.

Definitely the most ignorant comment I've heard for a while  

i say your wrong.

[Dellingr]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Seriously the combat in ME1 was horrible, it took no skill, no tactics and no brains. Combat was decided by stats rather than skills, the person who had the highest stats won, no contest. The guns and armours all looked and felt pretty much the same only with higher stats.

not quite, you needed both stats and skill, high stats didn't compensate for low skill (although there was an aim-assist option on the 360 version) and even the most skilled player could always get the reticle over an enemy and still do horribly unless they'd put points into the weapon's skill.

really, I think that combat should work based either entirely on "dice
rolls" or entirely based on skill, it's just a little silly to try
stacking them so that you need skill even when your stats are maxed out
or so that you need stats even when you've got mad skillz

So, IMO, complaining that the aiming is skill based now is nonsensical-you ALWAYS needed skill, hitting stuff in ME2 doesn't require any greater skill at aiming than it did in the first game, it's just that now you can't be let down by a bad invisible dice roll, even when your aim's perfect

Barker673 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

But the baby is deformed and has an extra eye.

It's a work in progress. Next time it will be slightly less deformed and the eye will be non-existant. 

I'd prefer if it learned to use the eye, perhaps to see in infrared or something, that would be cool [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

[Terror_K]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Wow I had no idea that you were actually at one time a "respected forumite", I had always just assumed that you were always a whinging douche.

Wow... it's people on your side of the fence making the insults like that, yet I'm the bad guy. Okay... whatever. <_<

Yes, I used to be known for just contributing to the conversations in a fairly positive manner. I actually defended things like the UNC worlds, The Mako and the Elevators from the first game against those who complained about them. I often posted news updates for people I found regarding Mass Effect, rather like javier does now. Several board members said I should have been a mod... I disagreed, because there was the odd time when I'd get into a heated argument over something. I didn't really start "whinging" so to speak until the Pinnacle Station debacle started, and that was different because almost everybody agreed with me. 2009 I felt was a bad year for BioWare for the most part, starting with the DAO PC version delay by 8 months, leading into the DAO marketing, the post E3 ME2 stuff and finally culminating in BioWare abandoning their BioWare store in favour of the North America only EA Store. DAO was the exception to the rule.

So, yeah... it's only been since about mid-2009 that I've really been a "whinging douche" as you so eloquently put it. 

Modifié par Terror_K, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:47 .

[Noble_House]

Oh yeah, they made the combat actually require skill and feature tactics... Not to mention way more fun. Honestly, ME1's combat is completely awful in comparison.



This is an improvement, not pandering to shooter fans - that's an incidental benefit, if anything.

[Scoop]

yes me!



all you FPS folks want is the "I WIN" headshot... leave the RPG genre alone! be gone! kkthx

[Scoop]

oh yes ... "I WIN" headshot...takes soooooo much skill!! ... whatever! get over ya ego's and leave the RPG genre to the real gamers!

[UndercoverDoctor]

People love to ****.

[Arrtis]

ZilaSkye wrote...

yes me!

all you FPS folks want is the "I WIN" headshot... leave the RPG genre alone! be gone! kkthx

I agree.:huh::innocent::devil:

[josh42426]

well...I was with you for a bit OP but I disagree with the comment about 'fps folks'. first person shooters do take quite a bit of skill but people who play fps are not the ones tainting the gaming market. Its just that shooters are much more popular than rpgs. Hence the need for many rpg developers to incorporate some shooter aspects into rpgs.

[sinosleep]

ZilaSkye wrote...

yes me!

all you FPS folks want is the "I WIN" headshot... leave the RPG genre alone! be gone! kkthx

That's right. ANY GAME that features a gun needs headshots. Don't want headshots? Don't put guns in the game.

[Arrtis]

sinosleep wrote...

ZilaSkye wrote...

yes me!

all you FPS folks want is the "I WIN" headshot... leave the RPG genre alone! be gone! kkthx

That's right. ANY GAME that features a gun needs headshots. Don't want headshots? Don't put guns in the game.

like saying any game with a sharp weapon needs to slice heads off or blunt weapons needs to smash faces...

