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[Cervin]

I'm done now wont be buying any dlc for this game BioWare and Microsoft sick together. Ea have been up Microsoft are the hole gen

sure you won´t...

[Darkstarr11]

So, while I was initially rather pi**ed at this timed DLC. (Obviously a PS4 owner here)

But after I had a coffee and a sit down, it got me thinking...

 

Anyone else notice that this DLC has pretty much zero promotion? We had a total of one days notice before it dropped.

Isn't that a little odd for a very popular games first story based add on?

Usually (even if it is timed) we get a least a month's notice and a hell of a fanfare to get people stoked to buy it.

 

Now if it's true that EA made a deal with Microsoft that X-Box would get dibs on the first story DLC with timed release for PS4, Doesn't it seem more likely that Bioware is sneaking this DLC out to fulfil  the contract with Microsoft ASAP and get back to releasing DLC for all again.

 

To me it seems more like they are getting this bulls*it out the way as soon as possible, than snubbing part of their fanbase.

 

Either way, I'm really happy for PC users getting first dibs for a change lol  

 

Okay, I see that.  It IS odd.  No warning?  My thoughts (which could be wrong) is that this is what you mentioned about fulfilling their contract, OR it could be sneaking out an exclusive to try and avoid a serious backlash.  An okay DLC that is only for MS would be better to slip out under the radar, well as much as it can be, rather than trumpet it and face the heat.  

How about you guys stop turning this forum in to a fanboy fest like n4g? I believe it is toxic enough, we don't need more console war here to make it worst.

This is how gaming business become this day, stop acting like it's all MS idea, Sony got fair share of these kind of deals too.

And perhaps you guys should realize that Bioware and EA are not a charity organization. They are company that went after money like the rest.

 

Not a charity, correct.  However, like all businesses, they rely on the goodwill of their customers.  No matter how much cash MS throws at them, their brand can be seriously, and irreparably damaged by treating their customers poorly.  We haven't forgotten the RGB debacle, have we?  Even for those that liked the endings, we have to admit that Bioware and EA took a serious hit from that.  DAI was part of winning back the fanbase.  Do they want to trash that by cutting out a HUGE chunk of their base by ignoring them?  That would be folly in its purest sense.  ESPECIALLY when DAI is still in its first DLC phase.    Business thrives on support as well as cash.  Long term support.

 

 Better for you to complain to Sony because PS4 has timed exclusives as well, which means they spent their money elsewhere to get those exclusive.

 

Both Microsoft and Sony are paying for timed exclusives and exclusives, so your real problem would be with their choice of exclusives and thus it is only logical to complain to the party that you gave your money to and ask them to spend the money you gave them to get the exclusives (timed or not) you want.

 

True.  Think Ubisoft.  How many exclusives have they given to Sony?  I used to love that.  Then I had a few friends over.  Box owners, right?  They thought some of it was really cool.  However, I realized, they get cut out JUST because of their system.  Sure, they have Halo.  I get Uncharted.  Those are exclusives to each platform.  DAI?  ACU?  Multi.  With multiplatform, perhaps this trend needs to end.  Sure, a short quick infusion of cash, but long term?  Good will and customer loyalty are a bit more important.  Word of mouth can KILL a franchise or a company.  It has happened, and it will happen again.  Guess we'll see...won't we?

 

BTW, I disagree that they 'hate' PS4 gamers.  I think they saw a business opportunity that looked like a good deal.  That their profits would offset the negativity that would follow as a result.  Probably made LONG before sales figures came in as to which console was 'winning' the race.  Though, it doesn't matter who is 'winning'...it matters who crosses the finish line first.  And as a gamer...I don't want a 'winner'.  I want to play good games, meet interesting gamers, and swap trips, tricks, and cool stories on everything from Dragon Age to Donkey Kong.  Sometimes, it's easy to forget the little picture for companies...and the big picture for the rest of us.

