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[Hellion Rex]

I make no pretenses to absolute knowledge, but it seems plausible to me

At this point, dude, anything's possible. Lore crafting like this is pretty much the only fun part of Dragon Age for me atm.

[Steelcan]

 

And on another note, I'm still trying to puzzle out who put the damn archdemons in the ground anyways. Did Solas do it or something?

Seems likely, he locked away the Creators past the Veil, and the Old Gods under the ground

[Hellion Rex]

From here: http://dragonage.wik...t_Elven_Writing

 

We have this:

 

"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan'nain, and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar'nan judge him."

 

For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades.

Maybe one of the Forgotten Ones?

 

Perhaps the above passage is connected to Geldauran's claim? Maybe even after he was judged by the gods?

 

Their pride will consume them, and I, forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery.

[TEWR]

On the whole Dales thing (pardon me, I'm late to the discussion), I still maintain the Elves decided to help. Aside from the Tale of Iloren, the fact that they marched their army through Orlais and ended up just outside of Montsimmard wouldn't make sense if they didn't want to help their neighbors. Why march your army through a nation that is being ravaged by the Darkspawn if you had no intention of helping?

 

What we have to remember is that Ameridan disappeared in 1:20 Divine, while the Montsimmard issue happened five years later. They could've been hotly debating the issue and going the whole nine yards in terms of their ancestral approach to debating (where it would take a LONG LONG time just to discuss one topic)

 

Oh to be sure, they didn't save Montsimmard, but I believe that from their viewpoint it seemed like Montsimmard was already lost to the Darkspawn and they didn't want to throw lives on the pyre, so to speak, for what they perceived as a futile battle. Similar to Loghain and Ostagar, but the difference being Montsimmard was capable of being saved (as had happened by someone else).

 

Moreover, for all we know the Elves did help but history didn't care to remember it. After all, look at how the Dalish boon fared despite the fact an Elf might've saved Ferelden. Alistair intimates that the Elves weren't at fault for why that went south.

[Steelcan]

If the elves had offered other military assistance its unlikely that no record of it, in either Dalish or Chantry records,would exist. Instead the elves are silent on it.

If you're resorting to conspiracy theories to explain why a historical event didn't actually happen you've gotten a bit far off the mark.

[Xilizhra]

If the elves had offered other military assistance its unlikely that no record of it, in either Dalish or Chantry records,would exist. Instead the elves are silent on it.

If you're resorting to conspiracy theories to explain why a historical event didn't actually happen you've gotten a bit far off the mark.

It's not a conspiracy theory to acknowledge that the Chantry frequently edits history.

[AresKeith]

It's not a conspiracy theory to acknowledge that the Chantry frequently edits history.

 

Note that they did it when the conflict between them and the Dales escalated 

[leaguer of one]

It's not a conspiracy theory to acknowledge that the Chantry frequently edits history.

Except for the fact even the elves stated they did not help.

[TEWR]

If the elves had offered other military assistance its unlikely that no record of it, in either Dalish or Chantry records,would exist. Instead the elves are silent on it.

If you're resorting to conspiracy theories to explain why a historical event didn't actually happen you've gotten a bit far off the mark.

 

The Exalted March on the Dales saw the Dalish knowledge they had accrued be wiped out, where even the Chantry tore down what the Elves had built there upon conquest. The lack of knowledge on the part of the Dalish side is understandable, and the Chantry does have a habit of editing history and truth.

 

 

Except for the fact even the elves stated they did not help.

 

Where was that stated?

[leaguer of one]

 

 

 

Where was that stated?

Do we have any of the elves state they did help? We also have Ameridan state the elves were foolishly thing of stay neutral during sapposive blight.

[TEWR]

Do we have any of the elves state they did help? We also have Ameridan state the elves were foolishly thing of stay neutral during sapposive blight.

 

You're the one who said the Elves stated that they didn't help, so the burden of proof is on you for that claim.

 

And yes, he said some were thinking of staying neutral. But that's the key thing, he said some of the Elves, and this thought of his was five years before the Elven army was seen outside of Montsimmard. So we have five years unaccounted for between Ameridan's disappearance and the Elven Army being seen, never mind the actual details of the entire Blight itself.

 

And that's why it makes zero sense to me for them to have remained neutral throughout the entire thing. The First Blight took 200 years to defeat, and I can't see them being so stupid as to do this. Their pride makes them do dumb things, sure, but this would make them brain-dead morons. It makes no sense for an army to march through territory that's being ravaged by the Blight if they had no intention of helping and were more concerned about their own land.