[sinosleep]

Exactly. Good to see we're finally on the same page about something Arrtis.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Dellingr wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Seriously the combat in ME1 was horrible, it took no skill, no tactics and no brains. Combat was decided by stats rather than skills, the person who had the highest stats won, no contest. The guns and armours all looked and felt pretty much the same only with higher stats.

not quite, you needed both stats and skill, high stats didn't compensate for low skill (although there was an aim-assist option on the 360 version) and even the most skilled player could always get the reticle over an enemy and still do horribly unless they'd put points into the weapon's skill.

really, I think that combat should work based either entirely on "dice
rolls" or entirely based on skill, it's just a little silly to try
stacking them so that you need skill even when your stats are maxed out
or so that you need stats even when you've got mad skillz

So, IMO, complaining that the aiming is skill based now is nonsensical-you ALWAYS needed skill, hitting stuff in ME2 doesn't require any greater skill at aiming than it did in the first game, it's just that now you can't be let down by a bad invisible dice roll, even when your aim's perfect

Umm Aiming isnt the only skill involved in most FPS games but it is the only skill involved in Mass Effect, but even in Mass Effect I wouldnt really call aiming skill because there is the target assist and no locational damage. You really dont need much skill to aim in Mass Effect. 

[Xenixa]

I wish there was a FPS setting in Mass Effect 2.. or 1 for that matter. Normally 3rd person over the shoulder shooters annoy me greatly. IMHO, ME2 has improved the TPS(Third Person Shooter) mechanics over ME1.



This game is still very much RPG no matter how much it's argued it's not. A character stat sheet makes an RPG not. ROLL PLAYING does.

[walker834]

I do think bioware has sold out a bit.  The production values in this game are incredible but the meat really isn't.  This is what happens when you get bought out by a company like EA.  You start targetting a different demographic instead of focusing on what made you a successful company in the first place.   IT's more about how many copies can we sell and how many people can we get to buy this game.  The core demographic gets overshot a bit.  Bioware at least stayed true and released dragon age which is more a gift to the core rpg gamers when they are reaching new heights, but how long will it last is anyone's guess.  Bioware may have reached their pinnacle.    It happened to George Lucas.  It happened to Van halen.  It happens...  It will ****** some people off I'm sure.  Money talks.  It's business and these companies dont always stay true to what got them here.  I'm sure there are people in bioware that care and they probably forces dragon age a bit on EA if they'd release ME that is their big seller.  I do think they cheesed it a bit.  That's just reality.  It's not that bad and they havent gone downhilll yet though.  But they might and it may never be the same bioware again.  Just different.  Maybe they will reach new heights but different who knows.  You can look at it two ways.   They can do things as far as production values that they couldn't do before.   I'm enjoying the game for what it is, it's a massive production, but I do see it's strengths and weaknesses and I don't think people are making these things up.  The game does lack a lot of the meat of prior bioware rpgs.

Modifié par walker834, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:23 .

[AlanC9]

Terror_K wrote...
Wow... it's people on your side of the fence making the insults like that, yet I'm the bad guy. Okay... whatever. <_<

Well, you did join the thread with a pretty douche-y comment. What did you expect?

[AlanC9]

walker834 wrote...
This is what happens when you get bought out by a company like EA.  You start targetting a different demographic instead of focusing on what made you a successful company in the first place.  

I don't see how this applies to ME. The game was always sold as an action RPG, not a pure RPG like DA. A lot of folks thought the action in ME1 wasn't very good. Bio changed it.The fact that a faction of self-described RPG purists liked ME1 combat better than ME2 combat doesn't mean that Bio changed targets. It just means that they hit the target they were actually aiming at.

Of course, that's easy for me to say, since I'm both an RPG purist and an FPS player.

[Noble_House]

Honestly, you're all hypocrites.  You're all going to buy or have bought that game.  You all like it enough to post on its official forums several times a day.

There are too many idiotic whiners with entitlement complexes on this forum for me to deal with.  Screw the game mechanics, you guys are the ones ruining my enjoyment of the game.

[walker834]

I'm not saying it's bad or belly aching here. Don't get me wrong. I actually see both sides of the fence. I think Bioware streamlined the game so alot of people can enjoy it. I get that. What i'm saying is true though. I'm enjoying the game for what it is very much. But it is what it is is all. You can sell yourself both ways. Some people here are all gaga trying to sell the belly achers. Both sides have a point. It's not like the game is bad. It is a production though and some things are skimped on a bit.

[Arrtis]

sinosleep wrote...

Exactly. Good to see we're finally on the same page about something Arrtis.

I still disagree forgot to add that.

[walker834]

Noble_House wrote...

Honestly, you're all hypocrites.  You're all going to buy or have bought that game.  You all like it enough to post on its official forums several times a day.

There are too many idiotic whiners with entitlement complexes on this forum for me to deal with.  Screw the game mechanics, you guys are the ones ruining my enjoyment of the game.

i'm the only non hypocrit here.  I resent that.  Maybe not the only but i'm far from a hypocrit.  You are a hypocrit for classifying everyone here as hypocrits.  That's a hypocritical statement in itself.

Modifié par walker834, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:30 .