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[Heidirs]

Is the argument between Hawke and the Warden in the Fade different depending on your game choices?

 

When I first played the game, I thought Hawke and the Warden were going to start slinging fists. The second time I played, I thought the the argument was much more subdued - a few words were spoken, but nothing major. I passed it off as just the effect of seeing the scene for the second time.

 

However, my husband got to the Fade today and said he thought his Hawke/warden argument was much more heated than mine (he saw my second playthrough).

 

So, now I'm wondering if I was correct at first and there is something that changes up the argument?

[Heidirs]

my Hawke was diplomatic both times and his was sarcastic

 

The only difference I can think of was siding with mages the first time and templars with the other

 

But I have no idea why that would make a difference

[Heidirs]

maybe it is the mages then.... I wonder why

 

I'll have to see if I can find the different arguments on youtube...

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Probably Hawke's personality affects some lines, but I guess it doesn't change his/her views on what the Grey Wardens did. Same for Stroud/Alistair/Loghain.

[Heidirs]

So I did some hunting around. It looks like you can definitely get different dialogue, I just don't know what causes it. I found two playthroughs, one that sided with mages and one with templars, and they both had the same dialogue. But then I came across these two, which are different. I have no idea as to their history:

 

https://youtu.be/8Z6PfyDAVLI?t=25m20s

 

https://youtu.be/j6HUVhwzwVY?t=20m32s

 

So maybe it is Hawke personality? If it is, there should be a third dialogue version in there somewhere.

 

But if it is, then I don't know how I got two different conversations with a diplomatic Hawke...

[Fireheart]

I kinda remember something like this in my 2 playthroughs. My question to you is this: what did you do with the Wardens before going into the Fade? When you're in Adamant, you come across a group of Wardens and you can tell them to surrender or something else (i forget what) so that you can avoid fighting them. Then later when you confront Clarel, you can give her and the wardens in front of her a sort of "pep talk"(if you spared the earlier wardens) that makes them snap out of it, and then Clarel orders the Wardens to help you fight the Pride and other demons. You can also gain their aid if you bring Blackwall and have him talk to them. My first playthrough, I gained the Wardens' aid, but the second, I killed the first group, and I didn't have Blackwall with me, so I was forced to fight the wardens in addition to the Pride demon. My Hawke was aggressive both times, and I got different dialogue between Hawke and Stroud in the Fade, so maybe this has something to do with it? It's the only thing I can figure...

[Heidirs]

I kinda remember something like this in my 2 playthroughs. My question to you is this: what did you do with the Wardens before going into the Fade? When you're in Adamant, you come across a group of Wardens and you can tell them to surrender or something else (i forget what) so that you can avoid fighting them. Then later when you confront Clarel, you can give her and the wardens in front of her a sort of "pep talk"(if you spared the earlier wardens) that makes them snap out of it, and then Clarel orders the Wardens to help you fight the Pride and other demons. You can also gain their aid if you bring Blackwall and have him talk to them. My first playthrough, I gained the Wardens' aid, but the second, I killed the first group, and I didn't have Blackwall with me, so I was forced to fight the wardens in addition to the Pride demon. My Hawke was aggressive both times, and I got different dialogue between Hawke and Stroud in the Fade, so maybe this has something to do with it? It's the only thing I can figure...

 

I told the Wardens that we were there to stop Carrel, not to kill wardens and if they stood down, we wouldn't fight them. Did that both times.

 

My pep talk was different because once I had blackwall and the other time I used some kind knowledge perk dialogue. I'm pretty certain gained their aid both times.

 

So, yeah. I don't know.

 

I haven't been able to find a third dialogue from Hawke, so either it's not based on personality or I need to hunt more. Though it doesn't make sense to me that Hawke would say "we don't need the Wardens" vs "they need to be checked" just on personality. It would make more sense for player's choice in game... I just can't figure out what.

 

I got the lighter "wardens need to be checked" dialogue the second time. I don't remember what I got the first time, but I remember thinking "Whoa! Hawke is pissed!"

[Heidirs]

Talked with my husband. He got the more aggressive dialogue with "the Wardens gone is what we need." 

 

He thinks the Hawke dialogue might be related to who you have in your party. The video with the more aggressive dialogue has Solas, Cassandra, and Dorian - which has 2 people FOR exiling the Wardens. The video with the less aggressive dialogue has Blackwall, Dorian, and Varric - which has 2 people FOR allying with the wardens.

 

For my husband's playthrough, he had Solas, Varric, and Iron Bull - 2 people FOR exile.

 

The playthrough I had the less aggressive dialogue, I had Cassandra, Iron Bull, and Dorian - 2 people FOR allying. My first playthrough with the more aggressive dialogue was Solas, Blackwall, and Cole - 2 people FOR exile.

 

So maybe it is based on who you take with you.

 

I'd have to make a save point and switch out my party members before the quest to see if it's true.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Talked with my husband. He got the more aggressive dialogue with "the Wardens gone is what we need." 
 
He thinks the Hawke dialogue might be related to who you have in your party. The video with the more aggressive dialogue has Solas, Cassandra, and Dorian - which has 2 people FOR exiling the Wardens. The video with the less aggressive dialogue has Blackwall, Dorian, and Varric - which has 2 people FOR allying with the wardens.
 
For my husband's playthrough, he had Solas, Varric, and Iron Bull - 2 people FOR exile.
 
The playthrough I had the less aggressive dialogue, I had Cassandra, Iron Bull, and Dorian - 2 people FOR allying. My first playthrough with the more aggressive dialogue was Solas, Blackwall, and Cole - 2 people FOR exile.
 
