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[AresKeith]

Has anyone come across all the memories of Ameridans?
His party consisted of

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An elven Dreamer
A dwarven alchemist
A hunter who used lyrium against demons

Ameridan describes that the dreamer and the proto-templar had argued over the use of lyrium against demons.

Also from convo with Cassandra it would seem that

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Seekers worked with mages in fighting maleficar and demons.
It also makes sense due to a certain part of the process of becoming a seeker that there would be a need for a mage.

 

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He had his very own Dragon Age squad

[Mims]

Is there any different dialogue with a Dalish Inquisitor about... well, anything of note in this DLC? Especially if What Pride had Wrought has been completed?

 

From what I remember, the Augur notes if you have drank from the well of sorrows. And when you talk to Ameridan, he greets you in elvish and you can inform him of how his friend's son screwed over their people. 

 

Sun-Hair also compares their gods to the elven gods. But claims that the elven gods have abandoned the Dalish. 

 

So, not a ton, but enough to still be interesting. I'd say the DLC has a lot of eerie callbacks if you are a Lavellan Inquisitor. 

[Xilizhra]

From what I remember, the Augur notes if you have drank from the well of sorrows. And when you talk to Ameridan, he greets you in elvish and you can inform him of how his friend's son screwed over their people. 

 

Sun-Hair also compares their gods to the elven gods. But claims that the elven gods have abandoned the Dalish. 

 

So, not a ton, but enough to still be interesting. I'd say the DLC has a lot of eerie callbacks if you are a Lavellan Inquisitor. 

Argh. Playing as an elf in this game is far too depressing; practically all exclusive content is related to lost glory, broken promises, and godly betrayal. The only thing that gives me some degree of hope is the possibility of joining Solas in whatever his master plan is.

[Heimdall]

Argh. Playing as an elf in this game is far too depressing; practically all exclusive content is related to lost glory, broken promises, and godly betrayal. The only thing that gives me some degree of hope is the possibility of joining Solas in whatever his master plan is.

I actually have a sort of morbid fascination with doomed characters and romances. That's why I like playing an elf in this game so much.

[Xilizhra]

I actually have a sort of morbid fascination with doomed characters and romances. That's why I like playing an elf in this game so much.

I hate it with a burning passion, so I find their implementation of elves in this game loathsome.

[AresKeith]

I actually have a sort of morbid fascination with doomed characters and romances. That's why I like playing an elf in this game so much.

 

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Found it amusing that if he didn't die there, the issues between Elves and Orlais probably wouldn't be as bad as it is now

[The Baconer]

An elven mage was the last leader of an organization that would later become the piece-of-shite Seekers.
 

I don't know how to feel about this.

[jlb524]

This info will make Divine Leliana's job easier at least.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

An elven mage was the last leader of an organization that would later become the piece-of-shite Seekers.
 

I don't know how to feel about this.

 

 

This info will make Divine Leliana's job easier at least.

 

Which is why Cassandra reform of the Seekers is needed and why Leliana needs to be the Divine. 

 

The original proto-Chantry, the Andrastian rebellion, the original Inquisition, the original Seekers of Truth...They all had good intentions, they had cooperation and acceptance of different races and faiths...

 

Cassandra being a Seeker reformer and Leliana as a progressive Divine will set Thedas on that path once more. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

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Found it amusing that if he didn't die there, the issues between Elves and Orlais probably wouldn't be as bad as it is now

 

On the surface this might be true but if there is one thing I have learned from being a fan of the Flash from DC, it is that when you actively try to avoid one tragedy, time will always find a way to replace it with another tragedy. Bottom line, shite will always happen somehow. In fact, history is the study of lots of shite and some good happening because it was inevitable and natural. 

 

Ameridan stated point blank that he could not defeat Hakkon. He had resources, backup but the Avvar wiped them out. He could not request for more because he was cut off. His party members were not there to support him. Which meant Ameridan faced Hakkon in a one-on-one battle. Our Inquisitor that we play did not face Hakkon with such odds stacked against him or her. If our Inquisitor did, I am sure he or she would have died too. 

 

So the alternative option was to never attack Hakkon anyway but that would have resulted in the Jaws of Hakkon and Hakkon coming to the lowlands, attacking and laying waste or Orlais, perhaps even the Dales at the time. Then these Avvar conquerors would have had to deal with the Second Blight which was coming and probably be wiped out because Hakkon is in all likelihood not as powerful as an Archdemon.

 

That's the tragic part of Ameridan's tale. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. 

[Master Warder Z_]

o.o I'd feed Leliana to the Dragon.

