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[leaguer of one]

Another traitor to his race. 

He was the last sane elf in the dales. If they listen to him the dales would still be under control of the elves to this day.

[leaguer of one]

Not rly war was caused by her in first place if not her lambert would handle mages and even put down rebel mages it was her who freed mages that then voted rebellion not to mention she send assassin to kill templars and free mages what was betrayal of the templar order.Conclave in first place shouldn't be about separating from chantry and another matter that mages refused to hand over person that was suspected of murder.

 

So in the end she not only freed mages endangering whole thedas but also betrayed templars making them to leave chantry.

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Dude, at this point with all the info and truth were getting now due to dai, it's clear at this point that this war was set to be coming a long ways off. Justina did not cause the war, she tried to stop it from happening. The chantry as it was is too messed up to be easily fixed. If she had more time and was a little bit more ruthless, the war would of been held back a few more years.

 

It you want to go on the point about her freeing them mages being an issue, don't ignore the fact the mages did not need to be held in the circle in the first place. The circle was only made because of how much the world was mess up by the first blight. It's been made ridiculously clear the mages don't need to be forced in to the circle. Added with the fact the abuse the chantry did on the mages and any person with good intentions in the templer order. The entire war was because the chantry and the seekers completely missed managed the mages and templers. The chantry does not no what they are doing the the seekers are horrible handlers.

Justina is not the issue, it's the entire chantry and seeker oreder.

[Heidirs]

How does that work, did he believe the Elven pantheon were lesser servants of the maker or place the elven pantheon as equals of the maker.

Either way he seems to have been extremely heretical and i'm not surprised his name got erased from history by both sides.

 

Elven belief holds that the elven gods were not creators of the world and were actually created when the world was. So it wouldn't be a contradiction to believe in both the Maker (as creator of the world) and the elven gods (as part of the world that was created).

[leaguer of one]

Justinia broke the Accord, which is the issue he's bringing up, which allowed Lambert to claim it null and void. As such, he was able to go about his duty as Lord Seeker and protect the people from mages. Whether that is right or not is debatable, but Justinia actions caused this. 

BS.

No normal folk was indanger at that time and he disobeyed her orders. He had no need to impose himself in that meeting. He tried to take down a bee hive with a blunt hammer and he got stung.

[Heidirs]

I don't hold with the accusations of Ameridan being a Mary Sue. I mean, his life ended in tragedy - he couldn't save the love of his life, his best friend never came looking for him, he became a forgotten historical figure, his concerns about potential abuses in the Inquisition (such as the right of tranquility) went unheeded, and his life ended after locking himself in time with a dragon he wasn't strong enough to defeat. A Mary Sue would have killed the dragon, married the girl, and been an important historical figure with a long known lineage. 

[Andres Hendrix]

Doing an excellent job of proving their point for them.

Oh? No I'm not.

[Andres Hendrix]

should I point out he misspelled semantics?

Should I point out that the first word in a sentance needs to be capitalized? Get over yourself.

[Steelcan]

BS.

No normal folk was indanger at that time and he disobeyed her orders. He had no need to impose himself in that meeting. He tried to take down a bee hive with a blunt hammer and he got stung.

lol I'd say its the mages who got stung the most, they're the ones losing the war, that they never could have won with outside support

[Xilizhra]

lol I'd say its the mages who got stung the most, they're the ones losing the war, that they never could have won with outside support

Well, if the mages had received no outside interference from any direction, the war would have ended by default when the templars turned red and started attacking everyone in Thedas.

[Steelcan]

Well, if the mages had received no outside interference from any direction, the war would have ended by default when the templars turned red and started attacking everyone in Thedas.

and if the templars hadn't received outside interference Cole wouldn't have killed Lambert, the Envy demon wouldn't have lured the Order to Therinfall, and this would have all been dealt with before the Conclave was needed

[Master Warder Z_]

and if the templars hadn't received outside interference Cole wouldn't have killed Lambert, the Envy demon wouldn't have lured the Order to Therinfall, and this would have all been dealt with before the Conclave was needed

As it should have.

[The Baconer]

But then the Seekers wouldn't have been sanitized.

 

I'm okay with the result as it was.

[Addai]

I don't hold with the accusations of Ameridan being a Mary Sue. I mean, his life ended in tragedy - he couldn't save the love of his life, his best friend never came looking for him, he became a forgotten historical figure, his concerns about potential abuses in the Inquisition (such as the right of tranquility) went unheeded, and his life ended after locking himself in time with a dragon he wasn't strong enough to defeat. A Mary Sue would have killed the dragon, married the girl, and been an important historical figure with a long known lineage.

Tragedy doesn't rule out a Sue. The overly perfect do-gooder who dies tragically is a pretty good fit, in fact.

Point illustrated:

He was the last sane elf in the dales. If they listen to him the dales would still be under control of the elves to this day.

[AresKeith]

Point illustrated:
 

 

The word is "if". Even if he wanted the Dales to help there's a chance they still wouldn't 

[TheKomandorShepard]

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Dude, at this point with all the info and truth were getting now due to dai, it's clear at this point that this war was set to be coming a long ways off. Justina did not cause the war, she tried to stop it from happening. The chantry as it was is too messed up to be easily fixed. If she had more time and was a little bit more ruthless, the war would of been held back a few more years.

