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[Ardat-Yakshi Master Race]

Grenade gear is not consummables.

What IS grenade gear?

[Turian Master Race]

What IS grenade gear?

It is in your inventory under rare gears. It allows you to take extra grenades.

[Quarian Master Race]

What do you mean by grenade gear? Also, I am severely lacking in consumables....

Grenade capacity, Shock Trooper Upgrade and Warfighter package gear (permanent "consumable" slot on the bottom right) all give you extra grenades. You don't have the first, and only low levels of the remaining two, meaning most grenade kits will only be able to carry 2-3 grenades under optimal evolution setups instead of 7+ 

It also means that you can't cheese Thermal Clip Packs to get 50+ grenades per game. Basically, the kits will still be good without it but will be reliant on a decent weapon more than some other powers based kits because you won't be able to just spam grenades at every target like you can with grenade gear without a lot of running to boxes.

[Dovakiin_N7]

http://masseffect.wi...tomization/Gear


Once you have it, you have it. Not sober enough to explain.

[JRandall0308]

 I am looking for kits with the talon or acolyte in mind!

 

Two of the top pistols in the game. They share several things in common

• they are excellent at applying ammo effects
• they do extra damage to shields/barriers (Acolyte is king, of course)
• they are relatively light

Because these guns are so strong, almost any character can use one or the other effectively. But since you asked and I am bored out of my mind today....

 

Adepts

Spoiler

• Human -- Acolyte. Strip shields/barrier, drop Singularity, detonate with Warp or Shockwave or both. For ammo use Warp (extra damage from everything being biotic'd all the time) or Incendiary (for explosions and Warp/Incendiary glitch).
• Asari -- Talon. Stasis 6a Bubble and aim for the head. Warp/Throw for explosions on tough enemies.
• Drell -- Acolyte. Strip shields/barrier, Reave, detonate with Cluster Grenades. I will skip the usual "is Pull worth it?" and just say try various builds now while you still have a reason to promote.
• Asari Justicar -- Talon. Reave and Biotic Sphere are all you need on her. Or you could use Acolyte and play her like a grenade-less Drell Adept.
• Ex-Cerberus -- Talon. Singularity, Smash (animation cancelled), repeat. Optionally Acolyte, Singularity, Smash, played like the vanilla Human Adept. Note: Smash is one of the most powerful anti-armor powers in the game. You should prioritize armored bosses for destruction when you play this guy.
• N7 Fury -- Acolyte or Talon. But basically you are running around using Annihilation Field and Throw for constant Biotic Explosions. I usually put 3 pity points in Dark Channel so I have something to do at range.
• Volus -- Talon. Plays similarly to the vanilla Asari Adept with Stasis 6a Bubble, but with less frequent Biotic Explosions because you want to save the Biotic Orbs for defense and cooldown. This character requires a fairly skilled player to pull off... I'm not very good with him, regardless of weapon.
• Krogan Shaman -- Talon. I would normally recommend the Wraith shotgun, but the Talon is the shotgun of pistols anyway, so it's similar. This guy is a tanky adept with BASE barrier of 1,000! Warp, and detonate with Shockwave. Warp/Incendiary if you feel like it. Don't be afraid to heavy melee once in a while, but I wouldn't build around that. Also remember to purge Barrier (the power) sometimes to stagger Phantoms or Geth.
• Batarian Slasher -- Talon. You can play him like a slower, tankier Drell Adept using Warp and Cluster Grenades, or you can have lulz with Lash into Heavy Melee.
• Awakened Collector -- Talon. Not a great weapon for him, though. There are a zillion different ways to build this guy, but basically you want to hid the slow cooldown with the faster ones, while trying to detonate Dark Channel with Dark Sphere.

Soldiers

Spoiler

This is easy: Talon on all of them. They are weapon classes after all.

 

You could argue for Acolyte on the Vorcha Soldier because it strips shields/barriers so you can then Flamer things to death. But if you're going to do that, play the Geth Trooper or Vorcha Sentinel instead.

