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[NaclynE]

Not BioWare's fault actually, it's Sony who get's most of the blame.

 

Electronic Art's signed an exclusivity deal with Microsoft as part of EA Access, and promised DLC early because of the service. Sony passed on EA Access, more or less because they wanted to focus on Playstation Now.

 

It is business over hate in the end, service models have become lucrative and popular, look at Netflix, HULU, GOG, Steam, Origin and the like EA Access and Playstation Now are two more of them with vastly different models. 

 

The real problem is the practice itself can be seen as damning because of these deals. I think Microsoft and Sony need to stop offering them in the end, but chances are the extra money for the timed exclusivity publishers get is too good to pass on. 

 

*sigh*.....It's SKYRIM all over again......DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR ALL OF DAI'S DLC TO BE OUT BEFORE I CAN PLAY IT ON MY XBOX 360 OR PS3?

[Chuvvy]

Microsoft has a lot of money, EA loves money. Generally speaking, MS relies on this tactic as well as paying a lot of money for devs to primarily market on their hardware, or at least make it look like it's their hardware (EG The Witcher 3) despite titles being multiplat. It's a somewhat shady business practice, but it's born of them not really having anything to offer on their platform. The only reason PC is getting it too is because MS has been trying to appeal to the PC crowd after years of not giving a ****, now that they see the PC audience is growing by 50% every year and is set to over take consoles by 2018/2019. I don't feel like digging up the source on that last claim, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

 

Also shattered that ME1 doesn't pop up on the badge. Is that because it's not EA published? All those hours.

[ashwind]

Microsoft has a lot of money, EA loves money. Generally speaking, MS relies on this tactic as well as paying a lot of money for devs to primarily market on their hardware, or at least make it look like it's their hardware (EG The Witcher 3) despite titles being multiplat. It's a somewhat shady business practice, but it's born of them not really having anything to offer on their platform. The only reason PC is getting it too is because MS has been trying to appeal to the PC crowd after years of not giving a ****, now that they see the PC audience is growing by 50% every year and is set to over take consoles by 2018/2019. I don't feel like digging up the source on that last claim, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

 

Also shattered that ME1 doesn't pop up on the badge. Is that because it's not EA published? All those hours.

 

Microsoft still doesnt give much XXXX about PC audience because Rise of The Tomb Raider is again another freaking XBox timed exclusive. Darn you Microsoft, you use to have real exclusive that sells console - Halo. Instead of annoying players with "timed exclusives" they shoud spend money making the next new epic Halo. That may actually sell more XBoxOne.

 

Microsoft is desperate for any sort of exclusives, there is a chance XBox one will sell less than Wii U by the end of 2015. Console hardware wise, PS4 has the advantage. Exclusives wise, Nintendo easily annihilates them. People do not have much reason to buy an XBox 

 

Timed exclusive.... still no reason to buy da XBox. 

[o Ventus]

I don't feel like digging up the source on that last claim, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

 

That's how you know its reliable, is when someone asks you to take their word.

[Avejajed]

I thought this thread would be comedy hold when I read the title and I was right.

[Eire Icon]

Blame Microsoft. They offered EA enough money to make it worth their while to release the DLC later on PS4.

Correction, they offered EA enough money to make it worth their while "As they perceived at that time" to release the DLC later on PS4...........and then screwed their XB360 customers

[Eire Icon]

Microsoft still doesnt give much XXXX about PC audience because Rise of The Tomb Raider is again another freaking XBox timed exclusive.

Rise of the tomb raider is also coming out on 360..................this dlc has no explanation for 360 users

[Eire Icon]

This isn't about PS4 v Xbox one, its not about timed exclusives, they exist, they're a business model.

 

For me its abiut 2 things:

 

1. As a paid customer of the PS4 Inquisitor edition, Bioware refuse to tell me (Due to contractual agreements freely entered into by EA/Bioware) when I can play the next installment of the story mode game. That is not an accepatable way to treat a paying customer without prior warning they would conduct themselves in this way

 

2. As an Xbox360 owner and subscriber to xbox live the same as the above is true. Why as a customer of Microsft, are PC gamers getting content that I am not with no explanation even though I pay money for Xbox live and they do not ?

