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[berelinde]

The developers deserve respect because they are human beings. Everyone does. The product they produce is not a human being, so it must be evaluated based on its value.

 

The developers worked hard on this DLC, and they are compensated. Each of them receives a salary and the extra work they put in will be reflected in their performance reviews. That's what businesses do. Sure, I'm sure they are gratified when they read praise, but players aren't obligated to give it to them. Fans show their support in many ways. One of those ways is to purchase the product, which, in turn, pays their salaries.

 

I'm not too thrilled with the product they produced right now. The associated patch broke a lot of things that I like about the game. Its value to me is zero, so that's how much I'm willing to spend on the product. I continue to respect the developers as human beings, but buying DLC is a financial transaction, not a group hug.

[Archerwarden]

The latest DLC is out and the reception is beyond bad. Timed exclusivity is a bad move and it shouldn't happen in the first place. I understand people complaining about it. But saying the DLC is worthless? Really? 

... at least pay respect to the people who made it. The whole DLC needs countless man-hours to develop. The devs did their best to deliver us a great product. Then the product isn't up to your taste, you just describe it 'worthless'.

Respect is earned.
The developers make a product. Period. People who buy a product are Customers. Customers dissatisfied with that product have a right to call it "worthless". It is their opinion. Employees who work at a game company are not celebrities to be worshipped. Treated as any other person? Yes. Treated as any other company? Yes? Treated special because they work in the gaming industry as opposed to say the toothpaste industry? No.

[Robert Cousland]

Because they keep doing BS like this, lying about game content, and because they keep treating us, the fans, like idiots.

[Squeets]

Eh... People need to stop QQing.

 

Sure it might not have the value of some other DLC that is $15 (which just shows that those DLCs are very very high in value, not that this DLC lacks value)... But it is still very good value compared to other forms of entertainment...

 

Two weeks ago I took my two siblings to see a movie on a Saturday night... It was after 5pm... Each ticket for the movie was $12... I got each of us a drink... $5 each... $51 to see a 90 minute movie... And that doesn't even include the gas for the 20 minute drive there and back in a jeep...

 

One day tickets to my local theme park? $36 per person...

 

Couple hundred bullets to go to the shooting range for an afternoon? $200+

 

To argue that any video game, short of $150 collector's editions with $90 worth of plastic figures and bullshit included, lacks value is pretty damn retarded... You people either do nothing else in your lives that costs any money at all... Or are 10 years old and have like $20 total to your name.  Even **** tier video games like Call of Duty have more value included in their $60 price tag than pretty much any other form of entertainment one can think of.

[KBomb]

Eh... People need to stop QQing.

 

Sure it might not have the value of some other DLC that is $15 (which just shows that those DLCs are very very high in value, not that this DLC lacks value)... But it is still very good value compared to other forms of entertainment...

 

Two weeks ago I took my two siblings to see a movie on a Saturday night... It was after 5pm... Each ticket for the movie was $12... I got each of us a drink... $5 each... $51 to see a 90 minute movie... And that doesn't even include the gas for the 20 minute drive there and back in a jeep...

 

One day tickets to my local theme park? $36 per person...

 

Couple hundred bullets to go to the shooting range for an afternoon? $200+

 

To argue that any video game, short of $150 collector's editions with $90 worth of plastic figures and bullshit included, lacks value is pretty damn retarded... You people either do nothing else in your lives that costs any money at all... Or are 10 years old and have like $20 total to your name.  Even **** tier video games like Call of Duty have more value included in their $60 price tag than pretty much any other form of entertainment one can think of.

I don't understand this logic. Consumers need to be smart whether something is $5.00 or $15.00, it doesn't matter. If a poor quality item is released and people bought it because, "Oh well, it's cheap!", then the product is going to remain garbage because it is still selling. I don't care if I spend $2 on a cup of coffee, if that coffee taste like ******, I am not going to buy another cup just because it's cheap. 

 

Just because $15.00 is short change to you, don't assume it is for everyone. I know a lot of gamers and some are teenagers, some are parents and some have low paying jobs. Every cent counts to them and they want a quality product. I don't blame them. If you do some research and find out that a DLC is $15.00, but low quality, good for you for not purchasing it. A good consumer should never support poor quality. 

 

Disclaimer: I am not saying this DLC is poor quality. I have not played it and wouldn't never make a judgement without doing so. I am speaking in general terms. 

[Unpleasant Implications]

Preach it! I know Oghren is alive and well and we wont rest until Bioware gives us that dwarf back.

Y'know, we have definitive info on every companion BUT him... There may be a reason for that....

