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[Grieving Natashina]

Hah, well I don't think I'll be playing more Inquisition till another story DLC drops.

 

But I'll stream it for the community if I can manage. And hopefully Bioware stops by again for some chit chat and advice.

I'm playing the ME series again (only for the 3rd time) while I patiently await reviews and possible bugs with the new DLC.   Also, and this isn't a complaint, I'm also waiting to see if there is any problems that arise with mods and the DLC.  I'd rather wait a bit and do the research rather than run into a stumbling block for my mods.  If BioWare would give us a clothing tinting table and fix the two bugged out mosaic pieces, I wouldn't be as worried about it.

 

Thanks so much!  Keep us posted and I look forward to it.  

[Nimlowyn]

But anyway... It's clear that this is not a DLC they made after the game!! 
 

 

Actually...

Hi KillTheLastRomantic,

As one of the writers on the DLC, I wanted to say Jaws of Hakkon was created entirely after the team finished making Dragon Age: Inquisition. People can like it or not (I hope they do!) but I wanted to clear that misconception.

Thanks,

SylvF

(Also I don't normally post here - I worry about inadvertently derailing discussions - so this will probably be my only post on the matter.)

 

[LPPrince]

I'm playing the ME series again (only for the 3rd time) while I patiently await reviews and possible bugs with the new DLC.   Also, and this isn't a complaint, I'm also waiting to see if there is any problems that arise with mods and the DLC.  I'd rather wait a bit and do the research rather than run into a stumbling block for my mods.  If BioWare would give us a clothing tinting table and fix the two bugged out mosaic pieces, I wouldn't be as worried about mods.

 

Thanks so much!  Keep us posted and I look forward to it.  

 

Well far as Hakkon goes, I would've rather paid $10 for it instead of the $15, but thats just me. It was more of the same Inquisition I played before, though I enjoyed Inquisition so I didn't mind.

 

Hell,

Spoiler

I recruited A FREAKING BEAR as an agent!

 

Don't click that spoiler button. Its a pretty fantastic thing to discover on your own in game.

[Grieving Natashina]

Already got spoiled on that, but thankfully I don't know the details.  I'm about to disappear from most of the forums, except for a few threads that are good about using spoiler tags.  I managed to stay mostly spoiler-free before Inquisition, and I'm going to try to stay that way again before I play this DLC.  To be honest, the main reviews I'm waiting for are bugs, DLC compatibility (will this break the main game) and mod compatibility.  

[Morroian]

Already got spoiled on that, but thankfully I don't know the details.  I'm about to disappear from most of the forums, except for a few threads that are good about using spoiler tags.  I managed to stay mostly spoiler-free before Inquisition, and I'm going to try to stay that way again before I play this DLC.  To be honest, the main reviews I'm waiting for are bugs, DLC compatibility (will this break the main game) and mod compatibility.  

 

Cant use mods any more cause the latest patch broke them, maybe deliberately.

[Grieving Natashina]

Cant use mods any more cause the latest patch broke them, maybe deliberately.

Actually, I read that you can do it via the Patch 5 method and break out Notepad++ to change your version number so you can mod after the patch.  I also know that the modders are working with fixing the tools right now, particularly after patch 6 and the DLC.  I'm giving them the time they need.

 

Nothing personal, promise, but I don't buy that they deliberately broke mods for a second.  I've heard that before, so don't think this is an attack on you.  That just sounds like a Tin Foil Hat theory and I think folks are projecting their disgust of EA here.  I'm not saying that EA hasn't earned some disgust and hate, but I think that this theory sounds a little paranoid.  

 

I don't think BioWare or EA (you can mod the hell outta the Sims, including the latest one) is anti-modding.   Otherwise, groups like the DAI Modding Tools thread would have been shut down long before they released the new hair mod, which is still in alpha.  The author of the mod (I forgot her name,) has even come onto the main forums and promoted it.  I think that if BioWare/EA was as anti-mod as some claim, they'd crack down much harder.  Any post, link or picture that shows off a mod would be likely to get yanked down if mods were suddenly no longer allowed.   There would be interviews and blog articles stating why they would no longer promote any modding, since they know it would completely infuriate part of the fanbase.  

