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[Darkarus]

Can other characters die in the spots you mentioned? If not, that is treating Liara and Vega differently.

You just want to kill them without dooming the galaxy. If you just said that from the start, there'd be less confusion. More butthurt perhaps...

Ignore him, he just hates Liara and the new additions to the crew in ME3 and wants to kill them and minimize their involvement at every turn. I would suspect he wishes that at the end of Shadow Broker DLC he could kill Liara and give the network to Miranda because he sees Liara as a writers pet.

[sjsharp2011]

I feel the same about ME2, it's like it's a huge side mission, but I still enjoyed it and its characters a great deal. Still the weakest game in the Trilogy for me though.
As for ME1 and ME3, I'm satisfied with both of them. I don't have many problems with those games, not even with the ending of ME3.
 
As for the Reapers targeting earth. There was already foreshadowing in ME2, during the Collector ship investigation. And for me, it makes sense. They feel threatened by the human we play, badass Shepard.
 
The finding of the Crucible plans, yeah, that came off as a bit fast, but then iirc Liara says she has spent quite some time at the archives. Don't remember if we know how long exactly, but I believe she states that Dr. Eva has been there for several weeks already.
 
Cerberus going all crazy didn't surprise me either. They were built up a lot in ME2 already. With the resources they have I don't think it's impossible to build a big network. But maybe that's just me.

My guess is most of that search for the crucible data or info on how to defeat the reapers takes place between the destruction of the Alpha relay in Arrival and the start of ME3 because really to me that's when the galaxy kind of started to take Shepard's warnings about the reapers seriously. I think it's obvious that there was at least a few months between the 2 events but exactly how much time has passed is pretty unclear as even Kenson said that it would take the reapers a few months to travel to one of the other relays after the Alpha relay was destroyed.

[fraggle]

My guess is most of that search for the crucible data or info on how to defeat the reapers takes place between the destruction of the Alpha relay in Arrival and the start of ME3 because really to me that's when the galaxy kind of started to take Shepard's warnings about the reapers seriously. I think it's obvious that there was at least a few months between the 2 events but exactly how much time has passed is pretty unclear as even Kenson said that it would take the reapers a few months to travel to one of the other relays after the Alpha relay was destroyed.

 

Yeah, Liara mentions during Priority: Mars that after the Alpha Relay destruction she had to do something. She also states that Hackett asked her if she could not use her Broker resources to do some digging. I guess that information network came in handy

I believe it was 6 months between these events

[xtorma]

I accept it obviously, but I think they could have done a lot better. I am looking forward to how they do ME4, and how they apply the lessons they learned from this trilogy.

[themikefest]

Ignore her,

You can't be referring to me since I'm a guy
 

she just hates Liara

Me, a guy. indeed hates Liara
 

and the new additions to the crew in ME3

What new additions to the crew do you believe I hate?
 

and wants to kill them

Not want to, but I do since the game lets me and only on specific playthroughs
 

and minimize their involvement at every turn.

Its not hard to minimize the role of the crew. Just don't talk to them.
 

I would suspect she wishes that at the end of Shadow Broker DLC she could kill Liara

Me, a guy, would have no problem killing her in the dlc or at least letting her die
 

and give the network to Miranda

Why would I do that?
 

because she sees Liara as a writers pet.

Me, a guy, does see her as a writers pet, not very well groomed, but still a pet

[Ithurael]

Lol^^

 

This is why you never assume...cause when you do you make an @$$ out of U and ME!

[The Gman707]

Apart from the original ME3 ending which were a bit dissapointing, i i found all of ME's story (and expanded universe) great. Sure there are some plot holes and stuff but what bit of media doesn'? Even the best of tv does (true blood was full of em) so i just ignore em and enjoy the overall experience.

[CronoDragoon]

-- Put the Crucible plans somewhere other than Mars, in a previously undiscovered archive. Probably be best to foreshadow this earlier --maybe Liara found the location in the Shadow Broker's data?

 

I'm actually all right with this since reading Homeworlds. The key is Liara going to Kahje and essentially bribing the hanar with ungodly amounts of money to access their archive (normally closed to anyone who asks), which ends in her finding encryption keys which unlock older parts of the Mars archive.

 

Small things I'd change:

 

ME1:

 

1. Find a better excuse for how Shepard gets onto Saren's trail than "some guy took a nap behind boxes and saw Saren shoot Nihilus, then said guy went unseen by legions of patrolling geth after."

