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[MoonDrummer]

Ok, that's a little more irritating.

How? It seems like a perfectly fair thing to do.

[Xilizhra]

Ok, that's a little more irritating.

Everything they gained based off of a false familial connection was stolen from the Dalish.

[Hellion Rex]

How? It seems like a perfectly fair thing to do.

It's just the asking for money that bugs me, despite my understanding of their desire for reparations.

[MisterJB]

Did you tell the truth about him?

No.

My reasoning is that there was no point in upsetting powerful Orlesian families for the sake of elven pride who can't do much for the Inquisition.

Then have said powerful families keep buying my silence.

 

One thousand years from now, there will be an elven revolutionary who will discover how the First Inquisitor was an elf and the Second Inquisitor covered it and will blow up Skyhold.

It will be a great game.
 

[thetinyevil]

He helped the Seekers track down Maleficars, he probably wouldn't be against the idea but maybe how it was now

 

Like how he would've rallied the Dalish to help against the Blight which probably would've made things different with the Dalish now

Just because all maleficar are mages doesn't mean all mages are maleficar. Also the Dalish are modeled elves of the Dales which means they didn't lock up their mages. So I don't think he would agree with the circles. But that is just a theory, since he died before he we could really talk to him we won't know.

[MisterJB]

It's just the asking for money that bugs me, despite my understanding of their desire for reparations.

 

It's perfectly understandable.

It will also only lead to further resentment and it won't be the last time they'll try to profit from it.
 

[MisterJB]

You do realize he likely would have been against the Circles and more then likly wanted mages to have real freedom. Since he was married and probably had children. 

So?

The Warden in my avatar is Morrigan's partner and Kieran's father.

 

 

[thetinyevil]

So?

The Warden in my avatar is Morrigan's partner and Kieran's father.

Free mages that's why. You are always saying mages can't be free. So make up your mind. All mages should be free or all mags should be in chains and obey the commands of the mundane. Which is it?

[The Baconer]

No.

My reasoning is that there was no point in upsetting powerful Orlesian families for the sake of elven pride who can't do much for the Inquisition.

Then have said powerful families keep buying my silence.

 

One thousand years from now, there will be an elven revolutionary who will discover how the First Inquisitor was an elf and the Second Inquisitor covered it and will blow up Skyhold.

It will be a great game.

 

I would rather remind them where their place is with me. 

 

I just put a mage up in their Chantry, who is going to rely on the Inquisition heavily for support in the inevitable rebellions. It would be unfortunate if said families happen to pick the wrong side. 

[MisterJB]

Free mages that's why. You are always saying mages can't be free. So make up your mind. All mages should be free or all mags should be in chains and obey the commands of the mundane. Which is it?

 

Neither.

 

[AresKeith]

Just because all maleficar are mages doesn't mean all mages are maleficar. Also the Dalish are modeled elves of the Dales which means they didn't lock up their mages. So I don't think he would agree with the circles. But that is just a theory, since he died before he we could really talk to him we won't know.

 

Which is why I said he probably wouldn't be against the idea of it

[Hellion Rex]

Free mages that's why. You are always saying mages can't be free. So make up your mind. All mages should be free or all mags should be in chains and obey the commands of the mundane. Which is it?

Why must it be one or the other though? The situation is not so simple as to only have two possible options.

[thetinyevil]

Neither.

 

How? I don't ever remember you saying anything beyond mages needed to be locked away until they are need to make something bad go away then to be put back in some deep dark whole until they are needed again. Unless you want to make all mages tranquil that is the only way it can be neither since then they wouldn't be mages anymore just walking talking furniture.

[thetinyevil]

Why must it be one or the other though? The situation is not so simple as to only have two possible options.

Well there is a third. The Tranquil Solution. 

[Xilizhra]

It's perfectly understandable.

It will also only lead to further resentment and it won't be the last time they'll try to profit from it.
 