 

It you want to go on the point about her freeing them mages being an issue, don't ignore the fact the mages did not need to be held in the circle in the first place. The circle was only made because of how much the world was mess up by the first blight. It's been made ridiculously clear the mages don't need to be forced in to the circle. Added with the fact the abuse the chantry did on the mages and any person with good intentions in the templer order. The entire war was because the chantry and the seekers completely missed managed the mages and templers. The chantry does not no what they are doing the the seekers are horrible handlers.

Justina is not the issue, it's the entire chantry and seeker oreder.

Not rly she caused war as i said lambert have won before war even started justinia freed mages that rebelled if that was her strategy to stop war she was an idiot still doesn't change fact she caused it by allowing mages to rebel
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Yes they do if you want to argue i can give you list why they do and massive list of examples why they do. And no it hasn't been made clear that mages don't need to be forced into circles it is ridiculous statement and again i can provide why they do.The war was a i said because divine freed mages if she didn't templars would restore order.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I don't hold with the accusations of Ameridan being a Mary Sue. I mean, his life ended in tragedy - he couldn't save the love of his life, his best friend never came looking for him, he became a forgotten historical figure, his concerns about potential abuses in the Inquisition (such as the right of tranquility) went unheeded, and his life ended after locking himself in time with a dragon he wasn't strong enough to defeat. A Mary Sue would have killed the dragon, married the girl, and been an important historical figure with a long known lineage. 

 

Ameridan was the Elven hero that both Thedas and the Elves deserved....

[Boost32]

I don't hold with the accusations of Ameridan being a Mary Sue. I mean, his life ended in tragedy - he couldn't save the love of his life, his best friend never came looking for him, he became a forgotten historical figure, his concerns about potential abuses in the Inquisition (such as the right of tranquility) went unheeded, and his life ended after locking himself in time with a dragon he wasn't strong enough to defeat. A Mary Sue would have killed the dragon, married the girl, and been an important historical figure with a long known lineage.

Drakon made several searchs to find him, he didn't abandon his friend.

[Uccio]

Ameridan was the Elven hero that both Thedas and the Elves deserved....

 

What the elves didn´t deserve was another shemlen ass-kisser. He should have fought for his own people, not for humans and andraste.

[TK514]

What the elves didn´t deserve was another shemlen ass-kisser. He should have fought for his own people, not for humans and andraste.

 

That's right, folks.  Diplomacy, friendship, and building cultural bridges is for chumps!

 

Much better to be asses and make sure you ****** off your more powerful neighbors, because that totally won't result in them administering a beating that you still won't have recovered from in over 700 years.

 

Oh, wait.

 

Edit:  The forum word filters here are hilarious.

[LOLandStuff]

If it weren't for a shemlen, the elves would still be slaving in Tevinter.

 

Give the guy some credit for respecting and worshiping equally  Andraste and the Creators. Because between the two, the former did a lot more for the elves than their own gods.

[leaguer of one]

and if the templars hadn't received outside interference Cole wouldn't have killed Lambert, the Envy demon wouldn't have lured the Order to Therinfall, and this would have all been dealt with before the Conclave was needed

We don't even know that Lambert would of made a difference.

[leaguer of one]

What the elves didn´t deserve was another shemlen ass-kisser. He should have fought for his own people, not for humans and andraste.

*Face palm...

Do you not understand that your kind of thinking caused the Dales to fall?

[leaguer of one]

Not rly she caused war as i said lambert have won before war even started justinia freed mages that rebelled if that was her strategy to stop war she was an idiot still doesn't change fact she caused it by allowing mages to rebel
.

 

Yes they do if you want to argue i can give you list why they do and massive list of examples why they do. And no it hasn't been made clear that mages don't need to be forced into circles it is ridiculous statement and again i can provide why they do.The war was a i said because divine freed mages if she didn't templars would restore order.

1.No. Lambet just made it worse. All he did was held all the enchanters in the meeting. You don't think that wouldn't cause an uproar in the other circle to have there leaders held hostage by templers during a peace meeting? The other circle would of risen up even if Lambert too control of the mages at the conclave. The war was still coming no matter what.

 

2. And I can point to every civilization that's non-teventor that have free mages who have not been destroyed by Abominations and mages that prove you wrong.

[leaguer of one]

Tragedy doesn't rule out a Sue. The overly perfect do-gooder who dies tragically is a pretty good fit, in fact.

Point illustrated:
 

Don't even try that.

 

You clearly don't know what a Mary sue is it you think the first inquisitor is one. Heck, you don't even know about his life enough to even start to call him one.

[Solas]

I don't hold with the accusations of Ameridan being a Mary Sue. I mean, his life ended in tragedy - he couldn't save the love of his life, his best friend never came looking for him, he became a forgotten historical figure, his concerns about potential abuses in the Inquisition (such as the right of tranquility) went unheeded, and his life ended after locking himself in time with a dragon he wasn't strong enough to defeat. A Mary Sue would have killed the dragon, married the girl, and been an important historical figure with a long known lineage. 

I agree.