 

Engineers

Spoiler

• Human -- Talon. Drone, no Drone, doesn't matter. CC things with Overload or Incinerate. Detonate Incinerate with Overload. Shoot things with the Talon. Disruptor Ammo is nice here so you can get tech bursts off it, although they are weaker than your 6/6 power combos, so you might use Armor Piercing (or Drill Rounds) instead.
• Quarian Female -- Talon. I like 4 points in Sentry Turret for the 4b Shock. Cryo Blast freezes health-only enemies allowing for easy headshots. You can use the Incinerate 6a Freeze Combo if you want to. Otherwise just alternate powers and shoot in between. She's one of the nicest power cycling classes in the game.
• Salarian -- Talon. I think 3 points in Decoy is still worth it. Again, cycle his powers while shooting things. Because he already has answers to both shields/barriers (Energy Drain) and armor (Incinerate) you can use whatever ammo you want.
• Geth Engineer -- Talon. And be sure to take his awesome weapon abilities in Hunter Mode and Networked AI (his passive). This guy is sneakily one of the best weapons characters in the game! Overload to CC things, then aim for the head. AP or Drill for wallhax with Hunter Mode. I do take 3 ranks in Geth Turret for the shield-restoring buddy.
• Quarian Male -- Talon, although Acolyte would be decent as well. Basically you're going to be throwing grenades a lot. If you don't have grenade gear, then use them sparingly for when you can catch several enemies in the amazingly huge radius (8m even if you don't take 4b Radius evolution, which makes it 10.4m).
• N7 Demolisher -- Talon. Grenades all the time, but you'll need to shoot in between, and Acolyte doesn't have enough stopping power by itself. Note: I build her 6/6/6/6/0 (so 0 Fitness) and practice not getting hit. It's good practice.
• Volus -- Talon, because you already have two stagger powers. This little guy is extremely powerful and would really like a more mid-range weapon like a good assault rifle, but you use what you have. Yes, his cooldowns will be on the slow side, so place your Recon Mine carefully and let it sit there and debuff things; you can't detonate it frequently the way you can with the Drell Assassin Infiltrator.
• Turian Saboteur -- Talon. Again there are a zillion ways to build him, so find one you like. But he does need a 'real' gun (i.e. not the Acolyte) because other than Homing Grenade, he has no way to do damage without his gun.
• Vorcha Hunter -- Talon. Submission Net should make for the easiest headshots you'll ever have.
• Talon Mercenary -- Talon, of course. Ideally with the +melee attachment because his Omni-Bow counts as melee. I build him to skip Concussive Arrows (so 6/0/6/6/6) but could be convinced I'm wrong. You don't HAVE to spam Cain Mines, but when you want to, you have that option.

OK, so I could've just typed 'Talon for all Engineers' and saved myself some time. Heh.

 

Hmm. This is more tiring than expected. I'll try to stop by later and complete the other characters.

 

TL;DR -- both are great guns. Use Talon on characters that are going to shoot a lot, and Acolyte on characters who primarily need to strip shields/barriers so they can apply their in-character powers.

 

Also I have no idea what happened to my post... hopefully you can read it more or less.

[Ardat-Yakshi Master Race]

Ahhhh.... I generally take geth scanner most of the time so I can see things coming....

[Creator Limbs]

>"Don't have many useful weapons."

>Has Talon

>gg

[Dunmer of Redoran]

>"Don't have many useful weapons."

>Has Talon

>gg

 

Acolyte too.

[smeckie]

Adepts, Engineers, Sentinels, Vanguards are pretty much all power based. Soldiers and Infiltrators are more weapon based to begin with.

[Deerber]

You pretty much nailed the topic on that post thank you. Pretty much the guidelines are, if it cant be effectively played with a talon or acolyte, it shouldn't be up there... I would think drellguard is an acolyte character

 

Well, the acolyte would be better than a shuriken

 

Well, if those are the guidelines, then I'm gonna change my answer to the good ol'

 

Reapers - Drellguard

Collectors - Drellguard

Cerberus - QMI

Geth - QMI.

 

However, all of that is moot, since you forgot that little detail about your manifest, that you do not have grenade capacity

 

So, overall, taking a look at your manifest, this is what I'd do:

 

Reapers - Fury

Collectors - Fury

Geth - Slayer

Cerberus - Slayer

 

Builds:

 

Fury

 

Slayer

 

 

Replace AP ammo for warp on the Fury as soon as you got some. Until you have pistol amps on the Slayer, leave the weapon amp slot free.

 

But seriously, take the advice someone already gave in this thread and work on your common and uncommons. Really, the biggest problem with providing you a working build right now is not the lack of URs, but the lack of proper mods/consumables/gear. I can't stress this enough, really.

 

 

And yeah, the acolyte works great on any vanguard, but so does the Talon, really, and the Wraith too. The acolyte is more newb-friendly though, so if you find you have a hard time with the weapons I suggested, feel free to switch them both for the acolyte.

 

 

EDIT: Also, is Valkyrie a good substitute for Fury?

 

No it's not, if you don't have access to good weapons.

 

sure, it would work as long as you had TCPs left. Virtually nonexistent weapon damage would ensure that you ran out of those before most of the more efficient grenade combo kits, for example. While you would still be able to kill pretty efficiently with just the boxes, you'd be gimped in comparison to say, a Slayer or Furry, which is why I wouldn't put him quite all the way up there on powers alone unless the rest of your team is just not that great.

