Wait, wait! I just thought of something. Maybe it depends on your response during the dialogue at the Tevinter ritual tower after you meet Erimond for the first time and battle the brainwashed Warden mages.
I selected the middle option, which got the line "Human sacrifices, demon summoning? Who looks at this and thinks it's a good idea?" And later, I got the heated argument in the Fade.
Hawke and the Warden ally get into a heated argument about the Wardens' culpability in the Divine's death, to which the Inquisitor can agree with either or urge them to put the argument aside for now.
Wait, wait! I just thought of something. Maybe it depends on your response during the dialogue at the Tevinter ritual tower after you meet Erimond for the first time and battle the brainwashed Warden mages.
I selected the middle option, which got the line "Human sacrifices, demon summoning? Who looks at this and thinks it's a good idea?" And later, I got the heated argument in the Fade.
I did choose different dialogue options, but they were both of the saving the wardens variety, so I don't know...
Does Hawke's dialogue become aggressive before or after the Inquisitor intervenes?
Before. You can check the links I posted.
my Hawke was diplomatic both times and his was sarcastic
The only difference I can think of was siding with mages the first time and templars with the other
But I have no idea why that would make a difference
I think it would, at some point of the argument, Stroud said that my Hawke supported the mages in doing chaos in Kirkwall, and my Hawke sided with the mages as you can see
I have a custom world state imported and the dialogue in the fade is always the same for me, regardless of who I take pro or anti warden. Hawke always is one step from decking Stroud.
Mine had a female diplomatic rogue Hawke who sided with templars. The anger was more hers directed at Stroud, and then Stroud fires back that she slaughtered all the mages in Kirkwall, to which she countered that it was to prevent the same kind of blood magic that the Wardens are now using. I don't think she was ever threatening to Stroud, she was just angry and frustrated that Stroud didn't seem to be understanding the situation, in her opinion.
I think it would, at some point of the argument, Stroud said that my Hawke supported the mages in doing chaos in Kirkwall, and my Hawke sided with the mages as you can see
It would make sense, but I found two playthroughs on youtube, one that sided with mages and one with templars, and they both had the same dialogue from Hawke.
What seems even stranger is that only a short time later Hawke suddenly gets a complete change of heart and wants Stroud to rebuild the Wardens and sacrifice themselves to allow him to escape, apparently because they've got a guilty conscience about releasing Corypheus. Yet the thing they will be fighting is not Corypheus but the nightmare demon; Corypheus will still be out there if they feel they have a responsibility to deal with him. And Hawke seems to have suddenly forgotten the fact that Corypheus was the Wardens' responsibility since they imprisoned him in the first place and then blackmailed Hawke's father into helping them, which is the whole reason they got involved.
I think it must be a whole combination of things to get a certain dialogue. My Hawkes have been either diplomatic or sarcastic but I'm pretty sure I've always got the more aggressive attitude towards the Wardens. My Hawkes have always sided with the mages and I'm pretty sure at least one of the runs had Carver as Warden, so I really don't know what the combination needs to be.
for what it's worth I went through the quest with Blackwall (against exile) solas (for exile) and varric (neutral) with a snarky hawke that sided with the mages, had carver as a templar, and stroud was the warden but I have always gotten the more aggressive tone.
It might be worth noting that in that WS Hawke killed Anders but also romanced him, so maybe one factors over another? Also Hawke sided with larius in legacy.
hmm... I always counted Varric as against exile, which would match up with the "2 people against exile = aggressive dialogue" theory.
As, I've said before, I had same Keep choices both times - Anders lived, no romance - but still got both dialogues.
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My Hawke who was a Mage and sided with the Templars seemed to be arguing more diplomatically (that's what she was) than aggressively with Loghain. He too was rather soft with his replies to her. She also romanced Fenris, let Anders live and told Varric not to keep the red Lyrium. Not sure if any of that changes things.
I just replayed this part for the first time in a while, and Hawke seemed way angrier than I remember. Exact same world state, so it's nothing to do with Hawke or who Hawke happens to be yelling at. I know my party was different because I brought Sera the first time and Cole the second, but I can't remember the other two. First run I allied with mages, second I conscripted the Templars.
EDIT: Other Hawke stuff-
Sarcastic, romanced and killed Anders, sided with mages, Carver was a Warden.
I lost the saves of my Hawke who sided with the mages but I got the aggressive dialogue. The Warden was Stroud and the companions were against exiling the wardens.
In case of my pro-templar Hawke it didn't matter who I brought along. I even tried a solo run. She always jumped down Alistair's throat.
Both Hawkes were sarcastic, both killed Anders, Carver was a Warden and both sided with Larius.
I finished Here Lies the Abyss earlier today with a sarcastic Hawke that sided with the templars and Alistair.
When Hawke starts going off about the Wardens causing the Divine's death, Alistair called him out for killing "practically every mage in Kirkwall."
Definitely the first time I had heard that part of the argument.
The argument between Hawke and the Warden changes depending on who Hawke sided with at the end of Dragon Age ][, Mages or Templars.
The "killing every mage in Kirkwall" or "Protecting innocent mages" part changes based on whether or not Hawke sided with the mages or Templars.
But the "the wardens need to be checked" or "we need a world without Wardens" is based on something else, and that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Might it be the way the Inquisitor addressed / appealed to WC Clarel and the wardens? I've no idea if the event / response would turn out differently if the second choice was chosen; I've always taken the first one; reminding them of their great deeds and sacrifices in the past, that the inquisition would not have opposed them if it was not for certain they were being used. The wardens stopped and looked to the WC, obviously with doubts.
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