 

I guess I am not one of those that thinks that EA or BioWare hates the players, even if I feel like they can be out-of-touch sometimes.  Not saying you are either, but that's been a popular sentiment as of late.   I heard the same thing about mods before release, during patch 2, patch 4 and patch 5 and my mods still worked.  Being patient doesn't hurt, and I don't have my hopes up that high that modding will be easy.  Either way, less stress.  

[Hazegurl]

The latest DLC is out and the reception is beyond bad. Timed exclusivity is a bad move and it shouldn't happen in the first place. I understand people complaining about it. But saying the DLC is worthless? Really? 

Of course, you can choose not to buy it but at least pay respect to the people who made it. The whole DLC needs countless man-hours to develop. The devs did their best to deliver us a great product. Then the product isn't up to your taste, you just describe it 'worthless'.

P.S: I know many will find my opinion 'invalid' or 'fanboyish' but I'm being honest.

You have to give respect to get it in return.  Treat your customers like sacks of money then expect them to not care about your feelings. 

 

Also, your logic is rather odd. Just because someone worked hard on something does not mean it should automatically be worth something to the consumer. If a product is worth the money then the consumer will simply buy it. If it is something you would not spend your money on, then it is worthless to you, even if you wouldn't use that terminology.

 

As for the hate, I think it goes both ways. I have seen people get trashed, talked down to, and insulted for simply expressing criticism about the game. No matter how well written it is.  It's only natural that the person getting attacked will get nastier about their opinion as the attacking continues.  Just as it isn't mature to walk into a forum and cursing out devs and consumers who like a product, it isn't mature to hiss and spew at every single opinion that isn't a glowing review.

 

Note: I'm not saying you are doing that. I'm talking about in general.

[Lilithor]

" I do not believe that language was developed over the years so that we could isolate one another and apply hurtful labels or to remind individuals of their circumstances.  I believe it was developed so we could tell one another stories, give one another insight, and record our rich and colorful history."--JosieRevisted, BioWare Forums.

Interesting, still Bioware spends language to produce **** while we already have the anus to do that. Language deserved better.

[Melca36]

The latest DLC is out and the reception is beyond bad. Timed exclusivity is a bad move and it shouldn't happen in the first place. I understand people complaining about it. But saying the DLC is worthless? Really? 

Of course, you can choose not to buy it but at least pay respect to the people who made it. The whole DLC needs countless man-hours to develop. The devs did their best to deliver us a great product. Then the product isn't up to your taste, you just describe it 'worthless'.

P.S: I know many will find my opinion 'invalid' or 'fanboyish' but I'm being honest.

 

Because people have an overblown sense of entitlement, they're selfish bullies who hide behind a handle.

 

I've seen this before with DA2 and Origins.  Its the same broken record. 

 

This DLC was fun and had ALOT of interesting lore.  If people are to spoiled and selfish to see that, than thats their problem.

 

To wish failure on something is really disgusting behavior and I feel sorry for these bullies. They must be really troubled in their real lives that they need an outlet

[Melca36]

sry but I do find your opinion fanboyish

of course no one should insult the Devs or anything like that sure its a game after all

 

But if someone (like me) doesn't like the DLC or is disappointed with DA:I in general

then I can say that this is a discussion forum after all

Or do you only want people here who praise Bioware all the time ?

 

Its their job to deliver good content they are paid to do it and if they fail (they did in my opinion) people

who bought it can say whatever the hell they want

 

The DLC is garbage and DA:I was a major disappointment 

How is this disrespecting the Devs? And I doubt they did their best, if this DLC is really all they can do these days

then lol

 

 

Same song and dance for DA2. You people are NOTHING new. And for the record I don't think the game is a 10. Its has issues but Ive played far worse out there.  The fact remains some of you have become selfish bullies and you are too blind to see it.  You want everyone to wallow in your misery.

 

Oh and the forum only counts for a small minority so please stop assuming you are speaking for everyone

[KaiserShep]

Interesting, still Bioware spends language to produce **** while we already have the anus to do that. Language deserved better.

 

But the question that burns my mind is: How have you been using it to type?