 

Pfffft, I could solo gold using only TCPs and grenades, and sometimes the gun to apply ammo. 6 TCPs of 9 nades each is more than enough for that. If there's anyone doing anything on the team other than me, even better.

 

However, all of that discussion is academic, since the OP doesn't have grenade capacity, so... Yeah.

[MaxCrushmore]

Vorcha Soldier or Vorcha Sentinel with Acolyte or Reegar is very powerful. You strip shields / barriers with your weapon then apply flamer liberally. (BSN flame shield on)

 

The Asari Valkryie is one of the best kits in the game (especially with Warp ammo and a really good gun like the Talon or Wraith)

 

A couple things I would recommend:

 

Until you get a little more playing time I would try to spec at least 4 ranks of fitness on your characters, it will help a lot. For example, rank 5 on your Asari Valkryie's passive tree does very little, especially compared to the extra barrier / health you would gain from using those points in rank 4 fitness. Power damage doesn't affect biotic explosions.

 

Also, don't look at it as a waste of credits to occasionally buy smaller credit packs like JEP's and VPs as these will provide you valuable consumables like cyclonics, adrenaline modules and ammo mods, as well as in game consumables. You always want to use an ammo mod as they make a massive difference.

 

Once you get a little more in game time, i can tell you that the human adept is an excellent power class, effective on every difficulty without high level consumables.

[Creator Limbs]

BSN: Teaching a whole new generation of players to use Flamer all the time even though we all complained about it previously.

 

Beautiful.

[Ardat-Yakshi Master Race]

Well, if those are the guidelines, then I'm gonna change my answer to the good ol'

 

Reapers - Drellguard

Collectors - Drellguard

Cerberus - QMI

Geth - QMI.

 

However, all of that is moot, since you forgot that little detail about your manifest, that you do not have grenade capacity

 

So, overall, taking a look at your manifest, this is what I'd do:

 

Reapers - Fury

Collectors - Fury

Geth - Slayer

Cerberus - Slayer

 

Builds:

 

Fury

 

Slayer

 

 

Replace AP ammo for warp on the Fury as soon as you got some. Until you have pistol amps on the Slayer, leave the weapon amp slot free.

 

But seriously, take the advice someone already gave in this thread and work on your common and uncommons. Really, the biggest problem with providing you a working build right now is not the lack of URs, but the lack of proper mods/consumables/gear. I can't stress this enough, really.

 

 

And yeah, the acolyte works great on any vanguard, but so does the Talon, really, and the Wraith too. The acolyte is more newb-friendly though, so if you find you have a hard time with the weapons I suggested, feel free to switch them both for the acolyte.

 

 

No it's not, if you don't have access to good weapons.

 

 

Pfffft, I could solo gold using only TCPs and grenades, and sometimes the gun to apply ammo. 6 TCPs of 9 nades each is more than enough for that. If there's anyone doing anything on the team other than me, even better.

 

However, all of that discussion is academic, since the OP doesn't have grenade capacity, so... Yeah.

Uhhhh something other than fury? I have been trying for a LOT to get one without luck, and that is only one of 6 characters I dont have.... look at the manifest lolol

[MaxCrushmore]

BSN: Teaching a whole new generation of players to use Flamer all the time even though we all complained about it previously.

 

Beautiful.

 

In fairness I never really complained about it, I prefer to preach responsible flamertude

[q5tyhj]

I was playing my huntress today, on some randoms, when I got geth a few times... And it was then that I realized that I should talk to the community....

 

Now, before you go into a black widow this, claymore that, hurricate ftw ect. I DO NOT HAVE many of the useful weapons, and therefore, I am looking for kits with the talon or acolyte in mind!

 

What (in your opinions) are the best power heavy kits against each of the factions, and what is the best jack of all trades?

Slayer vs everything, Collector vs Collectors/Reapers, Geth Trooper vs Reapers, Fury vs. everything except Geth... But once you get the acolyte you can run all of them vs everything anyways. Except Geth, because **** Geth. 

[Dovakiin_N7]

Well, if those are the guidelines, then I'm gonna change my answer to the good ol'

 

Reapers - Drellguard

Collectors - Drellguard

Cerberus - QMI

Geth - QMI.

 

However, all of that is moot, since you forgot that little detail about your manifest, that you do not have grenade capacity

 

So, overall, taking a look at your manifest, this is what I'd do:

 

Reapers - Fury

Collectors - Fury

Geth - Slayer

Cerberus - Slayer

 

Builds:

 

Fury

 

Slayer

 

 

Replace AP ammo for warp on the Fury as soon as you got some. Until you have pistol amps on the Slayer, leave the weapon amp slot free.