 

I will not buy this dlc as I do not support these practices

[Chiramu]

It will be coming. EA and Microsoft signed a deal, and part of that deal was timed exclusivity for the first story dlc.

 

That is so bullshit btw.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

I don't mind exclusivity deals just because I think they're so stupid that major IPs that sign up for them are shooting themselves in the foot anyway, but I am really annoyed that there's not even talk or confirmation from bioware about whether the new DLC is gonna be released on the last gen platforms.

Like that would have been nice to know BEFORE I bought the expensive as hell deluxe edition for PS3 which I'm guessing I can't just re download for free should I switch to a ps4. Cause right now it seems like I'm either not gonna have access to any DLC (or by the time it comes out for the last ten games I'll have upgraded to a Ps4 anyway), or I'm gonna have to shell out another 70 bucks, on top of whatever PS4's are selling for now, replay ALL my saves, and then twiddle my thumbs waiting for the Ps4 release assuming there will be one.

 

Wait... the thing I read said it was coming for both PS4 and PS3 at some point. I have a PS3, which I figured would be the same deal as PS4.

 

If the DLC is not released for last gen consoles, I am going to be beyond angry. Yeah, my PS3 isn't new, but there was no indication when I threw money at the deluxe game edition that there would be less future content available if I chose that version. It was advertised as the same product. If it is in fact not the same product because it can't be upgraded... this is not a company I want to do further business with.

 

They should have decided whether or not they were going to support last gen consoles before they took my money. If they didn't want to release the game on PS3, fine, plenty of games aren't - but they did release it, and we paid for it. 

 

For now I'm going to trust that they're doing the right thing and I won't jump to conclusions, although my confidence is low. I really wish Bioware would just clear this up somehow. I know exclusivity etc., but I'm pretty fed up.

[Melca36]

If BioWare hates PS4 gamers than HBO hates PC users because I have wait 90 days to stream Game of Thrones because I don't use apple products for their new streaming service.

 

Its an exclusive. Many companies have them.

[ashwind]

This isn't about PS4 v Xbox one, its not about timed exclusives, they exist, they're a business model.

 

For me its abiut 2 things:

 

1. As a paid customer of the PS4 Inquisitor edition, Bioware refuse to tell me (Due to contractual agreements freely entered into by EA/Bioware) when I can play the next installment of the story mode game. That is not an accepatable way to treat a paying customer without prior warning they would conduct themselves in this way

 

2. As an Xbox360 owner and subscriber to xbox live the same as the above is true. Why as a customer of Microsft, are PC gamers getting content that I am not with no explanation even though I pay money for Xbox live and they do not ?

 

I will not buy this dlc as I do not support these practices

 

The real question is: As a PS4 owner, will you buy timed exclusive PS4 titles/dlc?

 

If you will, then your actions are irrelevant, you are simply hypocritically ranting and whining because this time you are on the wrong side. Reason being the offer Microsoft/Sony made to Publisher would have account for lost of sales on the other console due to timed exclusive. They already expected that as a PS4 owner, you probably wont buy it and Microsoft already paid on your behalf in this case.

 

Unless XB owners dont buy XB timed exclusive and PS owners dont buy PS timed exclusives, timed exclusives is here to stay. 

[Darkstarr11]

Just glancing at the numbers that I could find, Dragon Age Inquisition sold about 1.4 million.  XboxOne was less than 200,000 of that.  PC was around 170,000.  Now, as a rough guess, let's say that only 300,000 people purchase the DLC from the other systems available.  That is still (before costs) several million dollars.  That is a whole lotta cash to throw at EA/Bioware JUST to deny customers a chance to purchase the DLC and punish them for NOT purchasing an XBoxOne.  I'm probably factoring a low figure.  Now, counting on used game sales (which WILL happen), we could see less than that coming.  All in all, I'd think that Bioware would have to not only have every single X1 user purchase the DLC, but MS would have to pay probably upwards of 8 million dollars to compensate for the lost cash and goodwill that this will cost them.  Bioware I mean.  MS couldn't care less about bad press.  

 

That's just THIS DLC.  MS certainly isn't going to offset the losses on the following DLC (assuming there will be any) unless they have exclusive agreements for those as well.  Customers will walk away.  Honestly, I can't actually see a long term benny to this strategy.  It's all short term gain, long term loss.  Factoring in DA2, ME's ending, The Old Republic, and the DLC...most will have to admit that their favoritism may do some damage to their reputation.  People WILL remember this when it comes time for the next Mass Effect.  