 

2. Make the Conduit into something else that lets Sovereign unlock the relay. Even if it's not a plothole, it's a very underwhelming plot twist that it's just a backdoor onto the Citadel, something which only feels useful to the events of ME1 once the protagonists happen to need a backdoor onto the Citadel.

 

3. Give Garrus and Tali the depth of character they have in ME2/3, instead of Tali being a walking codex about the quarians/geth and Garrus lacking a sense of humor. Also, rework Liara's character a bit to make the Shadow Broker transformation more believable. Less cliche virgin nerd (which Tali does better anyway) and more vengeful info hunter.

 

4. Fix crouching cover so I don't need to crouch and then cover. Just let me auto-crouch into cover like ME2-3.

 

5. The Renegade ending has always been stupid. Instead of an all-human Council, simply show newly elected Council members for the Council races that - while grateful - are infinitely more wary of Shepard than if a Paragon Shepard saved the Council.

 

ME2:

 

1. Let Legion be introduced much earlier in the story. His dialogues are some of the most relevant to the main plot (through his discussion of Reaper consciousness and why the heretics were following Sovereign) and he's simply a good character in general.

 

2. Include a Miranda dialogue that makes it more obvious why she betrays the Illusive Man for Shepard or, alternatively, always make her pull a gun on Shepard at the Base. As it is, it makes sense why she trusts Shepard, but she's never shown as being disillusioned with either TIM or Cerberus, and so her betrayal of TIM rings hollow even if it's a "**** yeah" moment.

 

3. Zip up Samara's suit. It's a great character design marred by pandering that conflicts with the character.

 

4. Take out the Human Reaper. Instead you are just destroying the core of the ship against hordes of Collectors.

 

ME3:

 

1. Take out the turret section on Priority Earth.

 

2. Render Tali's face at the end of Rannoch and remove the picture stuff.

 

3. Remove Diana Allers and put in Emily Wong.

 

4. Give Kai Leng a gun instead of a sword.

 

5. You're always required to shoot TIM. The dialogue when you shoot him is much better than when he kills himself, which is just a retread of Saren anyway.

[Darkarus]

You can't be referring to me since I'm a guy
 

Me, a guy. indeed hates Liara
 

What new additions to the crew do you believe I hate?
 

Not want to, but I do since the game lets me and only on specific playthroughs
 

Its not hard to minimize the role of the crew. Just don't talk to them.
 

Me, a guy, would have no problem killing her in the dlc or at least letting her die
 

Why would I do that?
 

Me, a guy, does see her as a writers pet, not very well groomed, but still a pet

Sorry for calling you a girl I was confused by your photo I fixed that. My statement was based on several of your posts where you express immense dislike and hate for Liara, James, and EDI as a squadmate.

[Darkarus]

edit: Err... wrong thread.
 
 
I'll just add that rather than have Liara minimized, it would have gone better for her non-fans, if others simply had more airtime.

Even as someone who loves Liara (romance her every time without cheating) the vast majority of the cast needed more air time however thanks to Vermire and The Suicide Mission almost the entire rest of the cast could be dead thus most are given bit parts with the exception of garus and tali because they were me1 squadmates I guess. If the rest of the squadmates had been treated like mordin, legion, and wrex (not the death part) as they had decent contributions to the story arcs they were a part of.

[themikefest]

Sorry for calling you a girl I was confused by your photo I fixed that. My statement was based on several of your posts where you express immense dislike and hate for Liara, James, and EDI as a squadmate.

Can you show me a post where I stated that I hate James?

[Helios969]

This is a tricky one for me because despite that nonsensical ending I still love the ME universe...even with all the plot issues.  I guess ultimately I'd have to say yes I am satisfied.  I mean I've gotten several thousand hours of enjoyment from a couple hundred dollars worth of investment.  I would make a couple changes if I could.

 

My biggest beef with ME1:  Matriarch Benezia/Peak 15 sequence.  That was some of the worst writing of dialogue and voice acting in any Bioware game I can remember.  I didn't believe it and I didn't feel anything.  Also lay initial groundwork with Liara to make her becoming the Shadow Broker more palatable; make her less the naive scholar.

 

ME2:  More foreshadowing implemented to setup ME3 - size and scope and depth of Cerberus's evil; nature of indoctrination and perhaps implementing a path for combating it; if we really need the plot device of the Crucible have the plans uncovered during the final assault of the Collector base (that way it doesn't feel like it's coming out of nowhere).  Frankly loved ME2 story best and the pumped up feeling I got after beating the game.  Would have gotten rid of the human ProtoReaper and replaced with a Reaper-Reaper.