[Eelectrica]

They lost my respect. Simple I beta tested for them, and patch 6 goes live without a word form even one of them to the beta testers. We basically got the brush off. Things that we told them were not working right or not good enough are still not right, or good enough and, now you all have to put up with it. That is not right and, not what I expect if a game developer actually cares two hoots about it's players. Clearly EA/Bioware does not care at all, even when we beta test for them for FREE.

Thanks at least for trying. Not much you can do when no one listens.

[Precursor Meta]

You know, most people complain about exclusive DLC when they're the ones being excluded. I'm on Xbox one and haven't complained about the exclusivity of the DLC one bit. I don't outright endorse it either but I bought the DLC so isn't that kind of endorsing it? But oh if this were to happen the other way around, I'd be raising holy hell.

I'm such a hypocrite on the matter as are many others on the internet and even on this very forum...

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't understand this logic. Consumers need to be smart whether something is $5.00 or $15.00, it doesn't matter. If a poor quality item is released and people bought it because, "Oh well, it's cheap!", then the product is going to remain garbage because it is still selling. I don't care if I spend $2 on a cup of coffee, if that coffee taste like ******, I am not going to buy another cup just because it's cheap. 

 

Just because $15.00 is short change to you, don't assume it is for everyone. I know a lot of gamers and some are teenagers, some are parents and some have low paying jobs. Every cent counts to them and they want a quality product. I don't blame them. If you do some research and find out that a DLC is $15.00, but low quality, good for you for not purchasing it. A good consumer should never support poor quality. 

 

Disclaimer: I am not saying this DLC is poor quality. I have not played it and wouldn't never make a judgement without doing so. I am speaking in general terms. 

I like BioWare, I loved Inquisition and I'm holding off on the DLC.  The money isn't a big deal, but I've been reading non-spoiler reviews first.  Also, as I mentioned in another thread, I've had some major issues with DLC capatibilty in the past.  I've had to use third party programs, move folders and other hoop-jumping just to get the DLC I paid for and bought off of the official site to work.  The issues that I had with ME2, ME3, DA:Ultimate Edition and DA2 have made me leery.   

 

As far as the topic goes, I know that part of it is frustration.  Some of the devs were active before the game came out, and spend a lot of time talking to the players, like Allan.  David Gaider had his blog and would also come to the forums from time to time.  Now the devs have gone very silent for the most part (although Allan still pops in from time to time,) and David Gaider has shut down his blog and is no longer working on the DA project.  In short, the players knew that they were at least being acknowledged by BioWare and now those lines of communication have mostly stopped.  I know why the writers and even most of the devs tend to avoid open discourse on the forums, due to the things the OP mentioned.  

 

However, this creates a problem where some of the posters feel like their concerns are being echoed in a vacuum.  I feel some things, such as the priority of exploit removal over quest fixes (Solas' quest took until Patch 5 to fix,) could have been made at least more clear if the devs were more open.  If somehow, those exploits prevented the quest fixes (not saying that it did, but I know jack squat about coding,) or if bugs like the one that still exists with Dorian's personal quest are harder to replicate,  then it would have been nice to hear what happened.  I don't think the devs owe us anything when it comes to the forums, but I know that I'd like to hear their logic sometimes.

 

I don't agree with being rude and caustic.  I don't agree with the tone of some of these posts.  Yet, I can see why folks are getting kinda p*ssed off here, and why the lack of communication is getting very bothersome.  I try very hard to either ignore such posts, or try to find a common ground as a fan with someone that's angry.  A lot of the points have been very valid as well.  That method isn't for me, but I can't fault others for taking that tone with the company sometimes.  At least to a degree; some of the "you should be fired" posts strike me as ridiculous.

[almasy87]

Ha. Most of the people here keep saying "they don't listen to feedback, they made a dlc with the same stupid fetch quests and huge ass area when we already told them we hate it!" (and not everyone hates it. I quite like huge areas, specially if as beautiful as this, and I like side quests that help you learn a bit about Thedas).

But anyway... It's clear that this is not a DLC they made after the game!! Come on people.. You all think the devs would put effort into something people don't like, for what reason? To ****** them off? Cause they are mean and enjoy making people upset? NO!
It's clear that this is a part of the game that didn't make it to the release, maybe because the area was too big, or there were bugs or whatever.. so they just postponed it. There are a lot of dialogues, even some related party banter, and it has shards.. so it was supposed to come out before.
Or maybe they started working on it immediately after release, because you know, it doesn't take a month to make some content.. It takes quite some time. So by the time all the people started whining that they don't like the mmo style fetch quest, it was already too late because the work was already in progress/almost finished/just needed retouchs.

And what would you expect them to do? Just toss all the work out because some people don't like it? No one would do that! "I just spent a week designing this stronghold, but I guess nobody will like it, so I'm just gonna trash all my work". Really don't think so.

This was something that would have come out sooner or later. So it's just an area that adds up to the game. It would have been there anyway whether people liked it or not since it should have been in the main game..

