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[Hellion Rex]

I imagine that Tevinter has better stores of lore and knowledge of magic

Exactly. They just don't desire to share their research with Southern Thedas.

[leaguer of one]

Pacifism? How quaint.

Sheep need a Shepard.

The opposite of war is not peace...(NSFW)

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[leaguer of one]

Everywhere except Tevinter, at least. I would not be surprised if they knew this type of stuff as well

 

 

I imagine that Tevinter has better stores of lore and knowledge of magic

You guys need to do the cultural exchange quest the new dlc bring up on the war table....

 

Shows how much Tevinter knows.

[Steelcan]

You guys need to do the cultural exchange quest the new dlc bring up on the war table....

 

Shows how much Tevinter knows.

yes I'm sure they want to sell their lore and knowledge to White Thedas

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

Shows how much Tevinter knows.

"Dear Lady Montilyet,

Sigrid Guldsdotten was a delight! Such a fresh perspective! True, the evening threatened to go poorly when the Avvar mage and Magister Verixsus bickered over the proper use of spirit-bindings, but she brought down the house during a practical demonstration of spheric-energy projections! (Both figuratively and very nearly literally. Quite invigorating!) I cannot tell you how gratifying it was to see all the old goats from the Fereldan Circles outdone by an Avvar. We must have her back. Also, I believe Verixsus invited her to his summer villa."

 

Ummmm, where does it hint that Tevinter mages don't know how to do similar magic? Granted, the Avvar tradition is more shamanistic in nature, but that war table mission doesn't say that Tevinter doesn't know how to do similar things.

[Bad King]

it is whoever indicative of being primitive, forgive me if I do not think that I should live my life according to the beliefs of Amazonian tribes

 

'Primitive' assumes that the Avvar somehow represent a more backward stage of Thedasian development (on an objective scale - which is very problematic when discussing societies), and based on how refined their conception of spirits is, that's not true. Also, many members of Amazonian tribes probably live better lives than the poorest people in nearby Brazilian metropolises, though it's the Avvar and Thedasian societies we're discussing here rather than real world examples.

[leaguer of one]

"Dear Lady Montilyet,

Sigrid Guldsdotten was a delight! Such a fresh perspective! True, the evening threatened to go poorly when the Avvar mage and Magister Verixsus bickered over the proper use of spirit-bindings, but she brought down the house during a practical demonstration of spheric-energy projections! (Both figuratively and very nearly literally. Quite invigorating!) I cannot tell you how gratifying it was to see all the old goats from the Fereldan Circles outdone by an Avvar. We must have her back. Also, I believe Verixsus invited her to his summer villa."

 

Ummmm, where does it hint that Tevinter mages don't know how to do similar magic? Granted, the Avvar tradition is more shamanistic in nature, but that war table mission doesn't say that Tevinter doesn't know how to do similar things.

"True, the evening threatened to go poorly when the Avvar mage and Magister Verixsus bickered over the proper use of spirit-bindings, but she brought down the house during a practical demonstration of spheric-energy projections! (Both figuratively and very nearly literally. Quite invigorating!)"

 

She showed up a magister on spirit control. Tevintor mages are the experts at that and she shown them up.

[The Baconer]

"True, the evening threatened to go poorly when the Avvar mage and Magister Verixsus bickered over the proper use of spirit-bindings, but she brought down the house during a practical demonstration of spheric-energy projections! (Both figuratively and very nearly literally. Quite invigorating!)"

 

She showed up a magister on spirit control. Tevintor mages are the experts at that and she shown them up.

 

I don't see any indication that the spirit-bindings and "spheric-energy projections" were linked.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't see any indication that the spirit-bindings and "spheric-energy projections" were linked.

Quite. If it had said that she brought the house down on spirit-bindings, then I'd concede the point.

[Master Warder Z_]

Quite. If it had said that she brought the house down on spirit-bindings, then I'd concede the point.

As I said.

****** savages.

[Drasanil]

"True, the evening threatened to go poorly when the Avvar mage and Magister Verixsus bickered over the proper use of spirit-bindings, but she brought down the house during a practical demonstration of spheric-energy projections! (Both figuratively and very nearly literally. Quite invigorating!)"

 

She showed up a magister on spirit control. Tevintor mages are the experts at that and she shown them up.

 

Very nearly bring down the house on her own heard implies a decided lack of control as opposed to an abundance thereof.

 

That it also happened to entertain the party-goers is incidental. 

[Hellion Rex]

As I said.

****** savages.

You done?

[Master Warder Z_]

You done?

._. What.

[leaguer of one]

As I said.

****** savages.

Funny how they are doing a better job at mage and spirit control then all of thedus.

[Master Warder Z_]

Its Thedas thank you.

And no, they really aren't.