Modifié par Darkstarr11, 25 mars 2015 - 03:04 .

[ashwind]

so its all sonys fault? That's amazing logic you have there mate. You wouldn't happen to be a xbox fan? Lol what about your fellow 360 owners microsoft forgot about them?
Timed exclusives on both sides is bad both sony and Microsoft do it.
But at the end of the day ea choose to take the money. Plenty of games have come out with no timed exclusive content for one platform over the other. Gta5 is a great example both side get the same stuff. Anyway its a lost sale form me when it does come to ps4 I would of moved on by then. Not Long to the witcher 3 which thank god hasn't got any exclusive dlc for Sony or Microsoft. Cd red have respect for their consumers

 

In this case and in the case of the next Tomb Raider, yeah tis Sony's fault for not getting it for their customers on the PS4. If you are a PS owner and like these titles, go bite Sony. (btw I blame Microsoft for Tomb Raider XB1 timed exclusive because they excluded PC running Windows  )

 

In the case of Destiny exclusive content and Bloodborne, yeah tis Microsoft's fault for not getting them for their customers on the XB1. If you are a XB owner and like these titles, go bite Microsoft.

 

If I am a fan of any console, it would most likely be Nintendo but I cannot claim to be one since I am still waiting for Zelda U before buying the Wii U   so I dont qualify as a fan. Now, in the case of Nintendo not getting 3rd party support who do I blame? Nintendo and their stupid business policies of course. Would I run about silly blaming Bioware not making Dragon Age for Wii U, etc etc? Because err... they find that it is probably not in their best interest to do so? Cos not, that is silly.

 

Yeah, there are many games that are not exclusive in any form to any platform thank god and that is only because Sony and Microsoft arent rich enough to pay them all off  . They choose which developers to pay and hence their choices are affecting you so the more reason to BITE them. As a matter of fact, it is them trying to out do each other throwing money at publishers that is causing all these issues. 

[Grieving Natashina]

sure you won´t...

I'll be awaiting his (going by the user name) review of the DLC.

[TheDragonOfWhy]

I'm sure it's been said before, but I take a nice zen approach to this DLC delay for Playstation players.
Everyone who has the DLC now, is bata testing it. Meaning it should be nice and bug free by the time I'm able to get my hands on it,

Because frankly this being DA:I it needs all the de-bugging it can get.

Ps. I'll stop bing snarky when they give me my item duplation back.

[davepissedatending]

In this case and in the case of the next Tomb Raider, yeah tis Sony's fault for not getting it for their customers on the PS4. If you are a PS owner and like these titles, go bite Sony. (btw I blame Microsoft for Tomb Raider XB1 timed exclusive because they excluded PC running Windows )

In the case of Destiny exclusive content and Bloodborne, yeah tis Microsoft's fault for not getting them for their customers on the XB1. If you are a XB owner and like these titles, go bite Microsoft.

If I am a fan of any console, it would most likely be Nintendo but I cannot claim to be one since I am still waiting for Zelda U before buying the Wii U so I dont qualify as a fan. Now, in the case of Nintendo not getting 3rd party support who do I blame? Nintendo and their stupid business policies of course. Would I run about silly blaming Bioware not making Dragon Age for Wii U, etc etc? Because err... they find that it is probably not in their best interest to do so? Cos not, that is silly.

Yeah, there are many games that are not exclusive in any form to any platform thank god and that is only because Sony and Microsoft arent rich enough to pay them all off . They choose which developers to pay and hence their choices are affecting you so the more reason to BITE them. As a matter of fact, it is them trying to out do each other throwing money at publishers that is causing all these issues.

if you think Microsoft didn't throw money at cd red for exclusive content your stupid. I don't blame Sony for Microsoft doing a deal with ea ? Thats just stupid:(

[Giantdeathrobot]

So, while I was initially rather pi**ed at this timed DLC. (Obviously a PS4 owner here)

But after I had a coffee and a sit down, it got me thinking...

