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[WarlordThor]

I don't expect this thread to be taken kindly by Bioware, but I really hope they don't decide to censor it with a lock as I will try to be as polite as possible.

From what I have seen lately, Bioware is headed downhill in many ways. Not mentioning recent issues with dragon age, I have just started my play through ME2, and while I hope the story will be great, I can't say I am pleased.

The first issue I have, as I see many have, is the helmets on the custom armors. I really feel ripped off by this, and think many others might as well. I do not care if the way you acheieved the look was by doing it all as one piece. I would have taken a worse look then so I could see my characters face once in awhile. If I had known about this, I wouldn't have pre-ordered and would have likely waited for the game to drop in price. So, touche on marketing exploitation.

Secondly, the inventory system. It would be nice to be able to use my terminus gun as well. But I guess I am waiting utnil I have a weapons locker or some such to be able to touch it. And apparently if I want to switch between weapons while out and about, I am just plain out of luck. Nice and realistic, but I think we have all already accepted the unrealistic nature of being able ot carry around multiple guns and accepted it.

I am also a bit confused on this Zaeed issue. How do you not have the dlc designed to be out on day one, availible for the xbox 360 on day one?

Overall, my opinion is that Bioware is going downhill and probablly will continue. I feel a lot of this has to do with EA, which I have always had problems with in terms of customer service and satisfaction. I am sure many. I hope Bioware comes off so harshly in these forums in there attempts to silence criticism because they themselves are furstrated by the limitations imposed on them by their parent company. If not, and this is all solely on the hands of Bioware, I regret to see a maker of fine games slowly lose itself. I can only hope leads will split off and form a new company to supply us with both good games, and good service. At least one of these has seemed to be lacking at most times with Bioware recently.

[Unit-Alpha]

Those are the biggest issues you can think of? Honestly, while some are completely valid, why are you saying Bioware is on a downward spiral because of them?

[WarlordThor]

These are only the issues I have personally encountered. I don't feel I have the right to comment on the many freezing problems I see people having, the debacle with activation codes on accounts and etc.



All in all, I have never seen this kind of ridiculous nature in a game company for a long time. Actually, I can't think back to any games I personally have bought that have been so riddled with bad support, bad service, and questionable implementation.



And I base my opinion off the past having little to no complaints with Bioware or their games. Now, it seems I am scratching my head every few days wondering how some people are keeping their jobs after dropping the ball again and again in such rapid succession.



Feel free to disagree as many will. But I would like to see a ME3, and a DA2 and etc that are concisely put together and with much better support.

[Cream_Poof]

I don't think their bank account is going downhill:)

[Unit-Alpha]

No, I think many of your points are valid but I just think the customer service issues are momentary setbacks. EA has improved a great deal in the past couple of years so we can (mostly) stop blaming them.

[Popstick]

I love it when people over-react and get bent completely out of shape by a few oversights in the design process. Did you also think BW was going downhill when they released the first Mass Effect? Afterall, that game was riddled with flaws and poor implementations.



Chances are BW will find a way (a patch perhaps) to allow players to toggle helmets on and off, and if they don't, at least they'll have it fixed by ME 3. What's wrong with the inventory? It's less of a pain in the ass than carrying around 20 identical pistols and 10 identical sets of armour and whatever pointless loot that existed in ME 1.

[Insanityxiii]

STFU GTFO

[WarlordThor]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

No, I think many of your points are valid but I just think the customer service issues are momentary setbacks. EA has improved a great deal in the past couple of years so we can (mostly) stop blaming them.

Tell that to my week and a half wait for a response on a sims 3 issue. After waiting in an online queue for live discussionf or an hour before being disconnected by their server and being told no agents were availible when I was down to #2. Not to menntion when they finally replied it had nothing to do with ym issue.

While that is a bit off topic, it does reflect on EA. EA however is not responsible for everything, and Bioware needs to take some blame for sure.