 

Orlais routinely sends their army into neighboring lands to help deal with the Blight, though they do it for political expansionism more then altruism. But the fact remains that sending your army into a nearby nation makes no sense if you're just not going to do anything and just want to watch the world burn and then turn around and go home again.

 

Do you have any idea how many resources that would waste on the part of the Elven army? That's why (well, part of the reason why really) the notion that they did nothing when their army was seen in Orlais comes off as something that would make them brain-dead, and that's why it makes no sense.

[Master Warder Z_]

But then the Seekers wouldn't have been sanitized.

I'm okay with the result as it was.

o.o they wouldn't have needed to be purged if they had won the war.

[Lady Artifice]

Note that they did it when the conflict between them and the Dales escalated 

 

Who in Thedas doesn't do it? 

[Master Warder Z_]

Who in Thedas doesn't do it?

Point goes to Arti.

Tevinter wrote off it's involvement in the blights.

The Dalish wrote off their involvement in the war that sent them reeling into oblivion.

And the Chantry has done similar things.

There are no saints in Thedas save Andraste and even she led a war to topple a empire.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Point goes to Arti.

Tevinter wrote off it's involvement in the blights.

The Dalish wrote off their involvement in the war that sent them reeling into oblivion.

And the Chantry has done similar things.

There are no saints in Thedas save Andraste and even she led a war to topple a empire.

 

This is true in real life. There is no golden ages. There are no sages or angels or paragon of perfection. Everyone and every group has done some shite at some point. 

[Heimdall]

I can't see them being so stupid as to do this.

I can

[leaguer of one]

I can

*Looks at 5th blight.

 

Yep, they can be "that" dumb.

[The Baconer]

o.o they wouldn't have needed to be purged if they had won the war.

 

They would need a purging especially in the event that they won the war. The Seekers were overhyped, unqualified trash who only served as a danger to the people of Thedas, and their own Templar comrades.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

They would need a purging especially in the event that they won the war. The Seekers were overhyped, unqualified trash who only served as a danger to the people of Thedas, and their own Templar comrades.

this. It's pretty abundantly clear that the seekers were corrupt. Their near to total destruction was necessary

[Steelcan]

 

And yes, he said some were thinking of staying neutral. But that's the key thing, he said some of the Elves, and this thought of his was five years before the Elven army was seen outside of Montsimmard. So we have five years unaccounted for between Ameridan's disappearance and the Elven Army being seen, never mind the actual details of the entire Blight itself.

 

And that's why it makes zero sense to me for them to have remained neutral throughout the entire thing. The First Blight took 200 years to defeat, and I can't see them being so stupid as to do this. Their pride makes them do dumb things, sure, but this would make them brain-dead morons. It makes no sense for an army to march through territory that's being ravaged by the Blight if they had no intention of helping and were more concerned about their own land.

Well I certainly can, its definitely in character for the Elven state to ignore the issues outside its borders, and they were never friendly with Orlais. 

 

Throw in the lack of any elven counter to this accusation, and I think its safe to say that we are supposed to believe this.

[Steelcan]

They would need a purging especially in the event that they won the war. The Seekers were overhyped, unqualified trash who only served as a danger to the people of Thedas, and their own Templar comrades.

well the majority of the Seekers it seems didn't get to that, they were lured in by the Lord Seeker, not part of the Red Templars

[The Baconer]

well the majority of the Seekers it seems didn't get to that, they were lured in by the Lord Seeker, not part of the Red Templars

 

Between Kirkwall and Lambert botching his own cover-up, they were a danger to Thedas before the war even started. Then there was Dairsmuid, and Lucius.

[Master Warder Z_]

Between Kirkwall and Lambert botching his own cover-up, they were a danger to Thedas before the war even started. Then there was Dairsmuid, and Lucius.

God Rivain again.

IT.NEEDED.TO.HAPPEN.

[ComedicSociopathy]

God Rivain again.

IT.NEEDED.TO.HAPPEN.

 

Why?

 

They've apparently been safety practicing their unique rituals for spirit interaction for generations without rampaging abominations killing anyone. If anything shouldn't the Circle of Magi research these benign abominations so they can better understand possession and perhaps even find a way to exorcise demons without killing mage hosts. The same can be side about the Avvar and their magical practices. 

[The Baconer]

God Rivain again.

IT.NEEDED.TO.HAPPEN.

 

According to the Seekers, conveniently after the Accord was ended. And, as we have learned, there is no reason to trust the Seekers.