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[TK514]

The post I was responding to was speculating that the dwarves would be forced to make peace after two months. I didn't mean to imply that they'd be able to survive indefinitely without surface trade, only that they'd be able to outlast the Chantry which would collapse without the lyrium trade. Regardless, another poster pointed out that the dwarves could also intensify their trade with Tevinter in the face of such an embargo and could similarly outlast the southern Chantry.

 

If trade with Tevinter via the deep roads were a viable solution, the Dwarven contingent wouldn't be hand-wringing at the Winter Palace.  It's been stated in several places now that Orzammar only survives due to the casteless Surface Dwarves.  They don't have the manpower to force a safe trade passage from one end of the continent to the other.

 

The inescapable situation is that the moment someone camps an army outside the front door and successfully interdicts trade, Orzammar has lost.

[The Baconer]

we all know the Maker didn't make Darkspawn, even if he does exist

 

Technically, I suppose.

 

If it did exist, it certainly made the Blight.

[Steelcan]

Technically, I suppose.

 

If it did exist, it certainly made the Blight.

nah, the Elves did

[The Baconer]

nah, the Elves did

 

In all seriousness, that is a revelation I am expecting.

[ComedicSociopathy]

nah, the Elves did

 

I wouldn't say that the "Elves did it" but their Creators are probably responsible. Would hate to see the city elves or dalish elves blamed for something that subpar gods did. 

[Bad King]

If trade with Tevinter via the deep roads were a viable solution, the Dwarven contingent wouldn't be hand-wringing at the Winter Palace.  It's been stated in several places now that Orzammar only survives due to the casteless Surface Dwarves.  They don't have the manpower to force a safe trade passage from one end of the continent to the other.

 

The inescapable situation is that the moment someone camps an army outside the front door and successfully interdicts trade, Orzammar has lost.

 

Or they simply weren't committing to a costly solution in case the civil war was resolved and they could resume as normal. In Bhelen's epilogue slide in DA:O it's suggested that, with the aid of a few reinforcements from a severely weakened Ferelden, the dwarves reclaim multiple tunnels and thaigs. Forced by necessity and backed by the Imperium (who'd be gaining a better deal), I imagine it would be quite easily for a desperate Orzammar to hold a portion of the deeproads linking it to the Imperium.

 

I wouldn't say that the "Elves did it" but their Creators are probably responsible. Would hate to see the city elves or dalish elves blamed for something that subpar gods did. 

 

Seems more likely to me that the Forgotten Ones were responsible seeing as they're linked to the Void (the original source of the Blight) and perhaps the Primeval Thaig.

[Steelcan]

I wouldn't say that the "Elves did it" but their Creators are probably responsible. Would hate to see the city elves or dalish elves blamed for something that subpar gods did. 

that's ok, i am more than content to blame the dalish for just about anything

[Xilizhra]

I wouldn't say that the "Elves did it" but their Creators are probably responsible. Would hate to see the city elves or dalish elves blamed for something that subpar gods did. 

It was quite possibly the Forgotten Ones.

[AresKeith]

I wouldn't say that the "Elves did it" but their Creators are probably responsible. Would hate to see the city elves or dalish elves blamed for something that subpar gods did. 

 

I'd say it was either actually Dumat or one of the Forgotten Ones

[Hellion Rex]

I'd say it was either actually Dumat or one of the Forgotten Ones

Well, at this point, I'd say we have a case to point fingers at Geldauran.

[Hellion Rex]

nah, the Elves did

Well, we know they had a civil war. Maybe the Blight was a weapon used by someone during the fighting?

[Steelcan]

I'd say it was either actually Dumat or one of the Forgotten Ones

I'm not convinced the Forgotten Ones aren't the Tevinter Old Gods

[Steelcan]

Well, we know they had a civil war. Maybe the Blight was a weapon used by someone during the fighting?

or a creation of one their deities...

 

Would perhaps explain the 'death' of Mythal

[AresKeith]

I'm not convinced the Forgotten Ones aren't the Tevinter Old Gods

 

Aren't there like more than 7 Forgotten Ones tho?

[Hellion Rex]

or a creation of one their deities...

 

Would perhaps explain the 'death' of Mythal

Well, I have had a theory regarding Elgarnan, particularly since Flemeth said Mythal was betrayed "as I was betrayed", which means spousal betrayal. Perhaps the Blight infected some of the deities after it's creation, and Mythal was the first casualty? Maybe people started pointing fingers after that, launching the civil war?

[Hellion Rex]

Aren't there like more than 7 Forgotten Ones tho?

Steel has a point. I've seen some stuff that hinted that there might be more than 7 "Old Gods" and that the 7 were simply the most important.

 

Perhaps the 7 Forgotten Ones that became Tevinter's deities were simply the strongest of the cast out pantheon.

[AresKeith]

Steel has a point. I've seen some stuff that hinted that there might be more than 7 "Old Gods" and that the 7 were simply the most important.

 

Perhaps the 7 Forgotten Ones that became Tevinter's deities were simply the strongest of the cast out pantheon.

 

Good point, since a lot of Tevinter came from the Ancient Elves

[Steelcan]

There is mostly likely an 8th Old God, Draconis

 

There are 8 Creators iirc, mirrored with 8 Forgotten Ones

 

and Fen'Harel in the middle

[Xilizhra]

I'm not convinced the Forgotten Ones aren't the Tevinter Old Gods

Geldauran's quote implied that he/she/it had lived in elven society, which seems like it'd be hard for an eldritch dragon god to do.

 

Also, there are only three Forgotten Ones known to anyone.

[Hellion Rex]

There is mostly likely an 8th Old God, Draconis

 

There are 8 Creators iirc, mirrored with 8 Forgotten Ones

 

and Fen'Harel in the middle

Ok, first of all I read Draconis as "Dracarys" (I'm extremely tired)

 

However, the Forgotten Ones have not been given a set number, as far I am aware. At the very least we know that there are 3 of them (cause we have their names).

[Hellion Rex]

Geldauran's quote implied that he/she/it had lived in elven society, which seems like it'd be hard for an eldritch dragon god to do.

 

Also, there are only three Forgotten Ones known to anyone.

Or, what if like Mythal (and supposedly the rest) the Forgotten Ones were simply elves who learned to shapeshift?

[Xilizhra]

Or, what if like Mythal (and supposedly the rest) the Forgotten Ones were simply elves who learned to shapeshift?

That seems improbable. The archdemons would have been able to use a lot more magic in that case, wouldn't they?

[Steelcan]

Ok, first of all I read Draconis as "Dracarys" (I'm extremely tired)

 

However, the Forgotten Ones have not been given a set number, as far I am aware. At the very least we know that there are 3 of them (cause we have their names).

I make no pretenses to absolute knowledge, but it seems plausible to me

[Hellion Rex]

That seems improbable. The archdemons would have been able to use a lot more magic in that case, wouldn't they?

Well, when they Blighted, maybe the normal rules go out the window?

 

 

And on another note, I'm still trying to puzzle out who put the damn archdemons in the ground anyways. Did Solas do it or something?

[Steelcan]

That seems improbable. The archdemons would have been able to use a lot more magic in that case, wouldn't they?

they might be a tad preoccupied with managing a horde of darkspawn and their immortality