 

What I'm hoping is not for this to cripple the company (I mean seriously, this isn't THAT bad...not even) but that it WILL make them reconsider exclusive agreements.  Not even being able to confirm that it will be released?  Sure, the website has the PS4 logo, but when they can't even say 'Playstation'?  When they specifically avoid the terms?  I mean, they've been banned from actually saying NAMES.  You watch...the DLC will drop, and no one will know because they've been prohibited from even saying the release date.  Wait and see.  That would be a twisted kinda funny, wouldn't it?

[Darkstarr11]

The real question is: As a PS4 owner, will you buy timed exclusive PS4 titles/dlc?

 

If you will, then your actions are irrelevant, you are simply hypocritically ranting and whining because this time you are on the wrong side. Reason being the offer Microsoft/Sony made to Publisher would have account for lost of sales on the other console due to timed exclusive. They already expected that as a PS4 owner, you probably wont buy it and Microsoft already paid on your behalf in this case.

 

Unless XB owners dont buy XB timed exclusive and PS owners dont buy PS timed exclusives, timed exclusives is here to stay. 

 

That is a great question.  You know, I think I'm done with that myself.  I mentioned it before...I'm actually helping punish other gamers by doing so.  If I want to be fair and equal about it, then I need to stop.  Helping companies that punish fellow gamers for purchasing the 'wrong' system is something I am against.  I'm glad you put that up there.  If I do decide to buy the title, I'll pick the one that gets what everyone else is getting.  Sure I'll miss out on stuff, but it'll be fair to others.  

[DarthSliver]

That is a great question.  You know, I think I'm done with that myself.  I mentioned it before...I'm actually helping punish other gamers by doing so.  If I want to be fair and equal about it, then I need to stop.  Helping companies that punish fellow gamers for purchasing the 'wrong' system is something I am against.  I'm glad you put that up there.  If I do decide to buy the title, I'll pick the one that gets what everyone else is getting.  Sure I'll miss out on stuff, but it'll be fair to others.  

 But wouldn't that make exclusive titles going under that mark of "punishing other gamers"

[Darkstarr11]

 But wouldn't that make exclusive titles going under that mark of "punishing other gamers"

 

Indeed it would.  

[SquooshySyn]

Just glancing at the numbers that I could find, Dragon Age Inquisition sold about 1.4 million.  XboxOne was less than 200,000 of that.  PC was around 170,000.  Now, as a rough guess, let's say that only 300,000 people purchase the DLC from the other systems available.  That is still (before costs) several million dollars.  That is a whole lotta cash to throw at EA/Bioware JUST to deny customers a chance to purchase the DLC and punish them for NOT purchasing an XBoxOne. 

 

I think this is all down to EA backing the wrong horse.

 

If you think back to E3 (sorry if i've got that wrong, there's so many gaming press events these days I mix them up all the time lol) a few years back when they announced the next gen consoles, XBoxOne hit the ground running.

Everyone was super impresses and was fairly confident that the new Xbox was going to be the number 1 for the next generation of console players.   

I'm willing to bet this is when EA made the deal with Microsoft, I mean what could go wrong?

 

And then MS kept digging a massive hole for themselves in the following years press events. DRM, marketing it as an entertainment center, not allowing customers to share games with friends etc, etc. 

 

Now fast forward to today, Bioware is left to clean up the fallout. EA doesn't give a sh*t, they got paid and they don't have to deal with the brunt of pi*sed off customer base.

What really worries me is that its shady crap like this that can tank a developing company overnight, I mean hell. look at what happened to Maxis Emeryville at the start of this month.

 

For the record, I'm not solely having a go at MS, I think Sony would have done the exact same thing in a heartbeat if the above was reversed. They're equally as bad as eachother in that regard.

Its just frustrating as hell to see that they don't have the forethought to realise that ridiculous deals like timed DLC etc, is what's slowly killing the console industry.

And why Valve is doing so damn well.   

 

Woo... Ok, rant over lmao. 