And no their bank account is not going down, yet. Well who am I kidding, when the sequels to these games come out im going to buy them anyway, and then complain. They have me in their grip :/

[WarlordThor]

Popstick wrote...

I love it when people over-react and get bent completely out of shape by a few oversights in the design process. Did you also think BW was going downhill when they released the first Mass Effect? Afterall, that game was riddled with flaws and poor implementations.

Chances are BW will find a way (a patch perhaps) to allow players to toggle helmets on and off, and if they don't, at least they'll have it fixed by ME 3. What's wrong with the inventory? It's less of a pain in the ass than carrying around 20 identical pistols and 10 identical sets of armour and whatever pointless loot that existed in ME 1.

Note the first over reaction in this thread was yours. I'm all up for disagreement, but maybe stick to reality.

[Satanicfirewraith]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Those are the biggest issues you can
think of? Honestly, while some are completely valid, why are you saying
Bioware is on a downward spiral because of them?

Well let see... There was the hanky DLC issues with DAo, not working right, Then there is the 40 dollar exspansion, or the Return to Ostagar DLC which was to come out the first week of Jan and is oh wait its no where to be found yet.
Now they made this big hype about Day one dlc for ME2, the bonus character.... which is again no where to be found on day one... (kinda defeats the purpose of saying tis day one dlc then huh?)
Not to mention that it seems that the rpg aspects of ME 2 have been almost phased out for the wider fanbase of a shooter platform.
Add to that the fact you have to micromanage stupid stuff that a computer would normally take care of just to add "fluff" to a game.

Then there are the game play changes that really make the combat feel much slower and is alot more broken then the first game was...
Like say power mapping... and weapon toggle... Oh yeah I forgot you cant weapon toggle anymore because its now a power mapping button... Or when you map a power to a button and the go to use the power and nothing happens.....
How part the fact Shep can jump over obsticals now but can no longer crouch unless using cover??

I miss the BioWare of old! The RPG gods of the gaming world, not this new Appeal to the masses company owned by EA.

Modifié par Satanicfirewraith, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:29 .

[sinosleep]

http://www.metacriti...360/masseffect2

96 on metacritic, oh how the mighty have fallen!

[WarlordThor]

sinosleep wrote...

http://www.metacriti...360/masseffect2
96 on metacritic, oh how the mighty have fallen!

Gee, how could anyone disagree with this one website, which must be the most valuable and insightful look into Bioware and ME2

[sinosleep]

Because it's not one website, it's an aggregate score genius.

[mikey3k]

WarlordThor wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

http://www.metacriti...360/masseffect2
96 on metacritic, oh how the mighty have fallen!

Gee, how could anyone disagree with this one website, which must be the most valuable and insightful look into Bioware and ME2

It is not one website, it a collection of all ME2 reviews which have been an average of 96. Your posts have been full of hyperbole which is why most haven't taken you seriously.

[EssEeeEcks]

Bioware is allowed to make mistakes, regarding the DLC armor.

[Terror_K]

Just because Mass Effect 2 is a great game, doesn't mean it's a great RPG. It could probably be considered as the deepest shooter out there. It could also probably be considered to be the shallowest RPG.

[WarlordThor]

sinosleep wrote...

Because it's not one website, it's an aggregate score genius.

Compiled by, oh wait, one website. And consisting all of game reviews by outlets other thenn regular people. I don't know about anyone else, but I stopped trusting review scores when magazines went out the window for the internet. I'll take a real person's opinion any day over someone in the game industry, being paid to write a review, or is otherwise obligated to some form of community base.

Because, the obvious fact is, regular people are willing to point out the real flaws much more accurately. Even having a blog biases someone to try to appeal to the people visiting their site. Others can just come out and say how it is.

But yes, obviously you are right the game is flawless as so many of those reviews state. Never thought I'd see a flawless game.

[sinosleep]

If you take a second to look under the posted score, you'll see that the USER SCORE is a 9.3.