The only thing that can be criticized a bit is the price. 15$ seemed a bit too steep to me at the beginning. But then again you know what? I'm really liking it. It's quite chilled, beautiful area, I like the Avvar, and guess what, I've been playing since 8.30 pm, stopped at 2.30 am with only about 15 mins interruption. And I'm playing on normal and find it quite challenging. So that's a lot of time in my opinion, and it's worth the 15$ that you pay nowadays to do other "activities" (cinema, food, bowling, yada yada) that last what? max 2 hours.

 

[Nefla]

Welcome to the BSN where everyone confesses there love of BioWare an all things BioWare, well until BioWare release something that is

 

DA:I will be the pinnacle of gaming when DA4 is released btw

More like the bar keeps getting lowered with each game and people desperately try to cling to the things that are slipping away. Also people forget to praise the things they like in a game when it comes out and only bring those things up to compare later on. Ex: "DA2 was bad but at least it had ____ DA:I doesn't even have that." I haven't seen anyone who hated on previous games when they came out suddenly praising them as being perfect now that a new game is out.

[KBomb]

I like BioWare, I loved Inquisition and I'm holding off on the DLC.  The money isn't a big deal, but I've been reading non-spoiler reviews first.  Also, as I mentioned in another thread, I've had some major issues with DLC capatibilty in the past.  I've had to use third party programs, move folders and other hoop-jumping just to get the DLC I paid for and bought off of the official site to work.  The issues that I had with ME2, ME3, DA:Ultimate Edition and DA2 have made me leery.   

 

As far as the topic goes, I know that part of it is frustration.  Some of the devs were active before the game came out, and spend a lot of time talking to the players, like Allan.  David Gaider had his blog and would also come to the forums from time to time.  Now the devs have gone very silent for the most part (although Allan still pops in from time to time,) and David Gaider has shut down his blog and is no longer working on the DA project.  In short, the players knew that they were at least being acknowledged by BioWare and now those lines of communication have mostly stopped.  I know why the writers and even most of the devs tend to avoid open discourse on the forums, due to the things the OP mentioned.  

 

However, this creates a problem where some of the posters feel like their concerns are being echoed in a vacuum.  I feel some things, such as the priority of exploit removal over quest fixes (Solas' quest took until Patch 5 to fix,) could have been made at least more clear if the devs were more open.  If somehow, those exploits prevented the quest fixes (not saying that it did, but I know jack squat about coding,) then it would have been nice to hear the reasoning.  I don't think the devs owe us anything when it comes to the forums, but I know that I'd like to hear their logic sometimes.

 

I don't agree with being rude and caustic.  I don't agree with the tone of some of these posts.  Yet, I can see why folks are getting kinda p*ssed off here, and why the lack of communication is getting very bothersome.  I try very hard to either ignore such posts, or try to find a common ground as a fan with someone that's angry.  A lot of the points have been very valid as well.  That method isn't for me, but I can't fault others for taking that tone with the company sometimes.  At least to a degree; some of the "you should be fired" posts strike me as ridiculous.

This is pretty much how I see it. I really like this game and I have tried to say as much and when it came out, I remember writing a post about all the things I liked and disliked. I also know that some of the "I like this" posts can be lost when louder voices prevail, but I can understand the frustration. I have questioned quite a lot of design ideas such as hair, clothing, the Orlais wear, removal of exploits, RNG, etc because most of the bugs that have plagued my game have been fixed. Yet, those little design flaws really bother me and as you said, I would love to hear some logical answers as to why.

 

I also know it can be frustrating for people who have severe bugs and I can imagine after a while of not hearing any news about fixing them, frustration can turn to anger. That anger isn't helped by people mocking those concerns or baiting those who have them. 

 

I do plan on buying this DLC, but not until Friday. I have a paper due and I don't need a distraction. In the meantime, it'll allow me to talk with friends who have played it and read a few reviews. If they give me a thumbs down, I may wait until sometime later to get it. I will say I am not too happy with more fetch quests and shards. God, those shards. Anyway, I can't blame those who don't want to buy a DLC they don't feel is worthy of the price. 

[Grieving Natashina]

This is pretty much how I see it. I really like this game and I have tried to say as much and when it came out, I remember writing a post about all the things I liked and disliked. I also know that some of the "I like this" posts can be lost when louder voices prevail, but I can understand the frustration. I have questioned quite a lot of design ideas such as hair, clothing, the Orlais wear, removal of exploits, RNG, etc because most of the bugs that have plagued my game have been fixed. Yet, those little design flaws really bother me and as you said, I would love to hear some logical answers as to why.

 

I also know it can be frustrating for people who have severe bugs and I can imagine after a while of not hearing any news about fixing them, frustration can turn to anger. That anger isn't helped by people mocking those concerns or baiting those who have them. 