So maybe it is based on who you take with you.
 
I'd have to make a save point and switch out my party members before the quest to see if it's true.

That... Might be the strangest flag Bioware has ever implemented. From a meta standpoint it sort of makes sense... In-game though? Is this suggesting some influence of the Fade on Hawke? What... Why?

[Laughing_Man]

I just thought that this was very strange, even compared to how BW hijacked Hawke's opinions on blood-magic.

 

Hawke is a blight survivor, one of his siblings got squished by darkspawn. The wardens stopped the blight.

 

How is this equation ending with Hawke hating the idea of wardens? I mean, he knows more than anyone how bad the blight can be.

The wardens may not be perfect, but they are clearly needed in the face of the infectious horde.

[Bunny]

Could Hawke's attitude on the wardens be tied up with Bethany/Carver becoming a warden? I never got that result when I played DA2, but that's a possible outcome, right?

[AlexiaRevan]

the only time Hawke wasnt angry , is if Alistair is the warden . And that kinda dissapointing ....cose I always leave stroud behind . 

[Laughing_Man]

the only time Hawke wasnt angry , is if Alistair is the warden . And that kinda dissapointing ....cose I always leave stroud behind . 

 

Even stranger.

[Heidirs]

the only time Hawke wasnt angry , is if Alistair is the warden . And that kinda dissapointing ....cose I always leave stroud behind . 

 

So I found this one with Alistair as Warden:

 

https://youtu.be/26ygtORVOGw?t=27m43s

 

It's the same dialogue as the none aggressive one, but the party is built up of Solas, Cole, and Cassandra - 3 people FOR exile.

 

So either it's not based on party members, somehow having 3 instead of 2 for exile throws things off, or Alistair is too charming for Hawke to yell at him.

 

 

I just thought that this was very strange, even compared to how BW hijacked Hawke's opinions on blood-magic.

 

Hawke is a blight survivor, one of his siblings got squished by darkspawn. The wardens stopped the blight.

 

How is this equation ending with Hawke hating the idea of wardens? I mean, he knows more than anyone how bad the blight can be.

The wardens may not be perfect, but they are clearly needed in the face of the infectious horde.

 

I think it's strange too. I have difficultly logic-ing Hawke being anti-warden, especially considering Hawke's sibling can BE a warden. 

 

That said, Hawke being anti-blood magic doesn't make total sense either considering Hawke can BE a blood mage. 

[Heidirs]

Could Hawke's attitude on the wardens be tied up with Bethany/Carver becoming a warden? I never got that result when I played DA2, but that's a possible outcome, right?

 

That would make sense, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, considering how everything else with Hawke doesn't make sense, I'm doubting Bioware went that route.

 

All I know is, I played the game twice, did not make any changes to my Keep, and got different dialogue with Hawke. Hawke's sibling wasn't a Warden, and I didn't change up my play style much on the second go through... so I don't know if Hawke's dialogue could have been effected by something the Inquisitor did...

[Heidirs]

Found one with the more aggressive dialogue with Alistair!

 

https://youtu.be/JE-xfXXyQ6I?t=5m41s

 

That one has Iron Bull, Solas, and Cole - 2 people FOR exile.

 

Maybe having 3 people for exile in the other video meant Hawke had to have the gentler dialogue so you had someone not crying for exile?

 

... definitely looks like I'm going to have a make a save before Adamant to check this...

[Melyanna]

I only seem to get the nicer dialogue when Hawke talks to Loghain, of all people.

[wright1978]

Interesting, Hawke's angry attitude annoyed me intensely as it seemed completely out of character with My Hawke.

I'll be very interesting in finding out how to avoid it in future.

[Heidirs]

Interesting, Hawke's angry attitude annoyed me intensely as it seemed completely out of character with My Hawke.

I'll be very interesting in finding out how to avoid it in future.

 

I was hoping I had some saves on my previous playthroughs before Adamant. No such luck. 

 

Playthrough 3, here I come.

[Mikka-chan]

Huh.  Interesting.  I only have two playthroughs now, but...

 

 

+ In my first, it was diplomatic Hawke with Stroud, Caver as a Warden, and Solas, Blackwall, and Varric as Inquisitor's party.   I spared the first group of Wardens, and had Blackwall talk to the second, so Carol was on our side.  Hawke was bitter about blood magic, but never got in a real argument with Stroud or said anything horrible at the Wardens: they basically decided they'd 'We'll talk about this later'.

 

+ In my first, it was another diplomatic Hawke with Loghain, Bethany as Mage (and, um, I think dead), and Cassandra, Sera, and Viv.  We ended up killing all the Warden's we ran in to.  Despite being soft-spoken about it, Hawke was obviously furious (I really thought she might deck Loghain): at one point my Inquisitor had to break them apart and remind them they needed to continue on.

 

 

So by my examples, it's either having the sibling as a Warden, or whether you talk the Warden's out of fighting you... I think?  Hm.

[Heidirs]

So by my examples, it's either having the sibling as a Warden, or whether you talk the Warden's out of fighting you... I think?  Hm.

 

Well, in my two playthroughs, I had no Warden siblings and talked the Wardens out of fighting both times, and I still got the different dialogues between the two. 

[thats1evildude]

I got the "Hawke is totally pissed at Stroud" version. I think it might depend on whether or not Hawke sided with the mages in DA2.

[Heidirs]

Hawked sided with the mages both times, and I still got both dialogue.

 

It would make sense if what Hawke said was dependent on choices made in DA2. But I did not change my world state for those two playthroughs. So that can't be it.... unless it was some bug.

 

Anyone with a save before Adamant want to check out the party members theory? I got a long way to go to get there.