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[MisterJB]

How did Ameridan know we were Inquisitor, anyway?

[LOLandStuff]

How did Ameridan know we were Inquisitor, anyway?

 

Probably from those crazies doing the ritual.

[Br3admax]

How did Ameridan know we were Inquisitor, anyway?

Well, you should be wearing the helmet because nostalgia. 

[Addai]

Only because Orlais was still weak and recovering from the Blight. And for all their strength, the elves still got their a***s handed to them. And during the Blight, they'd have been curb stomped by the darkspawn since they'd be on their own.

Recovering from taking over a few countries, too. Must be Drakon didn't have a bestie in the Anderfels.

[MisterJB]

I really wish we could relate everything that happened to Ameridan.

 

"A:It is good to see humans and elves have maintained their friendship.

Actually, your best friend drakon's son destroyed the Dales and elves are little better than chattel all over Thedas today.

 

A:But...I was his godfather. What about the mages? Do they still aid the Seekers?

 

Oh boy, how am I gonna explain this? They are kept isolated from society 24/7 under penalty of death or Tranquillity.

 

A:They promised me it wouldn't come to that point. What have Haron's Templars been doing?

 

They are the prison wardens.

 

A:Seekers?

 

Joined with one of the ancient Tevinter Magisters who brought the Blight upon the world in his attempt at ascension.

 

A:Elven religion?

 

Andrastianism stamped it out.

 

A:My girlfriend?

 

Broke a leg and died of starvation.

 

A:...And suddenly I welcome the sweet release of death.

[leaguer of one]

Eee what? Again not rly you don't know what you are talking about not even close that majoirty of the mages were "fed up" since fraternities voted against war until they were freed and even then votes were divided not mention fraternities were people involved in politics and they were caguht by lambert. In first place war was because freed mages as i have said voted for war.So no i don't see low rank mages that aren't involved in politics start war after demonstration how easily rebelion was crushed by templars not mention as i said libertarians were captured by lambert so there would be no one to start revolution.So no there is no chance mages would start revolution after that in first place because rebels would have been crushed if they weren't freed by divine second they were divided thrid they didn't have leaders that would start it.  

Sorry, but your wrong. DA2 and DA:Asunder made it a point the mages were tired of being under chantry control. The people vote,a select few, did not want to split from the chantry. Big difference.

[leaguer of one]

Recovering from taking over a few countries, too. Must be Drakon didn't have a bestie in the Anderfels.

He only formed Orlais and took control of the Anderfalls after the wardens gave it to him.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sorry, but your wrong. DA2 and DA:Asunder made it a point the mages were tired of being under chantry control. The people vote,a select few, did not want to split from the chantry. Big difference.

 

Da 2 never made point mages were tired being under chantry control at best few mages including anders who pushed meredith to invoke RoA and that was conflict in kirkwall .In fact whole reason why anders blew up chantry was to provoke conflict.

 

And in asunder only libertarians wanted separate from chantry until the end so nope.

[Uccio]

If he had done so, it's possible relations between the two nations would have been more amicable. Maybe he would have introduced a synthesis of Andrastianism and the elven religion which would have appeased the Chantry. 

 

Why would the elven have to appease the chantry in any way? They have their own religion.

 

I really wish we could relate everything that happened to Ameridan. *snip*

 

He had it coming, should have fought for his own people not humans.

[LOLandStuff]

His fighting for his people would've been reduced to sitting on his *** and talking **** about humans and how nasty sexy evil they are.

[MisterJB]

Why would the elven have to appease the chantry in any way? They have their own religion.

 

 

 

He had it coming, should have fought for his own people not humans.

I was not saying they should have to do it, I was saying Ameridan might have convinced them to do it which would have contributed to peace.

 

Without Drakon, the Second Blight would have destroyed Thedas, elves included.

[AresKeith]

I really wish we could relate everything that happened to Ameridan.

 

"A:It is good to see humans and elves have maintained their friendship.

Actually, your best friend drakon's son destroyed the Dales and elves are little better than chattel all over Thedas today.

 

A:But...I was his godfather. What about the mages? Do they still aid the Seekers?

 

Oh boy, how am I gonna explain this? They are kept isolated from society 24/7 under penalty of death or Tranquillity.

 

A:They promised me it wouldn't come to that point. What have Haron's Templars been doing?

 

They are the prison wardens.

 

A:Seekers?

 

Joined with one of the ancient Tevinter Magisters who brought the Blight upon the world in his attempt at ascension.

 

A:Elven religion?

 

Andrastianism stamped it out.

 

A:My girlfriend?

 

Broke a leg and died of starvation.

 

A:...And suddenly I welcome the sweet release of death.