 

Anyone else notice that this DLC has pretty much zero promotion? We had a total of one days notice before it dropped.

Isn't that a little odd for a very popular games first story based add on?

Usually (even if it is timed) we get a least a month's notice and a hell of a fanfare to get people stoked to buy it.

 

Now if it's true that EA made a deal with Microsoft that X-Box would get dibs on the first story DLC with timed release for PS4, Doesn't it seem more likely that Bioware is sneaking this DLC out to fulfil  the contract with Microsoft ASAP and get back to releasing DLC for all again.

 

To me it seems more like they are getting this bulls*it out the way as soon as possible, than snubbing part of their fanbase.

 

Either way, I'm really happy for PC users getting first dibs for a change lol  

 

I hope it's what is happening. They put together a relatively filler story, set it in some cut content zone, added the weapons and special dragon fight, bam, single-player DLC that gets microsoft off their back so they can concentrate on the more meaty stuff without the rage that comes from, say, spoiling Solas's story for non-PC and XBONE players. 

 

The first Bioware DLCs are rarely the best for the game anyway (with the exception of Legacy). But I sure hope the second one has more story content.

 

The mini platform war going on is pretty silly however. Both Sony and Microsoft happily use exclusives, timed or otherwise. The only people this hurts are the consumers.

[ashwind]

if you think Microsoft didn't throw money at cd red for exclusive content your stupid. I don't blame Sony for Microsoft doing a deal with ea ? Thats just stupid:(

 

 And I blame all you console players for buying XB1 and PS4. If everyone plays on PC, there wont be "exclusive" anything. Just get a Logitech F710 Gamepad and plug the HDMI cable into your 40-50 inch TV and you get the same experience. Minus paying XBLive and PSN Plus for multiplayer games of course.   

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Anyone else notice that this DLC has pretty much zero promotion? We had a total of one days notice before it dropped.

 

This factor actually added tremendously to how upset I was about the whole thing. A friend texted me that there was a new DLC! What an amazing surprise! I logged into the Playstation Network, credit card (quite literally) in hand, ready to vote with my dollars!

 

There was no DLC. Only searching the web for what the heck was wrong did I find out that I - unlike my friend - wouldn't be able to get it for some unspecified amount of time. Maybe a month, maybe a year, who knows? Because I am not a preferred customer, which I had somehow been blissfully unaware of.

 

If they'd let us know in advance what was going on, I wouldn't have gotten my hopes up. I still would have been disappointed, but I don't think I would have felt quite as slighted. That was not a particularly customer-friendly way to find out. I guess it's good it wasn't overhyped, but a little more communication to prevent me from trying to make the purchase and failing would have been preferable.

 

That combined with being told basically "No release date, we'll get around to you when we get around to you" made me feel pretty close to being done, not gonna lie.

 

After some time to cool off, I'm not done. I'm not a particularly happy customer at the moment, but I'll still play the DLC... just not with quite the enthusiasm I would have had, and my view of Bioware is a bit tarnished at this point.

[DarthSliver]

ok so like hearing that the first story dlc was the only timed exclusive because it sounds like Bioware pulled a wool over Microsoft by releasing this one as the exclusive

[SquooshySyn]

 

 

If they'd let us know in advance what was going on, I wouldn't have gotten my hopes up. I still would have been disappointed, but I don't think I would have felt quite as slighted. That was not a particularly customer-friendly way to find out. I guess it's good it wasn't overhyped, but a little more communication to prevent me from trying to make the purchase and failing would have been preferable.

 

 

http://kotaku.com/ti...dium=Socialflow

 

If what Kotaku is saying is true, it seems likeEA/ Bioware under clause, isn't even aloud to mention PS4 in regards to this DLC until an undisclosed amount of time.

And I totally agree with you, no one likes to feel like they are being shut out and denied something they want, especially when they've spent quite a substantial amount of time and money getting a new console and playing its games.