 

ME3:  Yeah, you know what I'm gonna say: that end.  I am more or less fine with ME3 right up to the unintelligible star child.  I can even live with the lack of war assets being reflected.  It would have been easier if I hated the entire game because it wouldn't have hurt so bad to get the ending we got.  End game with final boss fight either with Reaperized TIM or some other baddie to gain control of the Citadel arms for docking of Crucible and vaporizing Reapers.

 

Of course we can sit here and play Monday morning QB but none of us are faced with micromanaging a couple thousand employees to meet an unrealistic release date and an impatient fan base. So I can at least be a little bit forgiving and hope they do better in the future.  They still craft an amazing experience even with the flaws.

[Dr. Rush]

No, there are some excellent individual arcs, but the overall arc that spans the trilogy is unsatisfying. Reapers didn't have enough justification, and there was too much breakdown between games. They did a great job of making each game a stand-alone experience, especially ME1 and 2, but the trilogy itself seems like a bad idea. They want to try and tell an epic story but they can't afford to be too self-referential because they have to make each game a stand-alone experience. They can't afford to make a game in a trilogy that isn't stand-alone, so they have conflicting interests pulling them between the creative desire to make a trilogy and the financial desire to make as much money as possible.

[The Gman707]

I like that the crew only get a little bit of backstory. It gives plenty of opportunity for new novels and comics about them. I wish more would come out.

[CrutchCricket]

Can you show me a post where I stated that I hate James?

I don't follow your posts so I wouldn't know. But asking to kill a character just because you can't doesn't make you come across as particularly warm and fuzzy towards said character.

[themikefest]

I don't follow your posts so I wouldn't know. But asking to kill a character just because you can't doesn't make you come across as particularly warm and fuzzy towards said character.

Who says I can't kill that character? He can die if ems is below 1900. All I did was put in an option for him and Liara to die with ems over 3100 if the player chooses

[CrutchCricket]

...because you want to kill them without torching everything else.

Which is what I said all those pages back. Just come out and say that and skip all this muddying of the issue.

[Rasande]

I love all 3 games alot(they're all in my top 10 favorites) but the overarching story got messed up starting with ME2, it had a very weak plot and it just felt like an intermission making the entire series feel disconneted. Very little planning and chaning lead writer for the last game sure as hell didn't help either.

 

The writing in generall is kind of hit and miss across all three games, but ME1 has my favorite plot. It was interesting, had good pacing and Saren was a great villan. I love the fallen hero that still think they're doing the right thing cliché. Deafeating them is always bittersweet, yeah they have it comming and need to be stopped but beacuse you can still sympathise with them it makes them and the entire story  just that more interesting.

 

ME2 is pretty silly and just feeds our egos what a bad ass Shepard/we are,i just wish they'd spend as much time working on the plot as they did on 80's/90's action hero one liners.

ME3 is more mature but dear god all the retconning and don't get me started on Kai Leng.

 

I'm very satisfied with the games we got, but not much thanks to the plot. Though it has it's highlights.

[themikefest]

What torching is happening? You know that only happens if ems is below 1750, right?

 

What muddying are you talking about? My initial post was to include Liara and James die with ems over 3100 all those pages back

[CrutchCricket]

EMS 1750-2049
Destroy: Earth destroyed, Normandy destroyed, no survivors
Control: Earth devastated, squadmates survive.

You don't strike me as a Controller so yes, you want Liara and Vega dead, you gotta torch everything.

I'd say deal with it but admitting that you just want a way to kill these two without dooming everything else is good enough. EMS has nothing to do with it.

[themikefest]

If ems is between 1750-1900, both squadmates are killed, but the crew on the Normandy survive. There is still a memorial scene and the galaxy is rebuilt. So no the galaxy does not get torched

 

If ems is below 1750, Earth gets scorched and the door to the Normandy doesn't open. Yes the galaxy gets torched

[CrutchCricket]

I knew the upper threshold had been lowered with the EC I wasn't aware the others had as well.

 

Answer me this then. If you want deaths at the beam run in high EMS would you support them applying to all squadmates?

[themikefest]

I knew the upper threshold had been lowered with the EC I wasn't aware the others had as well.

 

Answer me this then. If you want deaths at the beam run in high EMS would you support them applying to all squadmates?

Yes.  

 

I've posted a few times, in other threads, that the squadmates should die on the beam run no matter the ems. 

[Seyd71]

No, I might change a few small things throughout the trilogy, but I'd change a decent portion, if not most of Mass Effect 3.