 

Gone for over 800 years and look what happens 

[leaguer of one]

 

Da 2 never made point mages were tired being under chantry control at best few mages including anders who pushed meredith to invoke RoA and that was conflict in kirkwall .In fact whole reason why anders blew up chantry was to provoke conflict.

 

And in asunder only libertarians wanted separate from chantry until the end so nope.

Part of the 1st, 2nd and the entire  3rd act and the epilogue showed that. Try again.

 

And in Asunder only the Libertarians were public that they wanted to separate from the chantry. Everyone else said it privetly. Add on the fact People were very vocal on that in the cirle meeting Wynne showed up

[leaguer of one]

Why would the elven have to appease the chantry in any way? They have their own religion.

 

 

 

He had it coming, should have fought for his own people not humans.

1.Religion does not mean dogma. Religion has nothing to do with how he belives things. Dogma does.

 

2. Yes, he should of not helped and let the darkspawn and Jaws destroy both Orlias and the Dales.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Part of the 1st, 2nd and the entire  3rd act and the epilogue showed that. Try again.

 

And in Asunder only the Libertarians were public that they wanted to separate from the chantry. Everyone else said it privetly. Add on the fact People were very vocal on that in the cirle meeting Wynne showed up

(i have good laugh) where whole mage-templar conflict is centred on meredith and her methods not on mages wanting chantry gone in fact act 3 rebellion is against meredith not chantry as well final battle isn't result mages wanting independence only anders blowing up chantry and pushing meredith to invoke RoA what forced mages to fight.So all you are saying is nothing more than bs and pro-mage propaganda.
 

Only one mages that were in game and wanted chantry gone were anders ,resolutionists and tahrone abomnation cult .

 

Of course i bet you had privite conversations with mages and they told you that.   

[Rekkampum]

I really wish we could relate everything that happened to Ameridan.

 

"A:It is good to see humans and elves have maintained their friendship.

Actually, your best friend drakon's son destroyed the Dales and elves are little better than chattel all over Thedas today.

 

A:But...I was his godfather. What about the mages? Do they still aid the Seekers?

 

Oh boy, how am I gonna explain this? They are kept isolated from society 24/7 under penalty of death or Tranquillity.

 

A:They promised me it wouldn't come to that point. What have Haron's Templars been doing?

 

They are the prison wardens.

 

A:Seekers?

 

Joined with one of the ancient Tevinter Magisters who brought the Blight upon the world in his attempt at ascension.

 

A:Elven religion?

 

Andrastianism stamped it out.

 

A:My girlfriend?

 

Broke a leg and died of starvation.

 

A:...And suddenly I welcome the sweet release of death.

 

Well, when he asks of his lover, he figures that you're probably lying. Having Cassandra in your party also makes the exchange more interesting.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Even if he was right, I still don't see that ending well, realistically. The elves weren't going to convert, and where would that leave Drakon's plans to convert Thedas to Andrastianism? From what I see, Ameridan was a tool. Or maybe he would've tried to convert them too, given what we know of him.
 
Not going to play the DLC anytime soon. It's mainly because of the gameplay but honestly the story doesn't sound that great, either.

 

We'll just agree to disagree, then   If you've already made up your mind about Drakon and Ameridan without the DLC, I doubt playing it will change anything.

[leaguer of one]

(i have good laugh) where whole mage-templar conflict is centred on meredith and her methods not on mages wanting chantry gone in fact act 3 rebellion is against meredith not chantry as well final battle isn't result mages wanting independence only anders blowing up chantry and pushing meredith to invoke RoA what forced mages to fight.So all you are saying is nothing more than bs and pro-mage propaganda.
 

Only one mages that were in game and wanted chantry gone were anders ,resolutionists and tahrone abomnation cult .

 

Of course i bet you had privite conversations with mages and they told you that.   

 The fact they are tired of the templers in DA2 means they are tired of the chantry who manage them. And I never said all the mages want the chantry gone. I said they were fed up with their control with how they are handling things. That Means they want to leave the circle.

Your warping what I mean.

[myahele]

Harding sums it up: behind the legend is a person doing the best they can. Only to be forgotten and twisted in time.

The same will be done to the inquisition. It's already happening to the warden

[TheKomandorShepard]

 The fact they are tired of the templers in DA2 means they are tired of the chantry who manage them. And I never said all the mages want the chantry gone. I said they were fed up with their control with how they are handling things. That Means they want to leave the circle.

Your warping what I mean.

Oh god again you have no idea what you are talking about as i said mages didn't tried to remove templars , circle or chantry (and yes im talking about independence and war) in da 2 mages tried to remove meredith and that is why there were templars in their rebelion in first place.There is very few of mages being tried of templars or chantry and pretty much almost all of it comes from anders and resolutionists.Mage-templar conflict isn't even resolving about mage independence only about meredith treatment only mage that was centred on mage independence was anders and he was blamed by many mages for pushing for war to the point he had to leave after da 2.