 

I do plan on buying this DLC, but not until Friday. I have a paper due and I don't need a distraction. In the meantime, it'll allow me to talk with friends who have played it and read a few reviews. If they give me a thumbs down, I may wait until sometime later to get it. I will say I am not too happy with more fetch quests and shards. God, those shards. Anyway, I can't blame those who don't want to buy a DLC they don't feel is worthy of the price. 

I think you read my issues thread that I started in Feedback last week, but I can say all of what you've said sounds familiar.  I plan on waiting a couple of weeks before I drop my cash.  Partially for reviews, partially to see what bugs there is going to be, and partially due to End of the Month bills coming up.

 

Shards...<sigh>  I'm glad I have a gaming mouse.  Platforming on a PC with PC controls...ugh.  I'm not a fan of that.

 

If someone feels the DLC isn't worth the price, then more power to them.  It's no skin off of me if they decided it isn't worth their money.  In fact, I'd applaud anyone that's hesitant on buying the DLC doing some homework first.  It beats buying it blindly, and then declaring that it sucks.  Research, purchase, then play.  If it sucks after that, at least you (general term) didn't walk in without informing yourself first.

[LPPrince]

I absolutely respect the devs, whether I enjoy the products they create or not(and I definitely enjoy Inquisition).

 

An example of why I love these folks- Today I ran a 9 to 10 hour stream of Jaws of Hakkon for people to check it out.

 

During it, Bioware's Bryan Johnson went onto his Twitch account, watched my stream, and gave me advice during my game. Asked me if I needed help with a puzzle, reminded me to jump down to grab loot from a closed rift, etc etc.

 

Thats badass. That doesn't happen every day. And thats one of the reasons I've committed myself to being here for so long.

[Grieving Natashina]

I absolutely respect the devs, whether I enjoy the products they create or not(and I definitely enjoy Inquisition).

 

An example of why I love these folks- Today I ran a 9 to 10 hour stream of Jaws of Hakkon for people to check it out.

 

During it, Bioware's Bryan Johnson went onto his Twitch account, watched my stream, and gave me advice during my game. Asked me if I needed help with a puzzle, reminded me to jump down to grab loot from a closed rift, etc etc.

 

Thats badass. That doesn't happen every day. And thats one of the reasons I've committed myself to being here for so long.

That's pretty awesome!  Would you mind sending me a PM with a link to that?  I'd love to check that out.  

[Han Shot First]

I'm quite sure which is worse. BSN or the bad parts of Tumblr.

 

There is a good part of Tumblr?

[Steelcan]

There is a good part of Tumblr?

the porn

[LPPrince]

That's pretty awesome!  Would you mind sending me a PM with a link to that?  I'd love to check that out.  

 

I'm afraid the livestream will live on in memory as it wasn't saved. Though I've fixed that for later streams, should the time come I ever do another "LP remains silent so people can enjoy the narrative and his complete incompetence" livestream.

 

Sowwy. Here's a link to my twitch however if you want to follow it. http://www.twitch.tv/lpprince

 

I can say that a Bioware dev has been in its chatroom, not only that but was totally helpful and that makes me happy. Makes me feel more interconnected with Bioware than I've felt on the forums in a long time.

 

That connection? We need more of that. I want to work on making that happen.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm afraid the livestream will live on in memory as it wasn't saved. Though I've fixed that for later streams, should the time come I ever do another "LP remains silent so people can enjoy the narrative and his complete incompetence" livestream.

 

Sowwy. Here's a link to my twitch however if you want to follow it. http://www.twitch.tv/lpprince

 

I can say that a Bioware dev has been in its chatroom, not only that but was totally helpful and that makes me happy. Makes me feel more interconnected with Bioware than I've felt on the forums in a long time.

 

That connection? We need more of that. I want to work on making that happen.

Thanks for the link, and hopefully you'll save the next PT for posterity.  

[dreamgazer]

BEST. BOGFISHER. EVER.

[AWTEW]

They lost my respect. Simple I beta tested for them, and patch 6 goes live without a word form even one of them to the beta testers. We basically got the brush off. Things that we told them were not working right or not good enough are still not right, or good enough and, now you all have to put up with it. That is not right and, not what I expect if a game developer actually cares two hoots about it's players. Clearly EA/Bioware does not care at all, even when we beta test for them for FREE.

 

Well thanks for your hard work, and it sucks they did that to you. This is why I don't believe in 'free beta testing'.

[LPPrince]

Thanks for the link, and hopefully you'll save the next PT for posterity.  

 

Hah, well I don't think I'll be playing more Inquisition till another story DLC drops.

 

But I'll stream it for the community if I can manage. And hopefully Bioware stops by again for some chit chat and advice.