The Avvar deities have been mentioned in codex entries before. This one in particular we already know. Hakkon Wintersbreath is the God of War and Winter, and the son of Korth the Mountain Father.
Yes, but have they ever been "active" like the dragon gods of Imperium?
The Maker says lying is a sin.
The Chantry never lies. Ever.
Well, if you come across some intellectually dishonest academics and point them to what the Chantry is doing, they would say that the Chantry is "giving a new perspective". So you could say that they are not "lying".
He used a really interesting metaphor. Something like "different boots, but they walk the same road."How does that work, did he believe the Elven pantheon were lesser servants of the maker or place the elven pantheon as equals of the maker.
Either way he seems to have been extremely heretical and i'm not surprised his name got erased from history by both sides.
Yes, but have they ever been "active" like the dragon gods of Imperium?
Not to our knowledge, but then again we've hardly touched on the Avvar at all previously.Yes, but have they ever been "active" like the dragon gods of Imperium?
The Avvars communicate with their god, but they think almost all fade spirit are gods, if you do the templars quest, the shaman will say you killed a god made of envy who tried to usurper the Inquisitor's crown.
Wow, they sound like your typical primitive, superstitious tribals.
This DLC sounds like a bust all around. Annoying Mary Sue perfect Inquisitor, dumb Avvar and even more tedious micro-managing of combat (for PC especially).
So people are accusing Ameridan of being a Mary Sue? Well, he was an elf who worshiped whomever he desired, had a diverse party, a romance, was the friend of a major figure in history, was also a general nice guy, wielded deemed-impossible magic, and sacrificed himself to stop a demonic force from destroying Thedas.
That all reminds of me someone... can't put my finger on it.
Wow, they sound like your typical primitive, superstitious tribals.
This DLC sounds like a bust all around. Annoying Mary Sue perfect Inquisitor, dumb Avvar and even more tedious micro-managing of combat (for PC especially).
So people are accusing Ameridan of being a Mary Sue? Well, he was an elf who worshiped whomever he desired, had a diverse party, a romance, was the friend of a major figure in history, was also a general nice guy, wielded deemed-impossible magic, and sacrificed himself to stop a demonic force from destroying Thedas.
That all reminds of me someone... can't put my finger on it.
Well, yeah. Kinda making my point there.
Well, yeah. Kinda making my point there.
Did he have to butcher everyone on the way, then? Maybe Ameridan could've done a Renegade playthrough.
Ameridan: I don't identify by my slave name anymore. You will now call me Amergeddon.
So people are accusing Ameridan of being a Mary Sue? Well, he was an elf who worshiped whomever he desired, had a diverse party, a romance, was the friend of a major figure in history, was also a general nice guy, wielded deemed-impossible magic, and sacrificed himself to stop a demonic force from destroying Thedas.
That all reminds of me someone... can't put my finger on it.
I wouldn't call him an mary sue myself, but his religious beliefs are a bit ridiculous. I actually felt really sorry for him. He fought so hard and made so many sacrifices to bring order to Thedas only for the future generations to take advantage of it and completely slander his life work.
How so?I wouldn't call him an mary sue myself, but his religious beliefs are a bit ridiculous.
If you are playing a Lavellan, the parallels between Ameridan and the Inquisitor are pretty crazy:
- Dalish
- Leaders of the Inquisition
- Split between two faiths. Even if Lavellan doesn't accept their role as a herald, the majority of them still have to incorporate living in Andrastian culture into their lives.
- Had a group of close companions including a dwarf and a templar who argued a lot.
- Has a spirit companion
- Greatest enemy was a dragon with the spirit of a 'god' inside of it.
- Becomes friends with the ruler of Orlais.
- One of their famous exploits is a battle against a giant wolf.
- [ Potentially a mage. ]
- [ If you romance Solas, fell in love with a dreamer mage. ]
I could go on, but it doesn't bode well.
I wouldn't call him an mary sue myself, but his religious beliefs are a bit ridiculous. I actually felt really sorry for him. He fought so hard and made so many sacrifices to bring order to Thedas only for the future generations to take advantage of it and completely slander his life work.
That's the thing about being larger than life; it doesn't mean you seem more human. You're higher than life, farther, loftier. People don't see our Inquisitor as a person when they slay a dragon, they only see the Inquisitor. Even Scout Harding says so. Ameridan is just like our Inquisitor, but history has already passed by him. It has yet to catch up with ours.
I don't think believing in the elven gods and being Andrastian is compatible.How so?
Why ridiculous? Syncretism is pretty common. Particularly in a situation where there's no central authority to define orthodoxy.
We shouldn't impose the views of modern Thedas on the past. This is a world living in the shadow of Andraste's alliance with Shartan, rather than the Chantry's destruction of the Dales.
How so?
Because they are incompatible. The elven beliefs are utterly different from human ones. It's like an scientist believing in creationism. It simply makes no sense.
I think people need to remember that conversion doesn't happen as a one shot. There are TONS of religions in the world that are made up of a native culture [Dalish] trying to rectify a new religion. Often Christianity.
Cassandra and...uh, the religious lady that joins the Inquisition, both suggest to Lavellan that there's a place for the Maker among their gods.
Also worth noting that Ameridan is historically from clan Ghilan, who would have the strongest ties to Ghilan'nain.
Well, if you come across some intellectually dishonest academics and point them to what the Chantry is doing, they would say that the Chantry is "giving a new perspective". So you could say that they are not "lying".
It's called "An accurate re-interpretation of history".
They aren't incompatible. Gaider went on record saying as much. The elves don't believe their gods created the world. There's room for a Maker that takes no active role and a prophet. If I recall, the prayer in Ameriden's memory makes it sound like he believes the Maker raised Andraste up to the elven pantheon.Because they are incompatible. The elven beliefs are utterly different from human ones. It's like an scientist believing in creationism. It simply makes no sense.
I think people need to remember that conversion doesn't happen as a one shot. There are TONS of religions in the world that are made up of a native culture [Dalish] trying to rectify a new religion. Often Christianity.
Cassandra and...uh, the religious lady that joins the Inquisition, both suggest to Lavellan that there's a place for the Maker among their gods.
Also worth noting that Ameridan is historically from clan Ghilan, who would have the strongest ties to Ghilan'nain.
Something less illustrious than "singlehandedly saved Orlais and would have single-handedly brought peace between elves and humans" might be cool.Did he have to butcher everyone on the way, then? Maybe Ameridan could've done a Renegade playthrough.
Ameridan: I don't identify by my slave name anymore. You will now call me Amergeddon.
We have a whole game of the Inquisitor trying to reconcile themselves to being an Andrastian prophet figure. It would've been nice to see an elven character trying to reconcile doubt or faith in his own religion, instead of more of the same. More cultural distinctiveness, not less. Anyway we've got whole alienages full of Andrastian elves, as well as Garahel and Shartan as Andrastian elf heroes. It's a bit much IMO.I think people need to remember that conversion doesn't happen as a one shot. There are TONS of religions in the world that are made up of a native culture [Dalish] trying to rectify a new religion. Often Christianity.
Cassandra and...uh, the religious lady that joins the Inquisition, both suggest to Lavellan that there's a place for the Maker among their gods.
Also worth noting that Ameridan is historically from clan Ghilan, who would have the strongest ties to Ghilan'nain.
If she wanted there to be, sure.But is there room for elven gods in Cassandras pantheon?
Is there any different dialogue with a Dalish Inquisitor about... well, anything of note in this DLC? Especially if What Pride had Wrought has been completed?
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