*Face palm...
Do you not understand that your kind of thinking caused the Dales to fall?
Yes, and thanks to his actions Orlais was free to steamroll dales. Instead of being destroyed by the avvar god. Nice going there Ameridan, your family thanks you.
If it weren't for a shemlen, the elves would still be slaving in Tevinter.
Give the guy some credit for respecting and worshiping equally Andraste and the Creators. Because between the two, the former did a lot more for the elves than their own gods.
Why should I? The elves helped Andraste in her war (before she was betrayed, natch). I'm fine with respecting her for what she did, but that's a long way from worshiping statues of her.
*Face palm...
Do you not understand that your kind of thinking caused the Dales to fall?
The Orlesians had imperial ambitions. They were not going to let such a rich area on their borders rest outside their control. See, Ferelden.
Don't even try that.
You clearly don't know what a Mary sue is it you think the first inquisitor is one. Heck, you don't even know about his life enough to even start to call him one.
Let's see. Single-handedly saved Orlais, and would've single-handedly saved the Dales if he'd lived...
Yes, and thanks to his actions Orlais was free to steamroll dales. Instead of being destroyed by the avvar god. Nice going there Ameridan, your family thanks you.
Indeed. He's taken the side of the Chantry, protecting Orlais instead of his own people. If Ameridan stayed in Halamshiral, elves might not be treated like cattle in Orlais now. Hopefully, there would be no Orlais at all.
1.No. Lambet just made it worse. All he did was held all the enchanters in the meeting. You don't think that wouldn't cause an uproar in the other circle to have there leaders held hostage by templers during a peace meeting? The other circle would of risen up even if Lambert too control of the mages at the conclave. The war was still coming no matter what.
2. And I can point to every civilization that's non-teventor that have free mages who have not been destroyed by Abominations and mages that prove you wrong.
Not rly in first place spirit of rebels would be crushed second rebelious mages would be executed as they were on lambert mercy so there would be no one to rebel...
2. 
And i can point legion of mages tevinter or not that are prove that circles are necessary and by their very existance circle is necessity,
You really think Hakkon would have spared the Dales if he had gotten free and if he is as powerful as the Avarr claim he is...the last part is debatable...but the Dales is in between Orlais and Ferelden. Hakkon talked about destroying the lowlands not just Orlais, the Dales would have been his first target. Hakkon was a threat to everyone.
*Face palm...
Do you not understand that your kind of thinking caused the Dales to fall?
Not to derail this thread but.....
Do you not understand that Orlais was an aggressive expansionist empire that was also spreading its monotheistic religion of the one true god? And that one of its neighboring countries was full of non-human polytheistic pagans? Conflict was kinda inevitable.
And besides, during the 3rd Blight, Orlais kept to itself and refused to send aid to another country until the Grey Wardens' constant pressure forced it to do so. And during the 4th Blight, Orlais only sent a token force.
The Dales aren't the only country to look out for itself first before others.
And besides, during the 3rd Blight, Orlais kept to itself and refused to send aid to another country until the Grey Wardens' constant pressure forced it to do so. And during the 4th Blight, Orlais only sent a token force.
The Dales aren't the only country to look out for itself first before others.
I think Tevinter also did that.
I think Tevinter also did that.
Don't forget how after the Third Blight, Orlais and Tevinter both attacked and annexed Hunter Fell and Nevarra which were weakened by the Blight.
I agree with the rest of your post, entirely. However, if he didn't worship the Maker, why make a shrine to Andraste/the Maker that likely no one would ever see or know was made by him?
I think it was less of a case of Ameridan worshipping the Maker and more of him showing respect for the deity of a prophet that freed his people from centuries of slavery to Tevinter.
Ameridan lived in a time before the Exalted March on the Dales and all the enmity between humans and elves. This was the time when Elves were remembered as allies of Andrastians, people who joined Andraste in her fight against the Imperium and whose leader had a canticle in the Chant of Light.
Need I remind of the "Two Dragon Gods, one Blight" situation? And that Drakon was the one who broke through Darkspawn lines to lift the Siege of Weisshaupt which saved the Grey Wardens.
So, without Ameridan holding Hakkon, Drakon has to divert his forces south. Thus, he never pushes north into the Anderfels and the Warden Order is destroyed. Afterwards, Zazikel steamrolls over everything including the Dales.
So, he actually saved the world.
Yes, and thanks to his actions Orlais was free to steamroll dales. Instead of being destroyed by the avvar god. Nice going there Ameridan, your family thanks you.
Steam roll?
You do understand what a blight is right? It kills everyone...Human, Dwarf, Qunari, and elves. If Jaws was lose on to Orlis they would not have the power to face it and the blight. Which would mean they would fall. Added on the fact that Orlias was the one thing holding the blight from attacking Hamsheral and suddenly in the place of Dales bring taken down by the chantry years later in it's place is Hemsheral being taken down by the blight and darkspawn years earlier.
That so much better... 
Not to derail this thread but.....
Do you not understand that Orlais was an aggressive expansionist empire that was also spreading its monotheistic religion of the one true god? And that one of its neighboring countries was full of non-human polytheistic pagans? Conflict was kinda inevitable.
And besides, during the 3rd Blight, Orlais kept to itself and refused to send aid to another country until the Grey Wardens' constant pressure forced it to do so. And during the 4th Blight, Orlais only sent a token force.
