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[daveliam]

To add on Nata's point, I'd say to the OP, give Cass a chance if you haven't already.  I didn't do her romance, but I've heard almost nothing but praise for it.  She might not be physically what you go for, but I hear that Gaider really knocked it out of the park with her.  I see that you said you're 100 hours into the game, but I'm not sure if you did a romance or not.

[Zobert]

To add on Nata's point, I'd say to the OP, give Cass a chance if you haven't already.  I didn't do her romance, but I've heard almost nothing but praise for it.  She might not be physically what you go for, but I hear that Gaider really knocked it out of the park with her.  I see that you said you're 100 hours into the game, but I'm not sure if you did a romance or not.

 

You can't do her romance though unless you make certain choices along the way.  I found that one out with my male Inquisitor.  She's kinda judgmental.

[Rawgrim]

Tried the Cassandra romance in my first playthrough, or rather my first attempt. A bug forced me to restart the whole game after 50 hours or so.

 

The thing with her romance is that it has so much auto-dialogue etc. At one point my inquisitor started giggling like a schoolgirl for no good reason. That really broke my character, truth be told. I was playing a harsh no nonsense kind of fellow, and when things like that happens it rips the character's personality apart.

[o Ventus]

Tried the Cassandra romance in my first playthrough, or rather my first attempt. A bug forced me to restart the whole game after 50 hours or so.

 

The thing with her romance is that it has so much auto-dialogue etc. At one point my inquisitor started giggling like a schoolgirl for no good reason. That really broke my character, truth be told. I was playing a harsh no nonsense kind of fellow, and when things like that happens it rips the character's personality apart.

 

If someone is "harsh, no nonsense" in an intimate and romantic setting, they have issues.

[Zobert]

You have to be willing to conscript the mages to date her and throw Varric under a bus.

 

Who knew?

[Grieving Natashina]

 

Re: Oh goodie -- no one forces anyone to read any thread unless all of you are under mind control from a talking Darkspawn that forces you to read.

 

Don't read them if you find them tiresome or boring rather than insult new posters.

 

Re: LGBT folks...I don't claim to speak for LGBT folks so not sure what you're even talking about or why my being bi needs to be brought into the discussion or taken into account when I said it would be nice if everyone got more options of LIs that traveled with you and that gay men and lesbians had the fewest choices.

 

All T, no shade...I'm done, like you're done with these threads, with having to always think about what other members of the LGBT community think about things or loaning my solidarity to this stuff.  I'm an individual.  I don't care what anyone who does not know me personally thinks about me, my opinions, or actions.  I will own my own opinion and they can post theirs or they can choose not to post theirs.  We're not all some collective hive. 

 

So if you want to be a spokemodel for other bi's you go head, gurl.  That's not me.

 

 

What? 

 

I wasn't trying to be a spokesperson for anything or anyone.  Wow, I have no idea where that came from.  I didn't make any sort of blanket statement either.  I respectfully disagreed with you, and only mentioned that a lot of other women felt the same way as I did.  That's all.  

 

Please, point out where I said I spoke for the entire LGBT group.  I never said that.  I respect that you don't feel the same way as I do.  We can disagree without getting aggressive with anyone.  

 

I wasn't trying to be aggressive and if I came off that way, I sincerely apologize.  I was trying to be nice to the OP.  He may not have known that there was a lot of threads like this.  A little snark and a little sarcasm may have been unwarranted on my part, which is why I made the body of the post about the reasons why people were snarky, and why a DLC companion isn't going to happen.  I also genuinely empathized with the OP, because it's never fun having LI options that aren't to your taste.

 

I mentioned lesbians and bisexual women because of the options of either Cullen or Josie.  Some would agree with you, some wouldn't.  I never, ever said that all women think the same way.  Please don't put words into my mouth.  I did have a bit of a sigh, and you're right, I didn't have to read this thread.  However, I did give the OP a respectful and honest answer as to why there wasn't going to be a DLC companion this time.  I didn't flame him, nor call him any names.

[Rawgrim]

If someone is "harsh, no nonsense" in an intimate and romantic setting, they have issues.

 

That was his general personality. All about duty and justice. Batman'ish, maybe.