[Little Princess Peach]

I like the Dev's I do but for the love of cheesecakes the game could of been better...I spnt 60 pounds on the main game just to have a bunch of patches corrupt my saves and if the devs can't handle some bad press maker they are in the wrong line of work...

[Melca36]

I like the Dev's I do but for the love of cheesecakes the game could of been better...I spnt 60 pounds on the main game just to have a bunch of patches corrupt my saves and if the devs can't handle some bad press maker they are in the wrong line of work...

Theres criticism and then theres outright trolling and bullying. This forum has become a toxic cesspool.

[almasy87]

Hi KillTheLastRomantic,

As one of the writers on the DLC, I wanted to say Jaws of Hakkon was created entirely after the team finished making Dragon Age: Inquisition. People can like it or not (I hope they do!) but I wanted to clear that misconception.

Thanks,

SylvF

(Also I don't normally post here - I worry about inadvertently derailing discussions - so this will probably be my only post on the matter.)

 

Ok, had missed this post. But still, as I mentioned before, my point still stands, they started working on it when they finished working on DAI. So by the time they realized that some people didn't like the way those quests are, it was probably already almost done.

I agree with this guy, people can like it or not like it, it wouldn't have made a difference cause it was going to come out anyway..

[AlexMBrennan]

Of course, you can choose not to buy it but at least pay respect to the people who made it. The whole DLC needs countless man-hours to develop. The devs did their best to deliver us a great product. Then the product isn't up to your taste, you just describe it 'worthless'.

So? If is spent 100h throwing feces at canvas you wouldn't call that a masterpiece just because I spent a long time and really really tried?
It is not impossible to spend a lot of effort and end up with nothing worthwhile. Sorry if reality offends you.

Because people have an overblown sense of entitlement, they're selfish bullies who hide behind a handle.

Base game is $0.50 per hour of entertainment, DLC is $3 per hour of entertainment. Clearly, I am being abusive whilst charging people stupidly inflated prices (because you know that dedicated players will pay any price to get the "full experience" aka sunk cost fallacy) is the pinnacle of fairness.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

The latest DLC is out and the reception is beyond bad. Timed exclusivity is a bad move and it shouldn't happen in the first place. I understand people complaining about it. But saying the DLC is worthless? Really? 

Of course, you can choose not to buy it but at least pay respect to the people who made it. The whole DLC needs countless man-hours to develop. The devs did their best to deliver us a great product. Then the product isn't up to your taste, you just describe it 'worthless'.

P.S: I know many will find my opinion 'invalid' or 'fanboyish' but I'm being honest.

saying DLC is worthless has absolutely nothing to do with respect towards devs. just as saying your post is moronic doesn't mean i think you're a moron

[SolNebula]

Respect is earned by deeds.

 

The timed exclusive deal they accepted (don't start the whole bs that it's EA....EA owns BW thus they are EA) make it so difficult for me to defend them.

 

Respect for individuals which is ofc required shouldn't shield them from criticism to their products or business practices.

[cindercatz]

@OP

I think people do respect the devs, but if people are upset about value/dollar, it becomes a balance against self interest, and self interest wins. Justified? I have no idea; I'm on PS4.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Because people have an overblown sense of entitlement, they're selfish bullies who hide behind a handle.

 

I've seen this before with DA2 and Origins.  Its the same broken record. 

 

This DLC was fun and had ALOT of interesting lore.  If people are to spoiled and selfish to see that, than thats their problem.

 

To wish failure on something is really disgusting behavior and I feel sorry for these bullies. They must be really troubled in their real lives that they need an outlet

 

Wow ! well, that's a nice blanket statement you got there. So anyone who doesn't like this DLC or says the DLC is 'worthless' (even though worth is subjective), is a 'selfish bully' and has problems in their life, Wow.

 

It might be fun for you, but it wasn't for a quite a few of people, just because you like something doesn't make your opinion more 'valid'. Anyone who bought and played this DLC can form any opinion about it, they may hate it or they may love it, it doesn't matter. 

 

I've read quite a few posts of people who didn't like this DLC or even the game, and almost none of them resorted to ad hominem attacks and only criticized the product (which they are perfectly entitled to do so) , unlike what you are doing right now, Really, it makes you look like a hypocrite and intolerant of other's opinions. 