The Dales aren't the only country to look out for itself first before others.
You did not play the dlc have you.
The dlc though that entire argument you just used out the window. Ameridan made it clear that Orlias and Hamsherail were under an alliance.
The rulers and there ideas of the 3rd and 4th blight are not the same as the ones during the 2nd. That like say America and England are still bitter enemies because of the war of 1812.
Not rly in first place spirit of rebels would be crushed second rebelious mages would be executed as they were on lambert mercy so there would be no one to rebel...
2.
1. No it would not. The mages are that bitter. It would only fan the flames even more. DAI already should just how bitter the mages are.
2. Write bloody english or something I can understand.
Indeed. He's taken the side of the Chantry, protecting Orlais instead of his own people. If Ameridan stayed in Halamshiral, elves might not be treated like cattle in Orlais now. Hopefully, there would be no Orlais at all.
That's a horrible narrow view. You people don't understand that Jaws popped up during the 2nd blight. If it was allowed to attack, the orlisien army would be wiped out, if they go then Hamsheral loses the one army that was keeping the darkspawn from them. If Ameridan did not hold back Jaws it would of been the darkspawn who would of ended the dales.
1. No it would not. The mages are that bitter. It would only fan the flames even more. DAI already should just how bitter the mages are.
2. Write bloody english or something I can understand.
Yes of course mages would commit mass suicide because... because.. power of love.As i said no mages leaders would be gone and rebellion was started by them and even then it wasn't unanimous so all libertarians would be dead so unless you want tell me that utter defeat on mages side would somehow motivate mages to rebel no.Not rly as i said mages were divided on whole war thing and it started only because freed by divine mages started it and even then mages were divided.
2.If you have problem with understanding something i have said twice and well simple short sentence well...
Steam roll?
You do understand what a blight is right? It kills everyone...Human, Dwarf, Qunari, and elves. If Jaws was lose on to Orlis they would not have the power to face it and the blight. Which would mean they would fall. Added on the fact that Orlias was the one thing holding the blight from attacking Hamsheral and suddenly in the place of Dales bring taken down by the chantry years later in it's place is Hemsheral being taken down by the blight and darkspawn years earlier.
That so much better...
Speculations. Things could have ended up with something totally different. Now we have the info what happened, Dales was steamrolled by Orlais. Simple as that. With that in mind Ameridan really pissed all over his people. Probably had his own family butchered because of it.
I haven't played the DLC, but if so then they're retconning their previous codex which talks about Drakon's expansionism and increasing tensions between the elves and Orlais.You did not play the dlc have you.
The dlc though that entire argument you just used out the window. Ameridan made it clear that Orlias and Hamsherail were under an alliance.
I haven't played the DLC, but if so then they're retconning their previous codex which talks about Drakon's expansionism and increasing tensions between the elves and Orlais.
And arguably with Solas and the Temple of Mythal, they've retconned what we previously knew about the elven gods. DA:I has spent a great deal of time and effort turning everything we knew about Thedas on its ear.
That was development with more complexity. This just sounds naive and silly. But for one guy's death, everything between Orlais and the Dales would be kumbayah?And arguably with Solas and the Temple of Mythal, they've retconned what we previously knew about the elven gods. DA:I has spent a great deal of time and effort turning everything we knew about Thedas on its ear.
Why should I? The elves helped Andraste in her war (before she was betrayed, natch). I'm fine with respecting her for what she did, but that's a long way from worshiping statues of her.
The Orlesians had imperial ambitions. They were not going to let such a rich area on their borders rest outside their control. See, Ferelden.
Let's see. Single-handedly saved Orlais, and would've single-handedly saved the Dales if he'd lived...
1. The dlc prove that wrong.
2.No he would not. We already it's impossible for a non-warden to stop a blight. So no he can't single handendly save the Dles form the blight.
I haven't played the DLC, but if so then they're retconning their previous codex which talks about Drakon's expansionism and increasing tensions between the elves and Orlais.
It's not a retcon. It called the truth of what happen vs what people thought happen over time.
You saying it's a retcon is like say the elves cause the fall of Arlathan and not teventor.
Sorry, but this is not a retcon. This is the truth of what happened.
I don't see how the DLC proves anything. Ameriden's view of what Drakon would do isn't set in stone fact. And I was referring to him saving them from this Hakkon dragon.1. The dlc prove that wrong.
2.No he would not. We already it's impossible for a non-warden to stop a blight. So no he can't single handendly save the Dles form the blight.
That was development with more complexity. This just sounds naive and silly. But for one guy's death, everything between Orlais and the Dales would be kumbayah?
Have played or payed attention to Dragon age? If King Maric was still around in DAO none of that mess in the game would of happen. If Celien's mom did not get Assassinated we would not have the Civil war in DAI.
It's called a Domino effect.
I don't see how the DLC proves anything. Ameriden's view of what Drakon would do isn't set in stone fact. And I was referring to him saving them from this Hakkon dragon.
Ameriden was Drakon's best friend. He would know what he would of done. They were close friend and the dlc and CHARACTER made it a point.
And Hakkon's dragon was not the sole issue. It's both it and the blight. If it was not stopped Orlis would of fallen to the blight that already started at the time. That would leave the dales open to the darkspawn invasion. If Ameriden did not do what he did then the Dales would be like the hissing waste.
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