 

Still no reason for the game to take control of my character and have him giggle like some Tele Tubby.

[o Ventus]

That was his general personality. All about duty and justice. Batman'ish, maybe.

 

Still no reason for the game to take control of my character and have him giggle like some Tele Tubby.

Even Batman opens up (on the very rare occasion) when he's in a romance.

[Imryll]

In retrospect, Bio probably shouldn't have added two male LIs to the game during the extension, though I can see why they picked the characters they did.

I might agree if the original choices for heterosexual females were more broadly appealing. There's "not my type" and then there's inviting female players to choose between a love interest likely to injure them physically and someone who leaves them lying naked in a barn. Just sayin'

[MisterJB]

Why if Cassandra is already an option?

[Rawgrim]

Even Batman opens up (on the very rare occasion) when he's in a romance.

 

Well yes. I never said my character didn't open up, did I? I am saying there is a difference between letting your character open up, and the game just taking control of his personality.

[Allan Schumacher]

There's no real issue with the thread as it's a request for more content (which I expect all fans would like on some leve).

It's important to keep some perspective though that no romanceable character will appeal to every person so with every game there will be people that say "Hey I don't like any of these options." Which is fine, but it'll probably come around in the future with stuff that you do like.

As for a new character that is unfortunately pretty unlikely as it'd be very intensive to overhaul much of the single player segments and conversations. This extends to current characters too somewhat, as changes to their writing can have all sorts of knock on risks that may not be apparent at first. So it's very likely "too much of a risk" to make these types of changes because it'd have impact with most of the game.

There could be characters that could have romances in DLCs and the like, but that content is most likely going to be reserved for the DLC sections just due to that risk. I don't know what plans they may or may not have for that though. As some have suggested, someone like Harding would possibly work as there's already some ground work (less risk!) but it'd all come down to what the DLC creators want to do within that content (which I don't know, sorry!).

[Grieving Natashina]

There's no real issue with the thread as it's a request for more content (which I expect all fans would like on some leve).

It's important to keep some perspective though that no romanceable character will appeal to every person so with every game there will be people that say "Hey I don't like any of these options." Which is fine, but it'll probably come around in the future with stuff that you do like.

As for a new character that is unfortunately pretty unlikely as it'd be very intensive to overhaul much of the single player segments and conversations. This extends to current characters too somewhat, as changes to their writing can have all sorts of knock on risks that may not be apparent at first. So it's very likely "too much of a risk" to make these types of changes because it'd have impact with most of the game.

There could be characters that could have romances in DLCs and the like, but that content is most likely going to be reserved for the DLC sections just due to that risk. I don't know what plans they may or may not have for that though. As some have suggested, someone like Harding would possibly work as there's already some ground work (less risk!) but it'd all come down to what the DLC creators want to do within that content (which I don't know, sorry!).

He lives!  

[Zobert]

What? 

 

I wasn't trying to be a spokesperson for anything or anyone.  Wow, I have no idea where that came from.  I didn't make any sort of blanket statement either.  I respectfully disagreed with you, and only mentioned that a lot of other women felt the same way as I did.  That's all.  

 

Please, point out where I said I spoke for the entire LGBT group.  I never said that.  I respect that you don't feel the same way as I do.  We can disagree without getting aggressive with anyone.  

 

I wasn't trying to be aggressive and if I came off that way, I sincerely apologize.  I was trying to be nice to the OP.  He may not have known that there was a lot of threads like this.  A little snark and a little sarcasm may have been unwarranted on my part, which is why I made the body of the post about the reasons why people were snarky, and why a DLC companion isn't going to happen.  I also genuinely empathized with the OP, because it's never fun having LI options that aren't to your taste.

 

I mentioned lesbians and bisexual women because of the options of either Cullen or Josie.  Some would agree with you, some wouldn't.  I never, ever said that all women think the same way.  Please don't put words into my mouth.  I did have a bit of a sigh, and you're right, I didn't have to read this thread.  However, I did give the OP a respectful and honest answer as to why there wasn't going to be a DLC companion this time.  I didn't flame him, nor call him any names.

 

 

I'd say don't put words in my mouth about what you think I said to you, too, but then we're just going circular.