[SnakeCode]

I had never even heard of BSN, until I wandered in here last year through a link in a news article that pointed this way, when Mike Laidlaw announced DAI Romances through the forums (which I found remarkable):

 

http://forum.bioware...ge-inquisition/

 

I started participating here after things got messy in the fandom on tumblr after DAI came out, but I see that people here (not everyone, but a compelling enough group of voices) have become bitter and unappeasable. What happened to the fans' amicable relationship with the devs?

 

Were things ever good between fans and devs, or was my intro to BSNland just a lucky fluke of a first impression?

It's the BSN cycle. Pre launch a few of the devs are semi regular posters to help promote the game, the fans are naive and think "they actually care!" There is still a lot of hostility, just mostly aimed at each other. All of the official romance threads were locked due to people being hostile to each other.

 

Post launch, people are disappointed with the game, people who like the game feel the need to defend it and engage in wars with them. Devs are nowhere to be seen. Posters say they've left because of the "toxicity" and because of people criticising the game. It's more likely because everyone on these boards already has the game, there's no need to promote it further here.

 

The devs will be back when the next game hits pre production, you can be certain of that. People will start to think they care again and the cycle will begin anew.

[Kulyok]

Post launch, people are disappointed with the game, people who like the game feel the need to defend it and engage in wars with them. Devs are nowhere to be seen. Posters say they've left because of the "toxicity" and because of people criticising the game. It's more likely because everyone one these boards already has the game, there's no need to promote it further here.

 

Point. I've always been very surprised by how many developer posts are there a year before the release(when we know nothing about the game and can't ask them about the characters or quests), but those developer posts completely disappear after the game is available, and there's so much I(we) want to ask.

 

Cynical, but probably not untrue.

[Bunny]

Point. I've always been very surprised by how many developer posts are there a year before the release(when we know nothing about the game and can't ask them about the characters or quests), but those developer posts completely disappear after the game is available, and there's so much I(we) want to ask.

 

Cynical, but probably not untrue.

 

Yes, and there's so much I don't even realize I wanted to know until someone else asks.

[Ashen Nedra]

It's the BSN cycle. Pre launch a few of the devs are semi regular posters to help promote the game, the fans are naive and think "they actually care!" There is still a lot of hostility, just mostly aimed at each other. All of the official romance threads were locked due to people being hostile to each other.

 

Post launch, people are disappointed with the game, people who like the game feel the need to defend it and engage in wars with them. Devs are nowhere to be seen. Posters say they've left because of the "toxicity" and because of people criticising the game. It's more likely because everyone one these boards already has the game, there's no need to promote it further here.

 

The devs will be back when the next game hits pre production, you can be certain of that. People will start to think they care again and the cycle will begin anew.

 

This is called and taught in business schools as using community management for e-marketing. Creating brand and product stories by using mostly the Internet and social media (storytelling is everywhere in marketing these days).

 

EA even hired a communication agency for DAI launch whose mandate included, inter alia, posting on Twitter and other community forums to build up hype prior to release.

 

This one: http://www.ayzenberg...ct-clients.html

 

So, with the way the industry is behaving these days, I can't honestly buy developers caring about their paying customers  who sometimes act rationally and criticize a sub-par product.

 

On the other side of the spectrum, a fan is, by essence, an ultimate cash-cow .

 

Seriously, I'm thinking that  before long we'll see a famous game developer marrying a MMA fighter (ladies first) or a well-known gaming babe and using their affair and LA wedding to promote their next game.

 

Peer exchange, however nasty it can be at times, is a lot more helpful and interesting than this kind of 'communication'.

Modifié par Ashen Nedra, 25 mars 2015 - 03:11 .

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Oh come on. At worst, there's a few weirdos(the worst of BSN I can think of was the Tali's sweat threads).

That is nowhere near as bad as 65% of Tumblr.

 

Jesus, I've just googled "Tali's sweat".

 

There's no hope for humanity.

[Killdren88]

Eh, still better than the Mass Effect 3 devs. They all went into the underground bunker after the Ending debacle.