[Farangbaa]

Also shattered that ME1 doesn't pop up on the badge. Is that because it's not EA published? All those hours.

If you're on PC and own a copy of the game, you can get it there.

Just add the serial key into Origin. Top left 'Origin' button, then 'add game...' 'use product code' (or something, my Origin isn't in English) then enter the serial key.

If you want the button to immediatly show up on BSN, log out and log in again.

Correction, they offered EA enough money to make it worth their while "As they perceived at that time" to release the DLC later on PS4...........and then screwed their XB360 customers

Yeah, cause who would've thought Microsoft would want you to play on their new console? Ludicrous, right?

[Eire Icon]

I actually can't believe what I'm reading in some of these posts

 

So Microsoft screw over Xbox 360 owners and some Xbox fanboys are blaming Sony..............

[Farangbaa]

I actually can't believe what I'm reading in some of these posts
 
So Microsoft screw over Xbox 360 owners and some Xbox fanboys are blaming Sony..............

I hope that wasn't in response to me.

Because then I'm at a loss here what the hell you're talking about.

[LinksOcarina]

*sigh*.....It's SKYRIM all over again......DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR ALL OF DAI'S DLC TO BE OUT BEFORE I CAN PLAY IT ON MY XBOX 360 OR PS3?

 

 

I doubt it. Give it some time.

 

 

The real question is: As a PS4 owner, will you buy timed exclusive PS4 titles/dlc?

 

If you will, then your actions are irrelevant, you are simply hypocritically ranting and whining because this time you are on the wrong side. Reason being the offer Microsoft/Sony made to Publisher would have account for lost of sales on the other console due to timed exclusive. They already expected that as a PS4 owner, you probably wont buy it and Microsoft already paid on your behalf in this case.

 

Unless XB owners dont buy XB timed exclusive and PS owners dont buy PS timed exclusives, timed exclusives is here to stay.  

 

At this point I think it will be here to stay regardless of what happens.

[Swaggerjking]

I think this is all down to EA backing the wrong horse.

If you think back to E3 (sorry if i've got that wrong, there's so many gaming press events these days I mix them up all the time lol) a few years back when they announced the next gen consoles, XBoxOne hit the ground running.
Everyone was super impresses and was fairly confident that the new Xbox was going to be the number 1 for the next generation of console players.
I'm willing to bet this is when EA made the deal with Microsoft, I mean what could go wrong?

And then MS kept digging a massive hole for themselves in the following years press events. DRM, marketing it as an entertainment center, not allowing customers to share games with friends etc, etc.

Now fast forward to today, Bioware is left to clean up the fallout. EA doesn't give a sh*t, they got paid and they don't have to deal with the brunt of pi*sed off customer base.
What really worries me is that its shady crap like this that can tank a developing company overnight, I mean hell. look at what happened to Maxis Emeryville at the start of this month.

For the record, I'm not solely having a go at MS, I think Sony would have done the exact same thing in a heartbeat if the above was reversed. They're equally as bad as eachother in that regard.
Its just frustrating as hell to see that they don't have the forethought to realise that ridiculous deals like timed DLC etc, is what's slowly killing the console industry.
And why Valve is doing so damn well.

Woo... Ok, rant over lmao.

if you're talking about expiations from the previous Gen maybe but the ps4 was announced first I believe and came off running then the Xbox 1 got announced then quickly got label the xbone for it dmr higher prices and focus on other media than games then they when E3 came around and the major nelson or who pretty much insulted every one who didn't have great internet and ps4 rose ever higher while Xbox rose a little by actually focusing on the games and then some time afterwards they drop the dmr policy and rose but ps4 was still the most from what I saw

[Maker Be Damned]

EA and microsoft are butt buddies.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

I don't mind exclusivity deals just because I think they're so stupid that major IPs that sign up for them are shooting themselves in the foot anyway, but I am really annoyed that there's not even talk or confirmation from bioware about whether the new DLC is gonna be released on the last gen platforms.

 

Just as an update, Aaryn Flynn confirmed in today's Kotaku interview that the DLC will be released for the game's other platforms. (Implying including last gen.) So I don't think PS3/Xbox 360 users need to worry about not getting it at all. It's just a matter of when, which I consider good news.

[davepissedatending]

EA and microsoft are butt buddies.

this LMFAO