 

Why are we bringing other people into this instead of speaking for ourselves?  You have GREAT opinions.  I've read yours in the KISA thread.  Why not speak for you?  You don't have to include, nor do I other bisexuals into the discussion.  We don't need to make a GLBT panacea on here or defend one.

 

I want to hear Natashina's opinions. Yours are interesting enough,

[o Ventus]

Well yes. I never said my character didn't open up, did I? I am saying there is a difference between letting your character open up, and the game just taking control of his personality.

You said he was harsh and no-nonsense, and that "the game took control of his personality" by the simple act of him laughing. The autodialogue in this game is only a continuation of the last dialogue choice you picked. Pick a different dialogue, and the auto speech is different (usually, anyway). You had to have picked a silly dialogue for that to be the case.

[Rawgrim]

You said he was harsh and no-nonsense, and that "the game took control of his personality" by the simple act of him laughing. The autodialogue in this game is only a continuation of the last dialogue choice you picked. Pick a different dialogue, and the auto speech is different (usually, anyway). You had to have picked a silly dialogue for that to be the case.

 

No I picked the option which had a heart on it. The only romance option bit in the dialogue. and it did not imply, in any way, that a giggling fit would follow.

[o Ventus]

No I picked the option which had a heart on it. The only romance option bit in the dialogue. and it did not imply, in any way, that a giggling fit would follow.

 

If someone is spending private time with another person they care about, why would they not be more open to giggling or laughing? Even if the dialogue didn't directly indicate that he would laugh, I don't see why this is a problem. It makes perfect sense that the Inquisitor would be more open and warm in this context. It isn't like ME3 autodialogue that would shift between angsty and sincere at the drop of a hat.

[daveliam]

Yay! Allan's back!

[Grieving Natashina]

 

I'd say don't put words in my mouth about what you think I said to you, too, but then we're just going circular.

 

Why are we bringing other people into this instead of speaking for ourselves?  You have GREAT opinions.  I've read yours in the KISA thread.  Why not speak for you?  You don't have to include, nor do I other bisexuals into the discussion.  We don't need to make a GLBT panacea on here or defend one.

 

I want to hear Natashina's opinions. Yours are interesting enough,

 

 

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.  I mentioned that your opinion was that the adviser romances don't count in your eyes.  I also mentioned that there was some that disagreed with you.  I'm not sure why it's a problem to say, "Other people have felt the same way as I did."  That isn't speaking for everyone, nor trying to encourage a hive mindset.

 

I have no idea where you got the impression that I was trying to speak for an entire group.   I was merely talking about the experiences I'd read from other women in the forums, the ones that feel the same way I do.   It was to illustrate that I'm not alone in my opinions.  I didn't think I was speaking for an entire group when I mentioned that some women also really enjoyed the adviser romances.  Again, I said some.  I never use blanket statements, even offline.  Shoot, I'll remind my friends that blanket statements are bad, and can lead to stagnant thinking.   I can, however, express that others have felt the same as I do.  If anything, I was trying to demonstrate that not all women, or all players for that matter, think/act the same.

 

I did state my opinion.  I think the adviser romances have just as much content and can be just as rich as the companions' arcs.  I also know from reading several threads that I'm not alone and I think it's fair to mention that.  Just as I know from several posts that you aren't alone either and for some of those posters, it wasn't nearly as fulfilling as a companion romance since you can't take the advisers with you.

[Rawgrim]

If someone is spending private time with another person they care about, why would they not be more open to giggling or laughing? Even if the dialogue didn't directly indicate that he would laugh, I don't see why this is a problem. It makes perfect sense that the Inquisitor would be more open and warm in this context. It isn't like ME3 autodialogue that would shift between angsty and sincere at the drop of a hat.

 

Its a roleplaying game. The player should be in control of his own character. This bit just takes control too far away from the player, and actively gives the character a certain personality.

[Gileadan]

You said he was harsh and no-nonsense, and that "the game took control of his personality" by the simple act of him laughing. The autodialogue in this game is only a continuation of the last dialogue choice you picked. Pick a different dialogue, and the auto speech is different (usually, anyway). You had to have picked a silly dialogue for that to be the case.