 

I think that's exactly what Microsoft is trying to achieve with this crap, Pi*s 1 third of a developers audience off, so they either rage quit on the series or forget about the new DLC.

 

As previous people have mentioned, the only way to tackle sh*tty practices like this is to vote with you wallet.  

[Maker Be Damned]

I don't care if their games are on sale for 1$ EA/Bioware has seen the last of my money that it will ever see.

[SquooshySyn]

I hope it's what is happening. They put together a relatively filler story, set it in some cut content zone, added the weapons and special dragon fight, bam, single-player DLC that gets microsoft off their back so they can concentrate on the more meaty stuff without the rage that comes from, say, spoiling Solas's story for non-PC and XBONE players. 

 

 

 

After hearing the lackluster feedback on Jaws of Hakkon its only reaffirmed my thoughts on this. ( I mean they've had nearly 4 months to work on... this?) 

 

They've squeaked this filler DLC out so they can focus on important story DLC for every platform later.

 

Or thats my hope anyways lol.

[SolNebula]

Going to "love" how companies nowadays pay money not to fund new gaming projects and technologies but just to prevent other players from a competitor console from getting the game before they do. Sounds so childish and stupid. Certainly i'm not buying an Xbox AND a new copy of Dragon Age for a timed exclusive. I'm actually surprised BW accepted this deal. I do understand they got money for it but if we start with this bs I'm quite scared that one day we will arrive to permanent exclusives and we will eventually have to buy two consoles and games to get the full experience.

 

CDPR shows that you can ethically do profits and have a sterling reputation. 15 free DLC for when TW3 is going to be released. C'mon BW I'm not asking that...but at least do not abide these kind of shady practices. Dividing your fanbase seems not like a smart choice.

[nikitalauncher]

It's not just PS4 owners being denied the DLC. Xbox 360 and PS3 users aren't getting it either.

Truth. As a lowly PS3 owner, I live in a world of "eventually maybe." I'm still pretty jazzed I got to play the game.

[Darkstarr11]

http://kotaku.com/ti...dium=Socialflow

 

If what Kotaku is saying is true, it seems likeEA/ Bioware under clause, isn't even aloud to mention PS4 in regards to this DLC until an undisclosed amount of time.

And I totally agree with you, no one likes to feel like they are being shut out and denied something they want, especially when they've spent quite a substantial amount of time and money getting a new console and playing its games.

 

I think that's exactly what Microsoft is trying to achieve with this crap, Pi*s 1 third of a developers audience off, so they either rage quit on the series or forget about the new DLC.

 

As previous people have mentioned, the only way to tackle sh*tty practices like this is to vote with you wallet.  

 I had not seen the Kotaku article.  Wow, nail on the head there.  I mean, I SHOULD be surprised, shouldn't I?  It feels like that scene from Happy Gilmore where Shooter pays the guy to throw Happy off his game.  This is just spiteful.  Still, who is worse for it?  He who leads, or he who follows?  I kinda feel scummy for giving ANY of these companies my money now.  In a way, I'm actually HELPING kick other gamers in the teeth by supporting companies who practice this.  That's something to chew on, isn't it?

[turuzzusapatuttu]

So wait. We, as consumers, SHOULDN'T be upset about timed exclusivity? Or exclusivity in general? Regardless of which platform gets which exclusives? We should shut the **** up and take it?

 

Frankly, as someone who plays on 360, I think I have every right to be irritated. Given that Microsoft negotiated exclusivity for this DLC, and then ignored the 360 completely. And the part that REALLY gets me is that there's no release date for when I will finally be able to pay my $15 to get it. What this tells me is that EA doesn't give a **** about my money, and thus I should just stop giving it to them.

 

Dude, don't put your words in my mouth. I've never said you can't complain, I said there's no reason to whine about this kind of policy since it has worked in this way for several years already.