[Insaner Robot]

I'm tired and where I am it's now so late it's early. So I'll cheat and copy and paste from the wiki, rather than write this out myself.

 

 

 

In Jaws of Hakkon, it is revealed that the Avvar call these shamans augurs. Only one mage is chosen to be the augur. The augur's role is to give council to other mages and the thane. In turn, an augur takes council from the spirits they deem gods and shares it with the hold. The augur makes the clan's will known to the spirits and the spirits' will to the clan. By appeasing their spirit gods with rituals, the spirits in turn protect their hold and drive off spirits gone bad with rage or gloom. The augur also spots those who draw bad spirits and councils the thane how to deal with the matter.

The augur allow their apprentices to be possessed by a summoned Spirit and the spirit teaches the mage how to control their magic with patience and kindness. When the teaching is done, the mage must then release the spirit through a ritual that involves burning an offering and casting a taxing spell that usually requires a vial of lyrium to replenish one's strength. If the ritual is not done then the abomination is to be exiled. Weak mages unable to control their magic remain possessed and the Avvars' spirit gods watches them both so neither soul becomes corrupted. If the abomination becomes corrupted or the mage stands at risk of harming the hold, then one day the abomination simply dies in their sleep.

 

It's an accurate description of the Avvar relationship with spirits. And it doesn't seem to be control, rather cooperation. The Avvar's aligned spirits deal with abominations not the Avvar themselves.

 

So rather than solving the abomination problem they found a method that works on a tribal scale. However it most likely wouldn't work on a continental scale, due to the fact that most relatively benign spirits want little to do with the physical world (as stated by Justice in awakening).

[TEWR]

A Tevinter Magister was thoroughly impressed by her use of magic and knowledge of arcane principles that he invited her to his villa. The Fereldan Circle Mages were outclassed by her, shown up.

 

I'd say the Avvar have things well in hand if Tevinter Magisters respect them and Circle Mages pale in comparison to them.

[Master Warder Z_]

Savages.

[Addai]

So rather than solving the abomination problem they found a method that works on a tribal scale. However it most likely wouldn't work on a continental scale, due to the fact that most relatively benign spirits want little to do with the physical world (as stated by Justice in awakening).

It wouldn't work on a Thedas scale because the ruling philosophy has taught people to fear and hate spirits. As Solas says, spirits become as people expect them to become. They're warped by the expectation that they're evil and the fear and ambition that breeds in people, which further reinforces the ideas that they're evil and mages are dangerous and need to be controlled by people who like controlling things. And around the Circle goes.

[Steelcan]

It wouldn't work on a Thedas scale because the ruling philosophy has taught people to fear and hate spirits. As Solas says, spirits become as people expect them to become. They're warped by the expectation that they're evil and the fear and ambition that breeds in people, which further reinforces the ideas that they're evil and mages are dangerous and need to be controlled by people who like controlling things. And around the Circle goes.

. He says that, but it doesn't always hold up. No amount of belief is gonna change the demons who come pouring out of rifts

[Steelcan]

'Primitive' assumes that the Avvar somehow represent a more backward stage of Thedasian development (on an objective scale - which is very problematic when discussing societies), and based on how refined their conception of spirits is, that's not true. Also, many members of Amazonian tribes probably live better lives than the poorest people in nearby Brazilian metropolises, though it's the Avvar and Thedasian societies we're discussing here rather than real world examples.

. Forgive me if for thinking a bunch of mountain barbarians are well, barbarians.

[Addai]

. He says that, but it doesn't always hold up. No amount of belief is gonna change the demons who come pouring out of rifts

We know demons can be turned back into benevolent spirits. Anyway, I never said that there is no such thing as demons, just that there are better ways of dealing with spirits than reflexive fear and hatred.

 

. Forgive me if for thinking a bunch of mountain barbarians are well, barbarians.

A meaningless word used by the "civilized" to support ethnocentrism.

[Steelcan]

We know demons can be turned back into benevolent spirits. Anyway, I never said that there is no such thing as demons, just that there are better ways of dealing with spirits than reflexive fear and hatred.

 

A meaningless word used by the "civilized" to support ethnocentrism.

Only under certain circumstances it seems

 

Shall I speak to the primitive state of their legal system?  Their lack of long distance trade (that can be somewhat remedied through a war table mission), little to no central authority, no real evidence of agriculture or anything beyond subsistence hunting and gathering, no real stratification of society, not sure if they have a written langauge.

 

I'll ignore more western-centric models for civilization such as monumental architecture, conquest, and such

[Master Warder Z_]

Pfft defending the savages.

All of this has really done is reveal why Thedas needs an occasional purge.

Societies just get the strangest notions if you let them.

[AresKeith]

You done?

 

He's never done being crazy