I get what you mean, but he definitely has a point here. The giggle scene happens early in the romance when you're still in Haven, so there is no romantic atmosphere yet, it's more a first harmless flirt. The dialogue wheel option is "Flatterer.". I don't know... I didn't expect that to lead to a childish giggle.

[Rawgrim]

I get what you mean, but he definitely has a point here. The giggle scene happens early in the romance when you're still in Haven, so there is no romantic atmosphere yet, it's more a first harmless flirt. The dialogue wheel option is "Flatterer.". I don't know... I didn't expect that to lead to a childish giggle.

 

Exactly. It felt completely off, and extremely out of character.

[FadelessRipley]

 
1 - I find that the romantic choices offered to - well - male lovers far outweigh the choices offered to female lovers.
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My 2cents, will keep playing, and thanks for a great game

I see why these types of thread get people riled up, I genuinely do. They annoy me, too. However I have to give OP credit and say his is the best request I've seen on the matter. I've quoted the snippet above to highlight this because:

1) He says "the romantic choices offered to - well - male lovers far outweigh the choices offered to female lovers." Chances are he means straight dudes, yeah. But that's actually pretty good wording. He's not ranting about straight guys being hard done by. He's really polite and uses pretty friendly language. These extra female options could easily be bi going by the way he's phrased it. He's not ranting about how many options others have compared to him, he's just saying there's a disparity. I'm a gay woman and I'm in the same boat as a "female lover".

2) He states it's just his two cents and actually thanks BioWare for their efforts.

I can understand a knee-jerk reaction to requests like this. However I'm hard pushed to find anything remotely like the usual disenchanted dudebro ranting in OPs post at all.

[Grieving Natashina]

One more thing to the OP:  You might want to reconsider the idea that you've been gaming longer than the rest of us.  I've been gaming since 1982 (when I was 3, on the Atari 2600,) and I've met some players that started back in the pinball and PONG days.  So please don't assume that you've been gaming longer than most of the forum.  I've been playing video games for 32 years now, and I'm not even one of these major veterans of gaming.  I'd say most of folks I've personally chatted with here have been playing video games for 20+ years.  Besides, length of time shouldn't matter.  We're BioWare fans (for the most part, I know how you feel Raw,) many of us identify as gamers, and enjoy the games.  

 

I'm honestly not sure what you were getting at by your statement about how long some of us have played games.  It shouldn't matter if it's 30 years or a year.  A player has the privilege (not the right) in a gaming forum to express ideas, regardless if they just started gaming or not.

 

I see why these types of thread get people riled up, I genuinely do. They annoy me, too. However I have to give OP credit and say his is the best request I've seen on the matter. I've quoted the snippet above to highlight this because:

I can understand a knee-jerk reaction to requests like this. However I'm hard pushed to find anything remotely like the usual disenchanted dudebro ranting in OPs post at all.

Agreed.  He isn't calling the LIs "fuggos," and he isn't saying stupid shite like "Bring the sexy characters back!"  That's why, despite my sighing intro, I didn't flame the guy.  It's a fair enough request, and he wasn't being a jackass about it.

[Lady Artifice]

I see why these types of thread get people riled up, I genuinely do. They annoy me, too. However I have to give OP credit and say his is the best request I've seen on the matter. I've quoted the snippet above to highlight this because:

1) He says "the romantic choices offered to - well - male lovers far outweigh the choices offered to female lovers." Chances are he means straight dudes, yeah. But that's actually pretty good wording. He's not ranting about straight guys being hard done by. He's really polite and uses pretty friendly language. These extra female options could easily be bi going by the way he's phrased it. He's not ranting about how many options others have compared to him, he's just saying there's a disparity. I'm a gay woman and I'm in the same boat as a "female lover".

2) He states it's just his two cents and actually thanks BioWare for their efforts.

I can understand a knee-jerk reaction to requests like this. However I'm hard pushed to find anything remotely like the usual disenchanted dudebro ranting in OPs post at all.

 

He's been perfectly polite and there's been no childish ranting. A+, imo. 

 

I personally find the request for more varied options completely sympathetic. 

 

When it's expressed with maturity.