[trollkinchiz]

Sounds like a whole lot of trolling to me. Get over it and have fun already.

[mikey3k]

WarlordThor wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Because it's not one website, it's an aggregate score genius.

Compiled by, oh wait, one website. And consisting all of game reviews by outlets other thenn regular people. I don't know about anyone else, but I stopped trusting review scores when magazines went out the window for the internet. I'll take a real person's opinion any day over someone in the game industry, being paid to write a review, or is otherwise obligated to some form of community base.

Because, the obvious fact is, regular people are willing to point out the real flaws much more accurately. Even having a blog biases someone to try to appeal to the people visiting their site. Others can just come out and say how it is.

But yes, obviously you are right the game is flawless as so many of those reviews state. Never thought I'd see a flawless game.

Ad hominem with the "genius" comment plus a strawman fallacy LOL. You are arguing against things I never said. All of the reviews are real from many different sites so what does it matter that one site is compiling them. Do you expect there to be 3-4 sites compiling the same reviews? Does that somehow validate the aggregate? LMAO They don't make up the reviews so your argument about one site compiling them is irrelevant.

Modifié par mikey3k, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:47 .

[sinosleep]

Terror_K wrote...

Just because Mass Effect 2 is a great game, doesn't mean it's a great RPG. It could probably be considered as the deepest shooter out there. It could also probably be considered to be the shallowest RPG.

It's so much deeper than the standard shooter that it's not even in the sport, much less the same ball park. I just bought Uncharted 2 on Saturday night, the game was beaten on hard before Sunday night rolled around. That's a shooter. Mass Effect 2 is much more of an rpg than you are willing to give it credit for. Your mind's made up though so why am I even bothering? I only came back to these forums cause I had a question about the DLC armor. I got tired of these "debates" last week.

Modifié par sinosleep, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:47 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

I appreciate your concerns OP but, quite honestly, if we're basing their "downfall" on your points alone, then I think it's just plain silly.

I agree with you about the custom armors. That was a poorly thought out design choice, but they have insinuated that they may be looking into the issue. Not in any way ironclad, but it's certainly better than a "We designed it that way, f**** you."

I don't really understand your gripe about the guns, as I didn't really have any issue with it, so I'll bypass that. In terms of Zaeed, I would rather receive fully functioning DLC a day or so late than download it on day 1 and have it screw something up.



And, someone else mentioned customer service being terrible. Yes. Yes it is. EVERYWHERE. It doesn't matter who you call -- Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Bioware, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Naughty Dog, Capcom, etc -- their customer service is going to suck. That's pretty much how "customer service" is defined nowadays; a crappy support number used to distract you from the real problem by making you listen to a recorded hold message until you can speak to a human who, in a completely apathetic way, tells you your screwed regardless. This is customer service. Everywhere.

[TheLepracon]

While they did make some changes, i personally think they are all improvement. The old Inventory system was cluttered at best. (ME1) The way i see it the completely streamlined the game and got rid of all the wasted time on clearing out your inventory and managing unneeded things so that we can spend more time involved with the characters and the story.



The helmet issue is valid and i feel the same way, but this is why they give you the option to remove the helmet from your character.



I can't speak to the nature of the DAo issues as i have not played through it yet.



However, i find it very very hard to argue with Bioware when in just the last 2 years they have released 3 of the highest rated and most well received RPGs in the gaming world. Not to mention the vast number of incredibly successful games they have released in previous years.

[Martukis]

There are weapons lockers scattered about in the world, so you can switch a bit more often than you might expect. The armor and lack of talking heads may be a downside, but hey, the bonuses for the full suit are pretty decent. I'd much rather have it that way than some complicated breakdown of set bonuses and individual piece bonuses.

[Surberus]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...





Like say power mapping... and weapon toggle... Oh yeah I forgot you cant weapon toggle anymore because its now a power mapping button...

 

As a heavy rpg guy, I see where you're coming from on multiple points, but hold down 'X' to toggle between your two favorite weapons.