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[ExoGeniVI]

Earlier i talked about what James said with the strange 'Hum' I've got more proof that the Normandy is Indoctrinating Shepard's mind. Search up 'Prettz Zell' on youtube and watch 'Listen for the ringing sound'. He also shows other sounds that are hidden away in Mass Effect 3. I found this very interesting. Oh, and rember that EDI is part Reaper tech and just being close to Reaper tech can Indoctrinate you. And who knows what Cerberus stuffed in Dr Eva to create her?

[Han Shot First]

IT was debunked both by the Extended Cut, and by the lack of any DLC confirming the indoctrination theory.

 

Also for awhile discussion of the IT was even banned on the forums and the official IT thread got nuked. If it was the actual ending to their game, discussion of it would never have been banned.

[Swan Killer]

"...and just being close to Reaper tech can Indoctrinate you."

 

Citadel.

[KaiserShep]

"...and just being close to Reaper tech can Indoctrinate you."

 

Citadel.

 

Well, cootie-infused reaper tech.

[Vortex13]

"...and just being close to Reaper tech can Indoctrinate you."

 

Citadel.

 

 

But the Citadel does affect people. It makes them stupid.

 

Ah yes "Reapers"….

 

Shepard and Co. standing by while Kia Leng stabs Thane

 

Shepard spending Alliance war funds on a claw game machine or new fish

 

etc.

[Ithurael]

OP...if you want to believe in IT...believe in IT.

 

I will cite this statement I made - taken from MrBtounge - from the IT thread

http://forum.bioware...ing/?p=18622404

 

 

I should make an addendum to this. While IT certainly holds no bar when looking at the lore and the codex...neither does the ending literally. So, as MrBTounge stated: (and I paraphrase) "if a segment of a story is based on or contains a contrivance it holds no narrative legitimacy. You are free to make one up in its place. And your version will be just as official as the real version if not moreso"

[Ithurael]

Also...

Earlier i talked about what James said with the strange 'Hum' I've got more proof that the Normandy is Indoctrinating Shepard's mind.

ORLY

[Quarian Master Race]

[MrFob]

But the Citadel does affect people. It makes them stupid.

 

Ah yes "Reapers"….

 

Shepard and Co. standing by while Kia Leng stabs Thane

 

Shepard spending Alliance war funds on a claw game machine or new fish

 

etc.

 

Honestly, this is my headcannon about the Citadel, no joke. Not because of the examples you point out but rather on a more long term issue I have with it:

Why else would no one investigate the keepers? Why else would no one have taken this station apart in over 2000 years of occupation?

You don't live on a completely alien construct for that long without trying to understand all its functionality, right down to the last bulkhead. In my persona version of the ME universe, the Citadel is mildly indoctrinating all its inhabitants.

[DirtySHISN0]

Earlier i talked about what James said with the strange 'Hum' I've got more proof that the Normandy is Indoctrinating Shepard's mind. Search up 'Prettz Zell' on youtube and watch 'Listen for the ringing sound'. He also shows other sounds that are hidden away in Mass Effect 3. I found this very interesting. Oh, and rember that EDI is part Reaper tech and just being close to Reaper tech can Indoctrinate you. And who knows what Cerberus stuffed in Dr Eva to create her?

 

EDI has tech designed from the left overs of sovereign, not actual reaper tech.

[Asharad Hett]

Honestly, this is my headcannon about the Citadel, no joke. Not because of the examples you point out but rather on a more long term issue I have with it:

Why else would no one investigate the keepers? Why else would no one have taken this station apart in over 2000 years of occupation?

You don't live on a completely alien construct for that long without trying to understand all its functionality, right down to the last bulkhead. In my persona version of the ME universe, the Citadel is mildly indoctrinating all its inhabitants.

 

It's worse than 2000 years of occupation.  Countless cycles and nobody investigated the citadel to learn its secrets.

[Han Shot First]

Honestly, this is my headcannon about the Citadel, no joke. Not because of the examples you point out but rather on a more long term issue I have with it:

Why else would no one investigate the keepers? Why else would no one have taken this station apart in over 2000 years of occupation?

You don't live on a completely alien construct for that long without trying to understand all its functionality, right down to the last bulkhead. In my persona version of the ME universe, the Citadel is mildly indoctrinating all its inhabitants.