[LobselVith8]

Bioware isn't going to change their point that modern Dalish culture isn't the goal, but something that the elves need to move forward from. That's been the plot they're hammering home since DAO.

 

Modern Dalish culture is about trying to survive on a continent where mages are hunted by templars, magic is viewed by Andrastians as a "curse", and where the Dalish are persecuted for following a religion that was criminalized by the Chantry. This is why Clan Lavellan travels between the territorial boundaries of the Free Marches - as a means to avoid being attacked by Andrastian human lords, who are too concerned about accidentally starting a war with one of their neighboring city-states to attack Clan Lavellan.

 

I don't think they need to embrace Andrastianism. I just think they have to abandon the beliefs they're clinging to and especially the fictions they're building about their people. Ameridan is just one example of one way of moving forward: joining a multinational institution that purportedly wants to advance the cause of peace.

 

You're forgetting about the Andrastian humans who are intolerant towards the Dalish for having their own religious beliefs. Perhaps if more Andrastians were more like the humans of Rivain who follow the Natural Order (given that the Dalish are supposed to have a semi-permanent colony neighboring one of the traditional Rivaini settlements), this might be more plausible pre-Herald of Andraste.

 

As it is, it took an apocalyptic cataclysm and a messianic figure (whom a plethora of Andrastian humans believed was chosen by Andraste) for a Dalish elf to gain acceptance from some Andrastian humans.

[leaguer of one]

Modern Dalish culture is about trying to survive on a continent where mages are hunted by templars, magic is viewed by Andrastians as a "curse", and where the Dalish are persecuted for following a religion that was criminalized by the Chantry. This is why Clan Lavellan travels between the territorial boundaries of the Free Marches - as a means to avoid being attacked by Andrastian human lords, who are too concerned about accidentally starting a war with one of their neighboring city-states to attack Clan Lavellan.

 

 

You're forgetting about the Andrastian humans who are intolerant towards the Dalish for having their own religious beliefs. Perhaps if more Andrastians were more like the humans of Rivain who follow the Natural Order (given that the Dalish are supposed to have a semi-permanent colony neighboring one of the traditional Rivaini settlements), this might be more plausible pre-Herald of Andraste.

 

As it is, it took an apocalyptic cataclysm and a messianic figure (whom a plethora of Andrastian humans believed was chosen by Andraste) for a Dalish elf to gain acceptance from some Andrastian humans.

Everything you posted is post 2nd blight. None of that indicates the mind set of the religion pre-2nd blight.  It was a much different time and the chantry was just forming. None of what you posted happen yet and only happen because of the bad regulation between the dalisha and orlis after the 2nd blight.

[LobselVith8]

As I said: it's an insular culture that venerates the past and cultural isolation. Where and how would we meet these Dalish heroes?

 

It's a culture of men and women who strive to maintain their religious freedom and self-governance in an inhospitable continent where elves are treated as less than people (to quote Duncan) and their religion is literally outlawed by the Chantry. As for heroes, perhaps Iloren and the Dalish fighting the darkspawn in the Anderfels during the Second Blight, the Dalish who signed the treaty with the Grey Wardens and could have helped fight the darkspawn around this time, or even the Dalish elves who have done personal, heroic deeds in the centuries following the fall of the Dales or even before the war between humans and elves? There is no reason that Dalish heroes need to be excluded from the narrative.

[Heimdall]

Why would the elven have to appease the chantry in any way? They have their own religion.
 
He had it coming, should have fought for his own people not humans.

Because the Chantry is one of the major institutions of its closests neighbor? Not just a potential enemy, but a potential ally? Having their own religion doesn't mean they shouldn't seek to live harmoniously with others, and it certainly doesn't mean they should ban other faiths like they did.

You do realize that the Dales are much closer to the Frostbacks than most of Orlais, right? That they were threatened too?

[leaguer of one]

It's a culture of men and women who strive to maintain their religious freedom and self-governance in an inhospitable continent where elves are treated as less than people (to quote Duncan) and their religion is literally outlawed by the Chantry. As for heroes, perhaps Iloren and the Dalish fighting the darkspawn in the Anderfels during the Second Blight, the Dalish who signed the treaty with the Grey Wardens and could have helped fight the darkspawn around this time, or even the Dalish elves who have done personal, heroic deeds in the centuries following the fall of the Dales or even before the war between humans and elves? There is no reason that Dalish heroes need to be excluded from the narrative.

Agein that'snot how it was like when it started. That only happen post 2nd -blight which has nothing to do with Drakon.