[Br3admax]

The original proto-Chantry, the Andrastian rebellion, the original Inquisition, the original Seekers of Truth...They all had good intentions, they had cooperation and acceptance of different races and faiths...

 

Sure, right after killing people on vigilante rampages and "doing what must be done." Inquisition sucked, Chantry sucked, Elves sucked, and everyone was terrible. The fact that elves and dwarves joined in on the carnage doesn't really make this better. 

[The Baconer]

Sure, right after killing people on vigilante rampages and "doing what must be done." Inquisition sucked, Chantry sucked, Elves sucked, and everyone was terrible.

 

So is this another revelation from the DLC?

 

Feeling better and better each day for telling Cass to let the Seekers be forgotten.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So is this another revelation from the DLC?

 

Feeling better and better each day for telling Cass to let the Seekers be forgotten.

Not really. I think it was common knowledge based on codexes and such that the original inquisition apparently terrorized mages everywhere.

[myahele]

No no. The Avvar never worshipped dragons specifically. However, the Avvar did summon one of their gods to possess a dragon in the past, which is what you face in the DLC.

By using "lowland" methods. 

[Hellion Rex]

Not really. I think it was common knowledge based on codexes and such that the original inquisition apparently terrorized mages everywhere.

Except that they kinda didn't...at least not when Ameridan was running the show. Though after he disappeared might be a different story.

[Boost32]

So is this another revelation from the DLC?

 

Feeling better and better each day for telling Cass to let the Seekers be forgotten.

No, its not.

[The Baconer]

No, its not.

 

Ah, I see.

 

Still, my opinion of the Seekers remains the same.

[thats1evildude]

Another traitor to his race. 

 

Yeah, because the Creators were such awesome, benevolent gods. *Rolls eyes*

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Except that they kinda didn't...at least not when Ameridan was running the show. Though after he disappeared might be a different story.

 

Yes. From the revelations, it seems that the Inquisition during Ameridan time was in fact trying their damndest to maintain peace without compromising too much.

 

You heard his words and his memories :- "Seekers were good men and women in difficult times. Mages were employed as Seekers. Elves of Halamshiral must stand united with Drakon against the Darkspawn, if not everything they have worked for will be for naught."

 

This does not bode well to what might happen when our Inquisitor goes away, gets stuck in time, dies. 

 

It seems that history, both in fantasy and reality has this tendency where collectives and societies tend to lose their way, their path and their vision once the remarkable leader dies...

[Jaison1986]

Yes. From the revelations, it seems that the Inquisition during Ameridan time was in fact trying their damndest to maintain peace without compromising too much.

 

You heard his words and his memories :- "Seekers were good men and women in difficult times. Mages were employed as Seekers. Elves of Halamshiral must stand united with Drakon against the Darkspawn, if not everything they have worked for will be for naught."

 

This does not bode well to what might happen when our Inquisitor goes away, gets stuck in time, dies. 

 

It seems that history, both in fantasy and reality has this tendency where collectives and societies tend to lose their way, their path and their vision once the remarkable leader dies...

 

That's what I think. I had an Inquisitor that like Ameridan, was an mage, and did all he could to make the world an better place for them. But honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if future mages one day forget about all the sacrifices made for their kind, and turn against all the ideals that the Inquisitor had at the time. It's... really bleak when you think about it.

[Todrazok]

It's a nice revelation, makes me want my Qunari Inquisitor to have a dwarven successor

[thesuperdarkone2]

I wonder when is the next forgotten hero going to be a dwarf? We already have two canon elf heroes now so give dwarves some love!

[TK514]

Except that they kinda didn't...at least not when Ameridan was running the show. Though after he disappeared might be a different story.

 

The ones we learn about in DA:O totally did.  They were specifically called out in the relevant codex entries as an extremely anti-mage vigilante group.  It wasn't until DA 2 that the writers decided to start softening their image into the 'neutral arbiters of all things magical' that they became in time for DA:I.

 

And all this elf lore hate.  People whine for years that there isn't enough elf lore, and now that we've got a game where half the game is overflowing with elven info, people are still complaining.  On top of that, we've got at least one more elf-focused chunk of content coming when we have to stop Solas from screwing up again.  So what's the problem?  Surprised that BioWare didn't buy into the fanfiction that elves were objectively superior to all the other races in every way until they became poor, innocent victims?  That was never going to happen.  It would have made them completely helpless and irredeemable.

[Addai]

And all this elf lore hate.  People whine for years that there isn't enough elf lore, and now that we've got a game where half the game is overflowing with elven info, people are still complaining. 

What elf lore is in the DLC, apart from the Geldauran stuff?