 

That makes sense in some respects. Doesn't Ashley also have a comment about something being 'off' about the Citadel? Or was that Kaidan?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Reaper tech makes Shepard spend money buying arms and armor from Cerberus - and organization whom Shepard is fighting.

 

The Citadel makes people stupid. There is a "stupid signal" that permeates the place. It originates from The Catalyst.

 

 

And this movie also co-stars Keith David. Coincidence? I don't think so.

[MrFob]

That makes sense in some respects. Doesn't Ashley also have a comment about something being 'off' about the Citadel? Or was that Kaidan?

 

The only instance that I can remember is Kaidan, when you walk by the "mass relay statue" in ME1. His comment is something like "You hear that hum? Makes my teeth tingle." But I am fairly sure that was just supposed to be foreshadowing the conduit. But there there are so many lines, it's very possible that they do say something about the Citadel itself at some point.

 

Note though, I don't think the idea of the Citadel indoctrinating people was intended by the writers, it's just a little headcannon tidbit I use for my own piece of mind in regard to that aspect of the lore.

 

@Julia: Your theory of the catalyst being so incredibly stupid that it basically radiates stupidity to everyone who comes close also has some merit, I think.

It certainly explains Shepard's behavior when s/he stand right next to it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

They say that the galaxy is being overrun by reapers, yet on the Citadel life continues as if nothing is happening. Head canon? I think not.

[God]

Honestly, this is my headcannon about the Citadel, no joke. Not because of the examples you point out but rather on a more long term issue I have with it:

Why else would no one investigate the keepers? Why else would no one have taken this station apart in over 2000 years of occupation?

You don't live on a completely alien construct for that long without trying to understand all its functionality, right down to the last bulkhead. In my persona version of the ME universe, the Citadel is mildly indoctrinating all its inhabitants.

 

My view is that, sans scientific and engineering interests, people don't care because they already live there and have established a large enough presence to make the idea impractical on a large scale.

 

On another note, it's mentioned that many parts of the Citadel are completely inaccessible. Sans outright breaking the station, I don't see how it's going to be possible to really get into the meat of the components.

 

If it works, don't eff with it. That's logic right there. Especially for alien technology. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I understand why some people do it.

[themikefest]

Its surprising that the species that discovers the Citadel doesn't do a thorough inspection of the station before moving in

[God]

It's not exactly easy to do a thorough investigation of an alien construct that is OOM larger than anything your species can build.

[themikefest]

I'm sure if they make an effort, they can. Until its fully inspected I would not move in

[God]

The question is what exactly does 'fully inspected' mean in this case? You're dealing with something you have no information about. You could study it for decades and still never understand its true purpose or power source. And you might not even know it. You have no idea who built it or how they built it. You have little actual information than what you yourself can find out from your own observations, which might not take into account means of accessing systems or engineering that you have no ability to understand or use.

 

I very highly doubt that anybody was capable of fully understanding what was going on with the Citadel. There are several reasons for this. As I said, look at its size. It would take years just to fully examine one arm of the station. It's unrealistic to imagine that everything is going to be understood about it.

 

Fully inspected means jack **** here. By your standards, it checks out. But the people who built it aren't using your standards. They aren't playing by your game. You don't even know what their game is. All you know is the result. A big, floating circle with arms that happens to have life support systems and capability for holding a large population.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The thing is, God, they had 2000 years. The Asari landed on it 2000 years earlier, followed by the Salarians 500 years later. The Salarians, those scientific wizards who are so curious about everything that they became stupid and docile while on the Citadel. Odd isn't it? It's called plot stupidity.

[God]

Given the Asari's track record (the beacon), I don't count their expertise in this matter for much.

 

The thing is, maybe they did study every nook and cranny and found everything they wanted to find according to what they were searching for. Maybe the Citadel's true purpose never occurred to them. It didn't occur to the Protheans until decades after the Reapers left. The last researchers took years to find out the connection between the Reapers, the Citadel, and the Keepers, and they were the same researchers reverse engineering and prototyping their own mass relay.

 

It's not odd at all that they weren't able to figure out the Citadel at all without outright destroying it. And why would any sane person think to do that without provocation?

 

I think it's not plot stupidity, I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding and practical inability to understand the Citadel at all.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But the Salarians....

[themikefest]

 I still would not move into the Citadel until it has a thorugh  inspection. When seeing those bugs, I would want to know where they come from. What is thier purpose? Who was the previous owner? What happened to the previous owner? Why is the station vacant except for the bugs?