[ahandsomeshark]

I don't mind exclusivity deals just because I think they're so stupid that major IPs that sign up for them are shooting themselves in the foot anyway, but I am really annoyed that there's not even talk or confirmation from bioware about whether the new DLC is gonna be released on the last gen platforms.

Like that would have been nice to know BEFORE I bought the expensive as hell deluxe edition for PS3 which I'm guessing I can't just re download for free should I switch to a ps4. Cause right now it seems like I'm either not gonna have access to any DLC (or by the time it comes out for the last ten games I'll have upgraded to a Ps4 anyway), or I'm gonna have to shell out another 70 bucks, on top of whatever PS4's are selling for now, replay ALL my saves, and then twiddle my thumbs waiting for the Ps4 release assuming there will be one.

[ahandsomeshark]

Like damnit bioware I just want to give you my money. This is America! If I want to waste significant sums of money on pixel characters I should be allowed to without barriers.

Also this is why I'll never understand exclusivity, like you're literally telling half your fan base, no we don't want your money. And I know Microsoft obviously paid a decent sum for it but I still very much doubt that sum is greater than the ultimate total sum of sales for the DLC on Playstation products. Also I can't fathom that time based exclusivity actually influences anyone to go out and buy an Xbox one AND pay another 60 bucks for the game just so they can spend another 20 (I have no idea how much this DLC costs) on DLC? Like I'm concerned about the mental health of gamers if there's a non negligible number who do that.

[ahandsomeshark]

Also if money is the ultimate issue then I'm kind of annoyed bioware hasn't released a ton of those nonsense weapons packs or accessories packs which cost them like 1 hour of time to make and they charge 2-3 bucks for. I always buy those, and the in game accessories are kind of lackluster, and they seem to have a huge profit margin. Like damnit bioware do you want my money or not all I'm asking for is the most basic of content.

[theluc76]

BioWare dont hate PS4 gamers, they just dont care of their fan base, end of the line.

[Alchir]

Take a look at games workshop. Since the company has been in the hands of capitalists (in the purest form of the word, those who posses the capital, in this case GW, but do not form part of the money making oven that is the internal aspect of the company), they have been losing fans at an alarming rate and the cash grabs are getting ever more ridiculous. 
Capitalists don't understand that art needs to be done for the sake of art, not to earn them another top hat. Look at tons of good franchises and concepts gone to **** over time because the financial aspect that is related to these things gets preference, and not the product itself. But who can blame them? this is normal practice nowadays, we treat wallstreet and any stock market like a temple, and that awful religion has permeated the gaming industry. 
Sadly this is what we have been seeing in the last decade or so with games. Not that this MS settlement is of any real damage, but these things tend to add up and function as transition mechanisms for worse practices.
 

[Lestatman]

Can anyone show my a link which shows factual statistical proof that these kind of exclusive deals actually make players change console because from what I've read not just in this forum but round the web it seems to do the opposite Xbox players won't switch if Sony have an Exclusive and vice versa PS4 players won't suddenly sell their console and buy a Xbox or am I wrong?

[happy_daiz]

Can anyone show my a link which shows factual statistical proof that these kind of exclusive deals actually make players change console because from what I've read not just in this forum but round the web it seems to do the opposite Xbox players won't switch if Sony have an Exclusive and vice versa PS4 players won't suddenly sell their console and buy a Xbox or am I wrong?

 

I have no idea if you're wrong or right. With the previous gen (360/PS3), I solved the problem by having one of each. Et voila!

 

With this gen, I have a PS4. There hasn't been anything to tempt me back over to MS with the X1, so any exclusives they get? *shrugs* No biggie. I made the choice, I'm happy with it, and I live with it.

 

If Fallout 4 or TES 6 were announced on MS only, I'd buy an X1, but until then, I'm good.

[TK514]

This topic is hilarious.  No one gave a crap about this issue on Sunday, despite it having been public knowledge for a year that this would be a timed exclusive.  Monday rolls around, and it is suddenly the end times.