 

But seriously, take the advice someone already gave in this thread and work on your common and uncommons. Really, the biggest problem with providing you a working build right now is not the lack of URs, but the lack of proper mods/consumables/gear. I can't stress this enough, really.

 

 

And yeah, the acolyte works great on any vanguard, but so does the Talon, really, and the Wraith too. The acolyte is more newb-friendly though, so if you find you have a hard time with the weapons I suggested, feel free to switch them both for the acolyte.

 

 

No it's not, if you don't have access to good weapons.

 

 

Pfffft, I could solo gold using only TCPs and grenades, and sometimes the gun to apply ammo. 6 TCPs of 9 nades each is more than enough for that. If there's anyone doing anything on the team other than me, even better.

 

However, all of that discussion is academic, since the OP doesn't have grenade capacity, so... Yeah.

 

Dibbo.

Was recharge speed on Fury build was a mistake?  Even though I think you are a heretic, I am gonna try that build tonight.

Edit : recharge speed on throw.

[q5tyhj]

Vorcha Soldier or Vorcha Sentinel with Acolyte or Reegar is very powerful. You strip shields / barriers with your weapon then apply flamer liberally. (BSN flame shield on)

**** how could I forget big homie the Vorcha sentinel... Herp D. Derp. Don't even have to have grenade gear to kick a metric ****-ton of ass, and you can use Phasic or Disruptor if you don't have a good anti-shield weapon yet. 

[q5tyhj]

Dibbo.

Was recharge speed on Fury build was a mistake? 

Not IMO; I never used to take it but I gave it a shot after reading Deerber talk about it and after trying it myself I doubt I'll go back- but I also prefer heavy weapons on her (Claymore, Venom, etc) so that recharge actually makes a pretty noticeable difference.

[Deerber]

Uhhhh something other than fury? I have been trying for a LOT to get one without luck, and that is only one of 6 characters I dont have.... look at the manifest lolol

 

Ah, how stupid can I be, I watched your whole manifest carefully, chose everything according to it... Except the character

 

Anyway, replace the Fury for this on both Collectors and Reapers:

 

Vorcha sentinel

 

 

Although the Slayer can destroy both Reapers and Collectors too. But it might be trickier to play him against those factions, so a flamer kit is definitely easier to play there.

[Deerber]

because **** Geth. 

 

This should be stressed, really.

 

Dibbo.

Was recharge speed on Fury build was a mistake?  Even though I think you are a heretic, I am gonna try that build tonight.

Edit : recharge speed on throw.

 

No, it was on purpose. I find that evolution highly underappreciated around here. With a semi light loadout such as the one I suggested, it might be a toss which evo is better, but once you go heavier than that it becomes a no-brainer, in my opinion. I mean, even with that semi light loadout that evolution basically allows you to do 20% more BEs. It's not that bad, is it? And you're losing, what? 200 damage on throw to get it? Well... You know. BEs are bettah.

 

However, that is clearly not the build I use. It was tailored to his manifest and his skills. This is what I use, and what I would suggest to a skilled player looking for a different angle on her, that is actually at least as effective as the most wide spread builds. Obviously, you can switch to a different gun if you prefer. I like the Venom on her, but I know many don't appreciate that weapon.

[Creator Limbs]

Fury with the Claymore is the best Fury.

[Quarian Master Race]

This should be stressed, really.

 

 

No, it was on purpose. I find that evolution highly underappreciated around here. With a semi light loadout such as the one I suggested, it might be a toss which evo is better, but once you go heavier than that it becomes a no-brainer, in my opinion. I mean, even with that semi light loadout that evolution basically allows you to do 20% more BEs. It's not that bad, is it? And you're losing, what? 200 damage on throw to get it? Well... You know. BEs are bettah.

I only just looked but why does your Furry have a goddamn tin can?

[Deerber]

I only just looked but why does your Furry have a goddamn tin can?

 

Because the OP doesn't have many other acceptable substitutes. His High Lord weights so much that if he uses that, he's gonna wait for the AF cooldown the whole wave, so that's not really practical

[Dovakiin_N7]

I am very ashamed to admit that Fury with claymore is not the best I can do.

 

I generally do UUG. With fury, open maps like Rio are frustration. Even in closed map when i am surrounded by 4 phantoms (wave 8+) , single shot claymore gets me killed. I prefer venom on her. Same with Valkyrie.

 

That is why for me Huntress >>>>>>> Fury. Open or closed, she don't give a ****.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Krolord.