Covering it up won't lead to less resentment between the societies as a whole, however, and the jerks who were responsible for the fraud in the first place probably wouldn't be on the front lines of reconciliation efforts anyway. The rivals of these people, in any case, might see opportunities open to be a bit friendlier with the Dalish, and things can be built on from there.

[MisterJB]

How? I don't ever remember you saying anything beyond mages needed to be locked away until they are need to make something bad go away then to be put back in some deep dark whole until they are needed again. Unless you want to make all mages tranquil that is the only way it can be neither since then they wouldn't be mages anymore just walking talking furniture.

First, it's a game. Meaning, I can be Pro-Templar and still have some of my favorite characters be mages. Even if it wasn't, there is nothing saying that individual normals and mages can't get along. One of Ameridan's companions was one of the very first Templars.

 

 

Second, why do Circle have to be deep, dark holes where people are shoved it and obey orders?

And why does freedom have to mean irresponsably endagering others?

 

Middle ground, if you please.

 

[Jaison1986]

First, it's a game. Meaning, I can be Pro-Templar and still have some of my favorite characters be mages. Even if it wasn't, there is nothing saying that individual normals and mages can't get along. One of Ameridan's companions was one of the very first Templars.

 

 

Second, why do Circle have to be deep, dark holes where people are shoved it and obey orders?

And why does freedom have to mean irresponsably endagering others?

 

Middle ground, if you please.

 

Middle grounds are bad, because they last very little. Do extremes last forever? No, absolutely not. But the Chantry was one extreme that lasted for a millenium. I suspect it will be similar to divine Leliana or Vivienne. But Cassandra is a middle ground, and honestly, I believe all her changes will die with her. It will be very easy to change things back to the same flawed self once Cassandra is gone. Middle ground to me is nothing but stagnation.

[thetinyevil]

First, it's a game. Meaning, I can be Pro-Templar and still have some of my favorite characters be mages. Even if it wasn't, there is nothing saying that individual normals and mages can't get along. One of Ameridan's companions was one of the very first Templars.

 

 

Second, why do Circle have to be deep, dark holes where people are shoved it and obey orders?

And why does freedom have to mean irresponsably endagering others?

 

Middle ground, if you please.

Yes one of Ameridan's companions was the very first templar, but he wasn't a jailer there to kill Ameridan and his lover if the breath wrong. He was their friend and they his equals. And Circles are deep dark holes where mages are shoved and made to obey orders. 

 

And freedom doesn't mean irresponsibly endangering others. As longs as mages are trained properly and not told that the Maker hates them for being mages every second of every day when they manifest their powers.

 

But I have never seen you say middle ground. I really haven't. You want mages locked away until they are needed then put back once they are done. 

[MisterJB]

*sigh*

 

Sure, whatever. Templars kill mages if "the breath wrong". Why not?

[Call Me Jord]

*sigh*

 

Sure, whatever. Templars kill mages if "the breath wrong". Why not?

 

Don't forget to not sneeze.

 

Sneezing is the biggest indication of a Blood Magic User.

[Jaison1986]

*sigh*

 

Sure, whatever. Templars kill mages if "the breath wrong". Why not?

 

I'm pretty sure that when they killed Cole the only thing he did was breath.

[thetinyevil]

 

 

Sure, Templars kill mages if "the breath wrong". 

I'm glad you are finally admitting it.

[MisterJB]

I'm pretty sure that when they killed Cole the only thing he did was breath.

They didn't kill him for breathing nor did they kill him for anything at all. They unitentionally caused his death, there is a difference.

 

And he had killed his dad. Self defense but it proved he was dangerous.

 

[Lady Artifice]

"Middle grounds are bad." 

 

In general, I really dislike extremism. 

[Boost32]

I'm pretty sure that when they killed Cole the only thing he did was breath.

They didn't killed Cole, the templar from his quest wrote criminal mage instead of mage on observation on his file, because of this he was forgotten and left to die.
He was very incompetent.